17:03:27 <jzb> #startmeeting Fedora Cloud Working Group
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17:03:54 <jzb> #chair maxamillion jbrooks misc number80
17:03:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: jbrooks jzb maxamillion misc number80
17:04:05 <number80> o/
17:04:19 <jzb> .hellomynameis jzb
17:04:20 <zodbot> jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' <jzb@redhat.com>
17:04:35 <jzb> kushal sends his regrets
17:04:38 <jzb> network issues
17:05:03 <jzb> ok, let's get started
17:05:27 * jzb heads over to Trac
17:05:51 <trishnag> .hello trishnag
17:05:52 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com>
17:06:22 <jzb> #topic Cloud FAD
17:06:25 <jzb> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/115
17:06:31 <jzb> I think this was started by dustymabe
17:06:41 <jzb> any updates, suggestions, etc.?
17:06:55 <pryanka> .hello pryanka
17:06:57 <zodbot> pryanka: pryanka 'Pryanka Giri' <pryankagiri@gmail.com>
17:07:17 <trishnag> hi all, i am a new volunteer to fedora cloud QA. :)
17:07:25 <jzb> trishnag: hi - welcome
17:07:38 <maxamillion> trishnag: welcome!
17:07:38 <pryanka> Hello everyone
17:07:44 <number80> trishnag: welcome :)
17:07:52 <jzb> OK, tabling that one for next week
17:08:09 <trishnag> jzb, maxamillion, number80, thanks :)
17:08:36 <pryanka> I am a new volunteer for Cloud QA
17:08:55 <number80> well, I think that Red Hat Paris has a lot of free space for a workshop
17:08:56 <jzb> #topic Producing 2 week atomic images
17:09:25 <jzb> #undo
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17:09:43 <linuxmodder> .hello corey84
17:09:44 <zodbot> linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
17:09:49 <linuxmodder> suffering  severe lag on the bouncer today in light of  netspliting  today (may be  delayed)
17:09:53 <linuxmodder> .hello corey84
17:09:54 <zodbot> linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
17:09:55 <jzb> number80: we might get most bang for our buck if we colocate with something else.
17:10:02 <linuxmodder> same here
17:10:08 <linuxmodder> been working with docs and ambassador groups for a bit hto
17:10:29 <jzb> number80: is there something happening in Paris fo us to bounce off of?
17:11:51 <misc> nothing big planned, afaik
17:11:54 <maxamillion> I don't know if there's anything been discussed further for 2-week cloud images, but AutoCloud is testing the Cloud images nightly now just as it is for Atomic and we're already releasing two-week Atomic, so the ability to piggy back on that work is likely a low barrier of entry so long as there's enough ownership to make a "go/no-go" call on the release
17:12:08 <misc> at least not in the next 3 or 4 months
17:12:17 <misc> now, paris is not far from bruxelles
17:12:34 <misc> so around fosdem, it could be worth
17:12:54 <number80> jzb: yes
17:13:01 <number80> just thinking aloud
17:13:02 <jzb> misc: OK, I think we need dustymabe for this since he opened the ticket
17:13:07 <jzb> let's move that to mailing list?
17:13:13 <number80> *nods*
17:13:18 <jzb> though if we're going to do around FOSDEM we need to pull the trigger pretty darn soon.
17:13:27 <jzb> #topic Producing 2 week atomic images
17:13:38 <jzb> maxamillion: I saw the announcement about the latest two week release
17:13:41 <jzb> is it ready for promotion>
17:13:43 <jzb> ?
17:13:48 <maxamillion> jzb: it is
17:13:53 <maxamillion> jzb: it's already live on the website
17:14:04 <jzb> excellent
17:14:08 <maxamillion> https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/atomic.html
17:14:21 <jzb> #action jzb write up release announcement for magazine / project atomic site.
17:14:39 <jzb> maxamillion: do we have the details on kernel / docker verison etc?
17:15:07 <maxamillion> jzb: we don't have a good auto-generated manifest but I can get you that information from the compose logs if you have a list of packages you'd like to highlight
17:15:56 <jzb> maxamillion: kernel, docker, k8s, atomic (/usr/bin/atomic), rpm-ostree?
17:15:56 <maxamillion> jzb: the auto-generated manifest is on the roadmap though, I'd like to think we can get that done this month pending other priority work gets done
17:16:05 <jzb> maxamillion: that'd be super, thanks
17:16:14 <linuxmodder> I can publicize on my blog and  other socials if you have a statement to link (or otherwise ready)
17:16:16 <siXy> (we would really love that too)
17:16:17 * jzb is happy to see the 2-week releases moving
17:16:46 <maxamillion> jzb: actually, we should look at the package list that was used in the centos release announcement on projectatomic.io and follow suit
17:16:49 <jzb> maxamillion: to whom should we give thanks to helping this along? :-)
17:17:20 <jzb> maxamillion: I don't think we did for the last release
17:17:25 <jzb> jbrooks: ^^ ?
17:17:30 <maxamillion> jzb: threebean, kushal, sayan, dgilmore, and myself ... pretty sure I didn't leave anyone out in that list
17:17:39 <jzb> oh, there we did
17:17:51 <jzb> maxamillion: groovy, thanks :-)
17:18:10 <maxamillion> jzb: yeah, found it http://www.projectatomic.io/blog/2015/11/centos-atomic-host-updated/ ... I'll get you similar info for the announcement
17:18:19 <jzb> maxamillion: awesome
17:18:27 <jzb> anything else on the 2-week release topic?
17:18:53 <scollier> .hello scollier
17:18:54 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com>
17:19:26 <maxamillion> we need to find out who's going to "own" it ... we need to come up with a process around go/no-go meetings and make sure we have people testing things and/or contributing test cases to AutoCloud
17:19:43 <linuxmodder> maxamillion,  mind adding me to that ?   I can also publish it
17:19:45 <maxamillion> I assume this SIG will be the owner but the rest of the details need sorting out
17:19:58 <maxamillion> linuxmodder: adding you to what?
17:22:10 <jzb> maxamillion: I thought we had someone raise a hand to "own" this as an interim step?
17:22:22 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe
17:22:23 <jzb> but yes, we do need to start that - when should the next go/no-go be?
17:22:23 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dustymabe@redhat.com>
17:22:27 * dustymabe is late
17:22:30 <jzb> dustymabe: hey! welcome
17:22:37 <dustymabe> sorry was doing an interview
17:22:42 <maxamillion> dustymabe: no worries
17:22:52 * dustymabe reads scrollback
17:23:35 <maxamillion> jzb: well we need to first figure out what all it's going to take to piggy back on the Two Week Atomic work, because it's not going to happen for free ... so the concept of holding a go/no-go meeting before we have that in place probably won't play out for us
17:24:17 <maxamillion> from the release standpoint it should be relatively easy, but I have no idea how much work it'll take for the website team
17:24:18 <dustymabe> maxamillion: 2 week atomic is live on the website?
17:24:23 <maxamillion> dustymabe: yup
17:24:37 <maxamillion> dustymabe: if you download from https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/atomic.html then you get the two week atomic image
17:24:38 <dustymabe> wow.. we should promote 2 week atomic in general
17:24:46 <dustymabe> like blog posts
17:24:48 <jzb> dustymabe: yes
17:24:51 <maxamillion> dustymabe: yeah, already been discussed ... you missed it :)
17:24:51 <dustymabe> jzb: should I make one for that?
17:24:54 <jzb> dustymabe: I already actioned that
17:24:55 <dustymabe> ahh ok
17:24:56 <dustymabe> sigh
17:24:57 <jzb> :_)
17:25:06 <dustymabe> didn't read entire scrollback
17:25:10 <dustymabe> ok continue
17:25:27 <jzb> maxamillion: we basically have one more 2-week before everybody disappears for holiday, yeah?
17:25:41 <maxamillion> we need to figure out what cloud artifacts we want to ship, iso installer, qcow2, AWS EC2, $other?
17:25:48 <maxamillion> jzb: yeah
17:26:23 <jzb> maxamillion: I think the same set we've prevsiously shipped, yeah? I don't know why that'd change.
17:26:23 <maxamillion> jzb: I'm most likely going to do a two-week Atomic release over the holidays
17:26:32 <jzb> maxamillion: OK
17:26:46 <jzb> maxamillion: it's good to keep the cadence, though I'm not sure how many people will be around to download it :-)
17:26:56 <dustymabe> maxamillion++
17:26:57 <zodbot> dustymabe: Karma for maxamillion changed to 10 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:27:08 <dustymabe> maxamillion: thanks for making this happen
17:27:31 <maxamillion> jzb: well, there were originally talks for Fedora Atomic to not ship 2-week vagrant and EC2 but we ended up doing it anyways ... I just want to make sure that we discuss and agree what's going to be shipped for Cloud Two-Week because that's going to require testing, etc
17:27:39 <jzb> hey, somebody needs to tell Zodbot we're on a new release cycle
17:27:54 <maxamillion> dustymabe: kushal, sayan, and threebean did a giant chunk of the work
17:28:00 <jzb> maxamillion: oooh, cloud not Atomic?
17:28:15 <maxamillion> jzb: right, we're talking about doing Cloud Two-Week
17:28:19 <dustymabe> hmm
17:28:27 <dustymabe> there is a ticket for releasing updated cloud images
17:28:29 <maxamillion> jzb: so this would be net-new, non-Atomic Two-Week releases
17:28:36 <jzb> ahhh
17:28:38 <dustymabe> but the cadence was going to be 1 month
17:28:39 <maxamillion> unless I'm misunderstanding
17:28:43 <maxamillion> dustymabe: oh, ok
17:28:52 <maxamillion> so ... 1 Month Cloud, 2 Week Atomic
17:28:57 <dustymabe> sounds reasonable
17:29:07 <dustymabe> but like you said. some more needs to be put in place first
17:29:14 <jzb> #chair dustymabe
17:29:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe jbrooks jzb maxamillion misc number80
17:29:29 <dustymabe> here is the ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/138
17:29:37 <maxamillion> yeah, we should put together a wiki page or similar to keep track of this stuff similar to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic
17:31:05 <dustymabe> ok
17:31:56 <dustymabe> move on to next topic?
17:32:11 <maxamillion> sounds good, I think we can follow up with this stuff off-meeting
17:32:59 <jzb> sounds good
17:33:38 <jzb> dustymabe: we have a lot of tickets in "meeting" but some of them... not sure they are or should still be?
17:33:58 <jzb> we've talked about cloud monthly
17:34:07 <dustymabe> jzb: yeah.. the only thing about removing them from meeting is that we might forget about them :(
17:34:09 <jzb> dustymabe: have we covered a Fedora 23 retrospective yet?
17:34:16 <dustymabe> jzb: kushal updated the ticket
17:34:25 <dustymabe> but other than that, not really
17:34:52 <jzb> actually
17:34:59 <jzb> #topic Fedora Cloud QA
17:35:08 <jzb> so part of kushal's update was a public call for QA
17:35:16 <jzb> and I see we had a few folks introduce themselves
17:35:38 <jzb> so - can we loop back around there
17:35:40 <jzb> ?
17:36:03 <jzb> pryanka, trishnag
17:36:08 <jzb> ?
17:36:52 <dustymabe> there was one or two more too
17:36:54 <trishnag> jzb, I have worked on nongatingtests for fedora cloud images.
17:37:41 <jzb> OK
17:37:59 <jzb> my main question is whether y'all have what you need to be productive helping with testing?
17:38:07 <jzb> or do you need feedback/input/help?
17:39:34 <trishnag> jzb, i am trying to follow the workflow right now.
17:40:09 <maxamillion> jzb: oh, sorry ... forgot to post this to you http://fpaste.org/296723/14490779/ ... if you'd like that in a different delivery mechanism I'd be happy to send it
17:41:00 <jzb> maxamillion: that's fine - thanks!
17:41:04 <maxamillion> jzb: cool cool
17:41:14 <jzb> trishnag: so... current status, good? Further updates as events warrant?
17:41:14 <maxamillion> stuff and things ... we're doing them
17:41:17 <jzb> :-)
17:41:53 <dustymabe> trishnag: pryanka: feel free to send emails to the list if you get stuck or need help
17:41:57 <dustymabe> and irc is always there
17:42:10 <jzb> always
17:42:11 <jzb> lurking
17:42:12 <jzb> :-)
17:42:20 <jzb> OK, anything else on this topic?
17:43:04 <trishnag> dustymade, jzb, I am having exams now. I'll continue after my exams are over.  thanks :)
17:43:22 <dustymabe> trishnag: thanks!
17:43:38 <jzb> trishnag: good luck ;-)
17:43:51 <jzb> #topic make docker archived image get imported with lowercase tag
17:43:57 <jzb> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/131
17:44:07 <jzb> dustymabe: any updates?
17:44:34 <dustymabe> jzb: let me see if imcleod can join
17:44:36 <dustymabe> and update
17:44:43 <imcleod> dustymabe: hi
17:44:53 <dustymabe> imcleod: we are looking at ticket 131
17:44:57 <dustymabe> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/131
17:45:05 <dustymabe> just wondering if there was anything to report on that
17:45:24 <imcleod> :-( - No.
17:45:29 <dustymabe> ok good enough
17:45:39 <imcleod> But, inspired by this callout, I'm going to write a candidate change right now.
17:45:50 <dustymabe> col
17:45:53 <dustymabe> cool
17:45:58 <pryanka> I was busy with my office work not able to give time here
17:46:08 <dustymabe> pryanka: ok. thanks for update
17:46:09 <jzb> #action imcleod going to work on a fix for this.
17:46:09 <maxamillion> imcleod: you rock
17:46:24 <pryanka> Trying to catch up from today onwards
17:46:26 <dustymabe> jzb: it's good to include ticket # in action
17:46:55 <jzb> #undo
17:46:55 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jzb at 17:46:09 : imcleod going to work on a fix for this.
17:47:31 <jzb> #action imcleod going to work on a fix for Ticket 131
17:48:50 <jzb> OK
17:49:16 <jzb> #topic Fedora-Dockerfiles examples for Kubernetes
17:49:27 <jzb> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/125
17:49:53 <jzb> looks like Aditya has contributed an example
17:50:03 <jzb> has anybody had a chance to look at this?
17:50:19 <dustymabe> jzb: no :(
17:50:38 <jzb> scollier: I think you opened the ticket
17:50:48 <scollier> jzb, looking
17:50:48 <jzb> scollier: would you have a chance to consider his suggestion/contribution?
17:50:52 <jzb> scollier: thanks!
17:52:01 <scollier> jzb, I actually thought we were moving fedora-dockerfiles into a maintenance mode of sorts until maxamillion and team had a chance to get the Fedora docker build system up.
17:52:34 <maxamillion> "and team" ... I like that, that's good :)
17:52:36 <maxamillion> >.>
17:52:41 <scollier> jzb, and if that's the case, even if it's a bit of a ways out, how much do we want to consolidate into fed-dockerfiles as opposed to looking for more permanent homes?
17:52:51 <jzb> maxamillion: you're a one-man team ;-)
17:53:21 <maxamillion> jzb: eh, there's a lot of people involved in the whole stack, I'm just the one trying to make it work in the Fedora space and it stresses me out
17:53:47 <scollier> jzb, when that ticket was opened, I / we thought fed-dockerfiles would be around a looong time.
17:54:08 <jzb> it won't? :-)
17:54:20 <jzb> how does the build system negate the dockerfiles repo?
17:54:40 <scollier> jzb, duplicate work in most instances.
17:55:04 <jzb> scollier: won't we just import the existing repo, or no
17:55:05 <jzb> ?
17:55:23 <scollier> jzb, i'm looking for the thread which covers this.
17:55:28 <jzb> scollier: OK
17:55:32 <jzb> sorry if I'm missing a thread
17:55:35 <jzb> or threads
17:56:34 <jzb> note we're about 4 minutes out from end of meeting
17:57:18 <scollier> jzb, it's this thread: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/cloud%40lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/D4T23CNL3UCZ3YAQIOWTSF4BNMTNRGEG/#Z3JVOCMW2I46UTME452JV663RXSOK6IL
17:57:36 <scollier> jzb, see second message from mattdm
17:58:25 <jzb> scollier: OK
17:58:30 <jzb> scollier: shall we move this to the list?
17:58:58 <jzb> Note, regardless, I'd like to reply to Aditya by end of week so he doesn't feel ignored.
17:59:05 <scollier> jzb, sure.  we just need a location for the fedora k8s stuff.
17:59:07 <scollier> jzb, ack.
18:01:16 <jzb> OK
18:01:20 <jzb> scollier: thanks
18:01:33 <jzb> I think we're out of time
18:01:36 <jzb> #topic open floor
18:01:39 <jzb> any last topics?
18:03:21 <jzb> OK
18:03:24 <jzb> thanks all!
18:03:27 <jzb> #endmeeting