19:00:15 <kushal> #startmeeting Fedora Cloud SIG
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19:00:23 <kushal> #topic Roll Call
19:00:29 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
19:00:31 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <kushaldas@gmail.com>
19:00:37 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe
19:00:38 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dusty@dustymabe.com>
19:00:39 <roshi> .hello roshi
19:00:41 <zodbot> roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' <mruckman@redhat.com>
19:01:22 <jzb> .hellomynameis jzb
19:01:23 <zodbot> jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' <jzb@redhat.com>
19:01:45 <oddshocks> .hello oddshocks
19:01:46 <zodbot> oddshocks: oddshocks 'David Gay' <dgay@redhat.com>
19:01:57 <kushal> Anyone else?
19:02:55 * adimania us here
19:03:03 <adimania> s/us/is
19:03:16 <dustymabe> adimania: welcome
19:03:27 <adimania> thank you!
19:03:37 <kushal> adimania, hello
19:03:54 <kushal> #topic Fedora 22 release
19:04:16 <kushal> Thank you everyone for the hard work :)
19:04:26 <dustymabe> yay. thanks everybody!
19:04:36 <roshi> :)
19:04:45 <sgallagh> /me lurks
19:05:04 <dustymabe> it seems like it went so fast
19:05:15 <dustymabe> maxamillion: welcome
19:05:18 <roshi> it does that :)
19:05:19 <maxamillion> dustymabe: thanks :)
19:05:22 <kushal> maxamillion, hello :)
19:05:30 * jsmith shows up late
19:05:31 <kushal> dustymabe, it really went fast :)
19:05:34 <kushal> jsmith, Hi there
19:05:34 <maxamillion> kushal: hi hi
19:05:43 <roshi> just wait, we'll be working on F23 before you know it
19:05:48 <roshi> then F24...
19:05:53 * lsm5 here
19:06:00 <roshi> good turnout today :)
19:06:03 <kushal> roshi, yup, isn't that great :)
19:06:15 <kushal> roshi, both working and turnout :)
19:06:21 <scollier> hello
19:06:23 <roshi> Everything is Awesome
19:06:23 <kushal> scollier, hello there
19:06:27 <roshi> :p
19:06:30 <sgallagh> dustymabe: Well, certainly faster than F21
19:06:40 <dustymabe> sgallagh: yep :)
19:06:42 <kushal> sgallagh, :)
19:07:10 <kushal> Anyone wants to say anything related to this release?
19:07:12 * nzwulfin lurking
19:07:39 * jbrooks here
19:07:40 <dustymabe> any big issues noticed so far?
19:07:47 <dustymabe> I know there was one with cockpit in atomic
19:07:51 <jzb> that one
19:08:02 <kushal> nzwulfin, jbrooks Hello :)
19:08:08 <nzwulfin> jbrooks found it .. changed the delivery to SPC
19:08:47 <nzwulfin> https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/wiki/Atomic
19:09:21 <roshi> I didn't know cockpit was supposed to be part of atomic
19:09:23 <roshi> tbh
19:09:26 <scollier> we also now have atomic as a fedora image on the docker registry.
19:09:36 <scollier> atomic install fedora/cockpitws
19:09:42 <scollier> atomic run fedora/cockpitws
19:09:43 <dustymabe> scollier:
19:09:45 <dustymabe> haha
19:09:50 <dustymabe> I thought you were talking about atomic host
19:10:09 <nzwulfin> scollier: me too, you almost hurt my brain!
19:10:22 <kushal> Oh
19:10:23 <scollier> it does run on atomic host.
19:10:41 <scollier> yea, the atomic command...
19:10:53 <sgallagh> kushal: I'd like to make one comment about Vagrant
19:10:55 <jzb> that hurt my brain for a second
19:11:02 <kushal> sgallagh, go ahead :)
19:11:13 <kushal> jzb, hehe
19:11:14 <jzb> scollier: so Cockpit should be / is run as a container now?
19:11:17 <sgallagh> It would be nice if we could get a -latest.box link up somewhere that will always point to whichever respin is newest
19:11:36 <scollier> jzb, can be.  been working with stefw to get that covered.
19:12:07 <nzwulfin> jzb: it works with the limited testing i did today
19:12:10 <scollier> jzb, https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/fedora/cockpitws/
19:12:14 <stefw> scollier, https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/wiki/Atomic
19:12:20 <kushal> sgallagh, Okay
19:12:27 * mattdm is here, paying half attention :)
19:12:42 <roshi> half a mattdm is better than no mattdm :p
19:12:49 <jzb> we need to get documentation up on that.
19:12:50 <kushal> #action kushal will work to get a -latest.box link up for vagrant boxes
19:12:52 <mattdm> roshi: thanks, I think :)
19:13:00 <jzb> roshi: so we have a mat or a tdm?
19:13:04 <scollier> jzb, i owe stefw a blog, but i dunno where official doc come from.
19:13:18 <roshi> lol, not sure jzb
19:13:19 <jzb> scollier: probably somebody stealing content from your blog.
19:13:33 <scollier> jzb, that's ok.  might want to add an action item for me to create that blog :)
19:14:00 <jzb> #action scollier write blog for using Cockpit container on Atomic / Fedora 22
19:14:11 <kushal> scollier, +1 :)
19:14:11 * jzb assumes he has chair privs.
19:14:39 <kushal> #chair jzb scollier roshi dustymabe number80 nzwulfin jbrooks mattdm adimania
19:14:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: adimania dustymabe jbrooks jzb kushal mattdm number80 nzwulfin roshi scollier
19:14:58 <kushal> jzb, just in case :)
19:15:15 <scollier> jzb, that means i can assign actions now?  woohoo
19:15:56 <kushal> scollier, feel free too :)
19:16:09 * adimania thinks that scollier is in "actions" shooting mode!
19:16:23 * kushal should do that at the beginning of the meeting.
19:16:40 <kushal> Moving to next topic then?
19:16:52 <kushal> Or is there anything else to the release?
19:17:22 <nzwulfin> i'm working on reviewing the getting started guide based on the release
19:17:51 <kushal> nzwulfin, great
19:18:10 <kushal> #info nzwulfin is reviewing the getting started guide based on the release
19:19:02 <kushal> #topic Fedora 23
19:19:22 <kushal> I will start a thread tomorrow with some initial thoughts about Fedora 23
19:19:36 <kushal> I want to have the feature list as early as possible.
19:19:55 <kushal> I will also make sure about poking the feature owners regularly
19:19:55 <jzb> kushal: per a discussion on marketing
19:20:12 <kushal> jzb, ?
19:20:14 <jzb> kushal: we should strongly consider a "Workstation to Cloud" story for F23
19:20:30 <jzb> e.g. - starting with applications developed on Workstation to a Cloud running on Server.
19:20:56 <roshi> we also need to go over the PRD ASAP
19:20:56 <jzb> maybe less about individual features and more on how the editions work together.
19:21:01 <jzb> yep
19:21:05 <kushal> roshi, Yup.
19:21:18 <kushal> roshi, thanks for reminding
19:21:31 <kushal> Everyone please go through the cloud PRD
19:21:35 <roshi> np, didn't want to forget
19:21:40 <roshi> I'll try to take a pass at it
19:21:48 <roshi> once I get this blog post written
19:21:54 <kushal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_PRD
19:22:01 <kushal> roshi, Okay
19:22:17 <kushal> jzb, Okay, I will try to find the original thread
19:22:24 <roshi> is atomic staying a spin for F23?
19:23:30 <jzb> roshi: I think we decided to do rapid releases but it wouldn't be a "final" release given the constraints we have there.
19:23:42 <number80> roshi: if we hadn't a hard limit on products, I would suggest that we promote it as an independent product
19:24:20 <sgallagh> jzb: I was talking with scollier about that very topic this week (Workstation->Cloud)
19:24:53 <sgallagh> I think we want to work on integrating our various tools (DevAssistant, Vagrant, OpenShift, etc.) together in such a way that we are developing on what will ultimately be the deployment platform.
19:24:58 <roshi> I haven't looked, but it might be good to have something like release criteria for it
19:25:02 <jzb> sgallagh: +1
19:25:15 <roshi> +1 to that
19:25:45 <sgallagh> e.g. DevAssistant builds your dev environment with a Vagrant setup that is really an OpenShift node.
19:26:24 <sgallagh> /me goes back to the unicorn pens.
19:27:00 <mattdm> sgallagh: set the unicorns free!
19:27:02 <number80> well, we'd need to get openshift back under fedora first
19:27:22 <mattdm> number80: yes. hopefully possible with openshift 3....
19:27:36 <number80> mattdm: that would be an excellent news :)
19:27:37 <purpleidea> sgallagh: i'd venture to recommend using OMV instead of dev assistant to build a vagrant env. if you want to wrap that in DA, wrap OMV instead
19:27:39 <kushal> mattdm, :)
19:28:03 * number80 already working hard to keep openstack in fedora
19:28:13 <sgallagh> purpleidea: The implementation is less important to me this moment than whether the plan makes sense
19:29:52 <number80> +1
19:30:16 <number80> we need a consistent story, that's the point of having products in the first place
19:30:16 <purpleidea> sgallagh: is DA getting a lot of adoption?
19:31:18 <sgallagh> purpleidea: It's getting a lot of *press* at least. And it's a useful tool that we can make into the linchpin of our efforts if we move quickly.
19:32:08 <purpleidea> sgallagh: as an aside, a new tool called gnome-builder seems to be shaping up to be a great thing to watch. an old version is in F22
19:33:04 <sgallagh> purpleidea: Not terribly interesting so far, as it's primarily only useful for building GNOME.
19:33:04 <number80> gnome-builder is already part of the workstation story
19:33:30 <purpleidea> sgallagh: disagree that it's only interesting for GNOME.
19:33:47 * number80 suggests that we move this discussion on the list
19:34:07 <sgallagh> purpleidea: I meant that its design purpose is for developing GNOME
19:34:09 <number80> it's not part of the agenda, and let's be considerate to other people time ;)
19:34:13 <sgallagh> Anyway, this is getting off-topic
19:34:14 <sgallagh> Sorry
19:34:18 <number80> sgallagh: np
19:34:37 <kushal> Thanks :)
19:34:47 <kushal> I think we can move to Open Floor now.
19:34:55 <kushal> #topic Open Floor
19:35:17 <number80> I'll give a pass to the PRD tomorrow
19:35:37 <number80> but another topic, we should prepare an agenda for our WG meeting at Flock
19:35:47 <jsmith> Agreed :-)
19:35:48 <oddshocks> number80: good idea
19:36:47 <kushal> number80, +1
19:37:10 <jzb> number80: we have a WG meeting at Flock?
19:37:13 <number80> #action everyone start working on an agenda for Cloud WG meeting at Flock
19:37:27 <number80> jzb: yes, it's on the schedule, I assumed it was submitted by kushal?
19:37:48 <kushal> number80, Nope
19:38:08 <kushal> oddshocks, did a talk submission iirc
19:38:12 <number80> nevermind, no matter who submitted it, that was a good damn idea
19:38:12 <kushal> and roshi too
19:38:13 <sgallagh> number80: I don't think a schedule exists yet
19:38:13 <jzb> number80: I didn't think the schedule was up already
19:38:20 <jzb> number80: that would be me ;-)
19:38:26 <jzb> number80: I just didn't think it was up yet.
19:38:28 <number80> jzb: you're brilliant
19:38:40 <number80> sgallagh: right, it's not schedule but result from voting
19:39:03 <oddshocks> Cool! Yeah, I saw there was a Cloud SIG meetup. I submitted a proposal for a general talk on Fedora Cloud and the WG, how people can get involved, etc.
19:39:07 <sgallagh> number80: The voting results do not necessarily imply selection (but in the case of the WG meeting, it probably will get a workshop space)
19:39:28 <number80> ok
19:39:36 <roshi> my testCloud talk missed the cutoff by 2 points :p
19:39:46 <roshi> but now I don't have to make slides!
19:39:54 <number80> let's wrap up if nobody has any other topic
19:39:56 <kushal> sgallagh, Okay
19:40:01 <kushal> number80, +1 :)
19:40:46 <kushal> I am going to close the meeting now.
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19:41:03 <kushal> #endmeeting