17:01:46 <kushal> #startmeeting Fedora Cloud WG 17:01:46 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 13 17:01:46 2016 UTC. The chair is kushal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:46 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:46 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_cloud_wg' 17:01:50 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe 17:01:52 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dustymabe@redhat.com> 17:01:55 <kushal> #topic Roll Call 17:01:56 <dustymabe> adimania: good to see you!! 17:02:03 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal 17:02:04 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in> 17:02:04 <rtnpro> .fas rtnpro 17:02:07 <tflink> .hellomynameis tflink 17:02:07 <zodbot> rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' <rtnpro@gmail.com> 17:02:07 <jbrooks> .hello jasonbrooks 17:02:09 <zodbot> tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' <tflink@redhat.com> 17:02:10 <sayan> .fas sayanchowdhury 17:02:12 <trishnag> .hellomynameis trishnag 17:02:12 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM> 17:02:15 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com> 17:02:17 <adimania> .fas adimania 17:02:18 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com> 17:02:20 <zodbot> adimania: adimania 'Aditya Patawari' <adimania@gmail.com> 17:02:22 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion 17:02:23 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com> 17:02:25 <adimania> dustymabe, good to see you too. :) 17:03:04 <kushal> #chair dustymabe adamw rtnpro tflink jbrooks sayan trishnag maxamillion 17:03:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw dustymabe jbrooks kushal maxamillion rtnpro sayan tflink trishnag 17:03:12 <kushal> jzb, sent his regards. 17:03:33 <kushal> Anyone else? 17:03:44 <kushal> #topic Action items from last meeting 17:03:45 <praveenkumar> .fas kumarpraveen 17:03:46 <zodbot> praveenkumar: kumarpraveen '' <kumarpraveen.nitdgp@gmail.com> 17:03:57 <kushal> * jzb will update #135 on Fedora 23 retrospective 17:03:57 <kushal> * kushal will update #121 with a alarm in Feb 17:03:57 <kushal> * Kushal will update #136 and drop a mail to the list 17:03:57 <kushal> * Kushal to update networkd ticket 17:04:01 <kushal> #chair praveenkumar 17:04:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw dustymabe jbrooks kushal maxamillion praveenkumar rtnpro sayan tflink trishnag 17:04:14 <kushal> I hope I have updated all the tickets 17:04:22 <kushal> s/136/138 17:04:50 <kushal> I will talk to rel-eng today,and pass the details for a tree which we can release as updated base image 17:05:14 <kushal> Any questions/ 17:05:15 <kushal> ? 17:05:32 <kushal> Moving to tickets then. 17:05:44 <kushal> #topic Fedora Cloud FAD (late 2015/early 2016) https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/115 17:06:13 <kushal> Anyone heard anything from the server wg? 17:06:50 <dustymabe> kushal: I asked mhayden to bring it up 17:06:57 <dustymabe> have not heard back from him on whether he did or not 17:07:07 <tflink> it came up during a server wg meeting 17:07:15 <dustymabe> tflink: :) 17:07:17 <dustymabe> yay 17:07:19 * tflink doesn't recall what came of it, though 17:07:30 <kushal> tflink, Thanks for the info :) 17:07:41 <kushal> Now we have to keep asking them for updates :) 17:07:47 <dustymabe> so, once I get in touch with mhayden I'll update the tickets 17:07:55 <kushal> dustymabe, Cool 17:08:08 <kushal> #action dustymabe to update #115 after talking to mhayden 17:08:20 <tflink> crap, I thought we were on a different ticket 17:08:31 <tflink> nevermind, I don't know if this was brought up or not 17:08:37 <dustymabe> tflink: ok 17:08:37 <kushal> Oh 17:08:41 <kushal> no problem :) 17:08:50 <kushal> #topic vagrant boxes fixups https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/136 17:09:17 * imcleod will be in and out a bit but will try to read backchat 17:09:19 <kushal> dustymabe, anything on this? 17:09:29 <dustymabe> so for this ticket we would need someone with knowledge of rel-eng + vagrant + image creation 17:09:37 <kushal> dustymabe, if you want, I can try this. 17:09:41 <dustymabe> someone like maxamillion or imcleod would be best (or possibly myself) 17:09:49 <dustymabe> kushal: that works! 17:09:51 <maxamillion> what's up? 17:09:53 <dustymabe> would love that 17:10:06 <kushal> #action kushal to work on https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/136 17:10:13 <dustymabe> maxamillion: we are in Fedora Cloud meeting (you may or may not know that already) 17:10:18 <kushal> maxamillion, just adding a CD drive to the vagrant images :) 17:10:22 <imcleod> kushal: I stand ready to support :-) 17:10:28 <dustymabe> yeah you do.. I see your .hello 17:10:36 <kushal> imcleod, you are my upstream rockstar :) 17:10:41 <maxamillion> dustymabe: yes, I did roll call ... but I'm somehow missing context on what you said and how it relates to the ticket in the topic 17:10:46 <kushal> #chair imcleod 17:10:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw dustymabe imcleod jbrooks kushal maxamillion praveenkumar rtnpro sayan tflink trishnag 17:10:54 <maxamillion> dustymabe: why do we need releng people for vagrant fixes? 17:10:59 <kushal> #chair adimania 17:10:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw adimania dustymabe imcleod jbrooks kushal maxamillion praveenkumar rtnpro sayan tflink trishnag 17:11:18 <dustymabe> because it includes a change to the vagrant boxes.. I don't think many of us know how those get created 17:11:46 <kushal> dustymabe, imcleod helped me to do that before 17:11:56 <kushal> dustymabe, I will update my worknotes to make sure everyone knows :) 17:12:03 <dustymabe> ok kushal, want to action yourself to work on this 17:12:11 <kushal> I already did :) 17:12:26 <kushal> Moving to next :) 17:12:27 <dustymabe> :) - you so fast 17:12:30 <maxamillion> yeah, I have no idea how the vagrant stuff gets created ... :/ 17:12:37 <kushal> #topic Produce updated cloud base images https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/138 17:12:45 * mhayden stumbles in after a bunch of dings 17:13:03 <gholms> Heh 17:13:14 <kushal> As I updated few minutes back, I will talk to rel-eng, and update the ticket, and the list about the new tree which we can test and then release. 17:13:30 <kushal> #chair gholms 17:13:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw adimania dustymabe gholms imcleod jbrooks kushal maxamillion praveenkumar rtnpro sayan tflink trishnag 17:13:38 <kushal> #chair mhayden 17:13:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw adimania dustymabe gholms imcleod jbrooks kushal maxamillion mhayden praveenkumar rtnpro sayan tflink trishnag 17:13:44 <kushal> Good turnout. 17:14:05 <maxamillion> go team 17:14:10 <kushal> #topic Producing 2 week atomic images https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/139 17:14:21 <kushal> We had another release thanks maxamillion and team :) 17:14:33 <dustymabe> maxamillion: will update the atlas box today 17:14:36 <kushal> maxamillion, I guess after next release we can close this ticket. 17:14:41 <kushal> dustymabe, ^^ 17:14:48 <dustymabe> kushal: cool 17:15:23 <maxamillion> yeah, 2 week atomic images are done unless there's something that needs doing 17:15:26 <maxamillion> we released yesterday 17:15:34 <maxamillion> (something that I'm not aware of anyways) 17:16:22 <kushal> Updated the ticket. 17:16:28 <kushal> Moving to next then. 17:16:50 <kushal> #topic Proposals for F24 features https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/143 17:17:09 <kushal> We have motd, and openshit one in. 17:17:51 <kushal> tflink, Do you know if roshi or you can make the wiki page changes required for the testcloud one? As it is already built for rawhide, it should be easy. 17:18:10 <tflink> what wiki pages need to be changed? 17:18:57 <kushal> tflink, wait, let me search 17:19:53 <kushal> tflink, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Local_Test_Cloud 17:20:11 <kushal> Oh, it has my name too. 17:20:38 <tflink> i still think it's a bit silly to have testcloud as a feature but sure 17:20:38 <kushal> tflink, I will do the changes in the wiki to make sure that it goes to wrangler. 17:20:45 <kushal> tflink, :) 17:20:46 <tflink> what's the deadline? 17:20:48 * linuxmodder 17:20:59 <kushal> tflink, we slipped 2 weeks, so no problem. 17:21:09 <tflink> but when's the deadline? 17:21:26 * tflink just requested stable for f23 testcloud, FWIW 17:21:54 <kushal> 2016-01-26 17:22:01 <tflink> k, thanks 17:22:05 <kushal> tflink, nice to know that. 17:22:15 <kushal> For everyone 17:22:16 <kushal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule 17:22:57 <kushal> Moving next 17:23:08 <kushal> #topic AMI lifetimes (Cloud WG members vote needed) https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/99 17:23:20 <kushal> People voted in that. 17:24:10 <maxamillion> I'm pretty +0 on that ... no real preference, but it's probably a good idea 17:24:10 <kushal> So the problem is we have way too many snapshots, and AMI(s) in AWS, these are mostly nightlies, and other non-release ones. Causing a huge bill every month. 17:24:25 <maxamillion> ohhh, nvm ... I thought this was something else 17:24:44 <fhackdroid> .fas 17:24:44 <zodbot> fhackdroid: (fas <query>) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 17:24:57 * jsmith shows up very late, sorry 17:25:06 * maxamillion throws a shoe at jsmith 17:25:08 <maxamillion> >. 17:25:09 <maxamillion> >.> 17:25:14 <maxamillion> bleh, I can't type ... ignore me 17:25:23 * fhackdroid waves to everyone o/ 17:25:23 <kushal> maxamillion, :) 17:25:35 <kushal> fhackdroid, jsmith hello 17:25:42 <maxamillion> kushal: since people voted in ticket, is there anything else to discuss here? 17:26:03 <kushal> maxamillion, No, I am just informing everyone about this one. 17:26:10 <maxamillion> gotchya 17:26:24 <fhackdroid> kushal, hey 17:26:26 <kushal> maxamillion, we will also drop mails to the list explaining the point (or may be using the trac). 17:26:33 <maxamillion> kushal: +1 17:26:33 <kushal> fhackdroid, The meeting is on. 17:26:47 <kushal> We have 3 new tickets to discuss. 17:26:58 <kushal> #topic Create and host a Fedora 23 Cloud image supporting all languages https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/146 17:27:33 <kushal> I am -1 on this, as this will increase the size in a huge way. 17:27:35 <dustymabe> striker: that was timely 17:27:41 <striker> muaha 17:27:43 <striker> ha 17:27:45 <kushal> striker, hello. 17:27:47 <striker> hello 17:27:48 <dustymabe> I think we are discussing your ticket now 17:27:55 <striker> yes, I see in /topic 17:28:05 <striker> the gods of cloud were calling to me 17:28:14 <striker> so I answered 17:28:25 <kushal> Anyone else? any thoughts? 17:28:33 <striker> what are the thoughts so far? 17:28:39 <striker> +1 or no? 17:28:39 <dustymabe> kushal: I think the proposal was to host a 2nd image that contains the langs 17:28:40 <number80> wfm 17:28:51 <dustymabe> not to change the one we have 17:28:55 <striker> correct 17:29:07 <dustymabe> striker, is it not pretty easy to install the langs on boot? 17:29:10 <dustymabe> using cloud-init? 17:29:39 <kushal> dustymabe, that will also require updates to websites, and input from rel-eng. 17:29:39 <linuxmodder> requires dnf-langpacks.noarch tho I thought even to do that 17:30:15 <kushal> dustymabe, We have to figure out what is required from rel-eng side to get it done. 17:30:28 <linuxmodder> dustymabe, I'll be listening in on striker's ticket as its something I hope to do also for other things 17:30:37 <kushal> It will be nice if we can do this after starting any new instance, that is using cloud-init or something. 17:30:40 <maxamillion> the langpacks is a tough one for me, I like the idea of a smaller cloud image but I hate to alienate users because their written language isn't supported out of the box ... not sure +/- 1 :/ 17:31:38 <kushal> maxamillion, we have way too many langs :) 17:31:57 <linuxmodder> maxamillion, is it possible to make a ?compressed ? langpack thing ? that offers a prompt for desired lang /langs and polls server directly then purges? 17:32:18 <linuxmodder> kushal, the backstory on striker's ticket is for building the live respins 17:33:00 <maxamillion> kushal: ah 17:33:02 <kushal> linuxmodder, Okay. I am trying to think if we can do it in any easy way. 17:33:04 <linuxmodder> the respin folks striker and kk4ewt are wanting to keep using the cloud qcow but it strips the langs making it a effective no-go for the respins 17:33:08 <dustymabe> live respins? 17:33:11 <dustymabe> using the cloud base image? 17:33:13 <linuxmodder> the updated lives 17:33:37 <kushal> striker, what about an unofficial image? 17:33:38 <linuxmodder> http://tinyurl.com/live-respins (redirects to alt.fp.o./live-respins 17:33:51 <striker> an unofficial image would be fine 17:34:03 <kushal> striker, we can easily build that for you :) 17:34:07 <striker> but I have trouble building qcows at the moment (working on that myself) 17:34:14 <kushal> striker, You can then use it as you want. 17:34:19 <striker> I would accept an officially unofficial qcow that contains the langs 17:34:21 <kushal> striker, Cool, I will help you with that. 17:34:36 <striker> compromise++ 17:34:41 <kushal> Is that okay to everyone? 17:34:43 <dustymabe> I don't understand.. how is the cloud base image being used for live respins? 17:34:52 <dustymabe> better yet.. what is a live respin :) 17:34:58 <kushal> striker, stage is yours :) 17:35:13 <striker> dustymabe: I host a VM on OpenStack that is used to rebuild the live ISOs as new Kernel versions are released 17:35:21 <striker> it works great because the VM is small and quick 17:35:38 <striker> Respins built on F22 Cloud had support for all Languages 17:35:48 <striker> On F23 Cloud, the respins are lacking 17:36:04 <linuxmodder> kushal, pending rel-eng or whoevers approval possible to make that official dev qcow or similar so its nmore known as a slightly larger but more lang friendly qcow? 17:36:05 <striker> the process pulls some information from the host OS, which is why Cloud works great for this 17:36:20 <dustymabe> striker: so the VM running on openstack is the one that needs the langs? 17:36:28 <striker> dustymabe: yes 17:36:35 <striker> F23 Server works fine 17:36:36 <dustymabe> and that VM is based on fed cloud base? 17:36:40 <striker> yes 17:36:50 <dustymabe> striker, so why not just update the user-data that you pass to that VM 17:36:56 <linuxmodder> dustymabe, the ones her: https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/ 17:36:57 <dustymabe> to install all langs? 17:37:00 <striker> I tried doing that 17:37:04 <dustymabe> yeah? 17:37:05 <kushal> linuxmodder, striker I can help you fast enough with the unofficial one, for any official one, you have to talk to rel-eng too 17:37:06 <striker> which is the trouble I am having 17:37:12 <striker> kushal: sounds good 17:37:30 <kushal> striker, what is your timezone? 17:37:34 <striker> EST 17:37:39 <linuxmodder> same here 17:38:06 <kushal> Cool, I will make one before tomorrow morning your time, please talk to me after the meeting in the #fedora-cloud channel. 17:38:07 <striker> kushal: maybe down the road even something under 'other downloads' would be fine 17:38:13 <striker> no need for a front-page post 17:38:29 <kushal> striker, yes 17:38:44 <kushal> Putting an action item 17:38:55 <linuxmodder> or in the spins section over on spins.fedoraproject.org 17:39:13 <striker> kushal: ack 17:39:13 <kushal> #action kushal will build an unofficial image with all lang packs for #146 17:39:14 <striker> ty 17:39:20 <kushal> #topic Don't overwrite download location for 2 week atomic images https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/147 17:40:08 <kushal> dustymabe, maxamillion you want to talk? 17:40:15 <dustymabe> sure 17:40:22 <dustymabe> I think we just need to vote 17:40:26 <dustymabe> I don't think anyone did in the ticket 17:40:58 <dustymabe> should I state the case here again, or is that done well enough in the ticket? 17:41:13 <kushal> Ticket text is good for me. 17:41:25 <kushal> So, we all should vote. 17:41:42 <dustymabe> yes 17:41:50 <dustymabe> jzb: has voted +1 17:42:06 <kushal> I am +1 17:42:25 <maxamillion> -1 17:42:57 <kushal> maxamillion, put it on the ticket. 17:43:09 <dustymabe> who else do we have here 17:43:14 <kushal> jsmith, 17:43:17 <kushal> number80, 17:43:24 <kushal> adimania, and rtnpro 17:43:36 <number80> +1 17:43:39 <rtnpro> aye 17:43:46 <kushal> On the ticket people :) 17:43:52 <rtnpro> ok 17:43:58 <adimania> will do 17:44:16 <jsmith> +1 17:44:42 <dustymabe> ok everyone add their +1 or -1 to the ticket 17:45:14 <kushal> Moving next. 17:45:22 <kushal> #topic Container "Packager" Guildelines and Naming Conventions https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/148 17:46:14 <kushal> maxamillion, I will go through the docs, and update the ticket later this week. 17:46:22 <maxamillion> alright, thanks 17:46:33 <number80> interesting idea, it'd be interesting to have container implementors to review these too 17:46:38 <jsmith> The only concern I have is in the name of the second document 17:46:48 <jsmith> Are they really "package" reviews? 17:46:56 <jsmith> (if the end result is a CLIB, not a package) 17:46:57 <maxamillion> basically right now we have guidelines for all sorts of rpm stuff but nothing for docker and I'd like more people than just me to be the "keepers of the guidelines" .... so I was hoping to open that to the cloud wg (I assume we're the most likely to be versed in docker things) 17:46:59 <kushal> Container reviews :) 17:47:13 <kushal> jsmith++ 17:47:13 <zodbot> kushal: Karma for jsmith changed to 9 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:48:08 <maxamillion> jsmith: well, it just shares a lot in the way of process with the package reviews so I didn't want to duplicate the document and have to update both documents when shared content changes or is updated ... I'm certainly open to suggestion on how best to handle that 17:48:18 <jsmith> I've looked over the documents briefly, and didn't see anything concerning 17:48:28 <jsmith> I'll read over the guidelines again and make any comments I have in the ticket 17:48:46 <kushal> Everyone else, please do the same :) 17:48:56 <maxamillion> +1 17:49:30 <number80> now, w/ FESCo hat, should we consider transferring ownership of these guidelines to FPC? 17:49:59 <number80> that's something that needs to be discussed at some point 17:50:05 <maxamillion> number80: completely agreed 17:50:17 <number80> maxamillion: would you add the point to fesco meeting? 17:50:22 <maxamillion> number80: these docs ultimately are slated to go before FESCo for review/discussion 17:50:35 <kushal> number80++ 17:50:36 <zodbot> kushal: Karma for hguemar changed to 5 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:50:41 <number80> maxamillion: yes, but we might just forward it to FPC 17:50:48 <maxamillion> number80: ah, fair 17:51:03 <number80> I'm not against having the WG take ownership but we haven't discussed that yet 17:51:20 <kushal> praveenkumar, dustymabe rtnpro and other container guys, please have a look :) 17:51:26 <number80> *nods* 17:52:01 <dustymabe> kushal: i'm booked up right now :( 17:52:44 <kushal> dustymabe, No problem :) 17:52:55 <kushal> We can move to open floor. 17:53:00 <jsmith> WORKSFORME 17:53:03 <kushal> 8 minutes on hand. 17:53:08 <kushal> #topic Open Floor 17:53:15 <kushal> After long time :) 17:53:31 * jsmith has nothing for the open floor 17:53:32 <kushal> Anyone? anything? 17:53:38 <rtnpro> so, I'd like to go ahead and update on my research so far of cloud motd 17:53:51 <kushal> rtnpro, Okay. 17:53:57 <kushal> rtnpro, Just remember the deadlines. 17:54:06 <number80> none 17:54:31 <rtnpro> so, I have been digging into pam.d amd how to execute scripts on login 17:55:13 <rtnpro> and I was able to wire up `dnf updateinfo` and `users` call, and dump the response to /etc/motd 17:55:51 <rtnpro> but, `dnf -qC updateinfo` is a CPU intensive operation and takes time to execute 17:56:08 <rtnpro> so, there's no room for running this operation at login 17:57:02 <rtnpro> after speaking with a dnf developer, I came to the conclusion that we need to cache the response of `dnf updateinfo` so that the info can be rendered immediately 17:57:34 <rtnpro> I am exploring into dnf plugins which exposes hooks whenever a transaction is run 17:58:07 <rtnpro> the plan is to store the response of `dnf updateinfo` whenever there's a transaction 17:58:46 <rtnpro> that's so far I have explored 17:59:09 <rtnpro> I will be coming up with a working POC in a few days and put it up for review 17:59:18 <dustymabe> rtnpro: when a transaction is run + daily would probably be useful 17:59:21 <rtnpro> any one, any question, suggestion? 17:59:36 <dustymabe> if no cached updateinfo is availabe we could also print out and say that it hasn't run yet 17:59:38 <rtnpro> dustymabe, that's the plan :D 17:59:49 <rtnpro> dustymabe, yes 18:00:25 <rtnpro> that's all from me :) 18:02:18 <kushal> And time over. 18:02:22 <kushal> Closing the meeting. 18:02:24 <kushal> #endmeeting