19:30:00 <pwhalen> #startmeeting Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 19:30:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Aug 14 19:30:00 2013 UTC. The chair is pwhalen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:30:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:30:00 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore dmarlin masta handsome_pirate msalter ahs3 agreene jcapik ddd_ 19:30:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: agreene ahs3 bconoboy ctyler ddd_ dgilmore dmarlin handsome_pirate jcapik jonmasters masta msalter pbrobinson pwhalen 19:30:08 <bconoboy> .fas blc@ 19:30:09 <zodbot> bconoboy: blc '' <blc@redhat.com> 19:30:10 <pwhalen> afternoon everyone 19:30:15 <pwhalen> .fas pwhalen 19:30:16 <zodbot> pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' <pwhalen@redhat.com> 19:31:48 <pwhalen> #topic 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 19:31:48 <pwhalen> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-08-07/fedora-meeting-1.2013-08-07-19.29.html 19:32:08 <pwhalen> did we want to talk about the viable boards discussed at flock now? 19:32:45 <bconoboy> is that elsewhere on the agenda? 19:32:48 <bconoboy> if not, now is good 19:32:52 <jcapik> .fas jcapik 19:32:53 <zodbot> jcapik: jcapik 'Jaromír Cápík' <jcapik@redhat.com> 19:33:24 <pwhalen> could be covered here or in the kernel portion i guess, kylem__ ? 19:34:04 <pwhalen> I pinged Peter, I havent seen him on today 19:34:10 <bconoboy> peter is traveling 19:34:17 <bconoboy> let's cover it during kernel, hopefully kyle will be back by then 19:34:18 <kylem__> sure. 19:34:24 <bconoboy> there he is! get him! 19:34:28 <pwhalen> yea, thought that may be the case 19:34:48 <kylem__> i *think* we said that wandboard, utilite and beaglebone black 19:34:50 <Guest80927> kylem__ you don't hide very well 19:35:01 <bconoboy> #link Peter's State of the ARM Union lists new boards: http://nullr0ute.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Flock2013-ARM-StateOfTheUnion.pdf 19:35:50 <bconoboy> #info Likely new devices in F20: Beaglebone, Wandboard, Utilite 19:36:24 <kylem__> i've got a utilite now, but i need to bug them for their source. ships with 3.0 on it. 19:36:38 <bconoboy> #info Other possibilities include AC100, Tegra3/4 in general, Chromebook, Arndale, Odroid 19:36:57 <bconoboy> kylem__: ugh- does it have an embedded dtb? 19:37:39 <kylem__> bconoboy, looks it 19:38:02 <kylem__> let me turn it back on 19:38:23 <dgilmore> pwhalen: peter is on his way back to the UK 19:38:24 <pwhalen> big list of targets to test 19:38:51 <pwhalen> dgilmore, ok, thought that may be the case 19:39:19 <bconoboy> we're going to do a decision point on which devices are in and out 19:39:47 <pwhalen> sounds good, do we know at which point we'll do that? 19:39:58 <bconoboy> So, what is the standard by which we are willing to say "We will support $BOARD in F20?" And when do we need to decide? 19:39:59 <kylem__> i think there's a question of what do we want to /support/ and what do we just want to enable 19:40:38 <dgilmore> kylem__: right, some stuff we will enable, it may or may not work 19:40:52 <dgilmore> but some boards we want to be sure they work 19:40:59 <kylem__> agreed. 19:41:00 <bconoboy> support implies we have the capacity to do QE 19:41:59 <pwhalen> so when do we revisit and make that decision? 19:42:14 <bconoboy> perhaps the right first step is discussing on the mailing list 19:42:28 <bconoboy> I'm not sure all the stake holders are here now 19:43:23 <bconoboy> Okay, so I propose this: 19:43:49 <bconoboy> Let's discuss minimal criteria for support on arm@lists.fp.o, possibly including devel@lists.fp.o as well 19:43:58 <bconoboy> Then we can discuss here again next week 19:44:04 <bconoboy> if needed 19:45:04 <bconoboy> can I get a +1? :-) 19:45:06 <pwhalen> sounds good, who would like to email the list? 19:45:06 * masta is here late 19:45:10 <pwhalen> +1 19:45:13 <bconoboy> I'll kick off the discussion 19:45:28 <pwhalen> thanks 19:46:13 <pwhalen> #action bconoboy to email the arm/devel mailing lists to begin supportable hw in f20 discussion 19:46:29 <pwhalen> #topic 1) Problem packages 19:48:03 <pwhalen> anyone able to call out some problem packages right now? 19:48:29 <bconoboy> Is glibc still a problem? 19:48:36 <bconoboy> (neon instructions) 19:48:58 <pwhalen> it appears so , dgilmore mentioned it should be resolved this week? 19:49:29 <bconoboy> #link glibc has neon instructions https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=985342 19:49:36 <bconoboy> I don't see an update to the BZ since July 24 19:49:39 <bconoboy> dgilmore? 19:51:10 <bconoboy> That's the only big one I'm aware of 19:51:32 <kylem__> that's next on my list unless carlos gets free cycles 19:52:16 <bconoboy> okay, cool 19:52:23 <pwhalen> thanks kylem__ , he may have looked today as well 19:52:31 <pwhalen> #topic 2) Kernel Status Update 19:52:48 <kylem__> no change on my end due to flock, but at least i have a flyswatter now 19:53:19 <pwhalen> awesome 19:53:47 <kylem__> poking at openocd now, hopefully should have some progress after the meeting or tomorrow morning 19:54:04 <bconoboy> #info No updated since last week (SIGFLOCK) 19:54:16 <masta> kylem__: what boards are you puting the flyswatter first? 19:54:26 <kylem__> pandaboard 19:55:32 <pwhalen> #topic 3a) Aarch64 - Status Update 19:56:23 <pwhalen> how does it look bconoboy ? 19:56:28 <bconoboy> Build queue is empty 19:56:52 <bconoboy> Currently 11909/13606 packages built, including 5043 aarch64-producing packages 19:57:16 <bconoboy> We're pulling in updates every night and queueing them up 19:57:24 <bconoboy> So the good news is we have more builders than we have F19 updates 19:57:48 <bconoboy> The bad news is that we're still about 1600 packages short of the finish line 19:58:21 <pwhalen> are all of these packages that failed due to a build issue? 19:58:23 <bconoboy> #info 11909/13606 packages built 19:58:40 <bconoboy> there are 856 failed builds 19:58:49 <bconoboy> 249 failed due to dependency resolution issues 19:59:01 <bconoboy> 607 failed due to something in %build 19:59:29 <bconoboy> It's possible that if we requeued many of these they would pass upon retry, as newer versions of dependencies are always rolling in 19:59:41 <bconoboy> That may be the next logical step 20:00:26 <pwhalen> right, should we keep requeuing rather than leave builders idle 20:00:36 <bconoboy> yeah, I think so 20:01:21 <pwhalen> anything else ? 20:01:30 <bconoboy> #info Builders are idle, so we will requeue the failed 856 builds as dependencies may not be filled 20:01:41 <bconoboy> #include <stdpleaforhelp.h> 20:01:52 <bconoboy> #undo 20:01:52 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x250182d0> 20:02:00 <bconoboy> #info Builders are idle, so we will requeue the failed 856 builds as dependencies may now be filled 20:02:04 <pwhalen> :) 20:02:28 <pwhalen> #topic 3b) F19 Remix 20:03:08 <bconoboy> Just a heads up for everybody, we will be putting an F19 remix out in the next few days 20:03:26 <bconoboy> This will be a little different from the builder image we're maintaining now 20:03:44 <masta> aarch64 remix? 20:04:12 <bconoboy> It won't include the rebuild stuff- just a pure stage 4 image that people can use to test drive Fedora on AArch64 20:04:28 <masta> cool! 20:05:02 <bconoboy> We'll include a 3.11 kernel and modules suitable for use with the foundation model 20:05:36 <bconoboy> Hopefully semiconductors who are producing their own aarch64 chips will find it useful as well- bring your own kernel 20:06:35 <bconoboy> #info An F19 AArch64 remix is coming- including a Fedora 3.11 kernel/initramfs for use with foundation model. 20:06:58 <bconoboy> We'll be producing the image using live media creator 20:07:49 <bconoboy> #info livemedia-creator is capable of making these images even now 20:08:27 <pwhalen> #topic 4) Flock Wrap-up - Did you attend? Tell us about it! 20:08:58 <bconoboy> Who went? What happened? Was it awesome? 20:09:06 <dgilmore> bconoboy: ideally we use the same tools as we do for v7 20:09:12 <kylem__> i did -- it was really quite fantastic, massive thanks to ruth and spot and all the volunteers 20:09:33 <bconoboy> kylem: Any arm highlights? 20:09:38 * dgilmore was there, it was good. 20:09:52 <dgilmore> bconoboy: there was a lot of different arm things 20:09:57 <dgilmore> many at the same time 20:10:08 <dgilmore> so impossible to see all 20:10:33 * masta was there. Good times =) 20:10:38 <kylem__> yeah, my only criticism was it was hard to see everything, since there was like 8 parallel trakc.s 20:10:46 <bconoboy> that's a lot of tracks 20:10:48 <kylem__> but that's not really fixable unless i clone myself a few times. 20:11:57 <bconoboy> so... any decisions get made? anybody on the hook for anything? 20:11:59 <dgilmore> if there was only 2 or 3 tracks chances are higher there is nothing of interest 20:12:07 <kylem__> me and probinson finally got to connect on a lot of kernel stuff too, which was good 20:12:28 <dgilmore> bconoboy: nothing really new 20:12:30 <kylem__> i also talked to npmcallum about the replacement for smolt and collecting data from arm systems 20:12:49 <bconoboy> #info Vulcan mind meld between kylem and pbrobinson for kernel maint plans 20:13:01 <dgilmore> going to look at enabling grub, though we still need cmd_pxe enabled for pxe booting 20:13:12 <bconoboy> enabling grub would be great 20:13:52 <dgilmore> kylem__: that would be nice, smolt worked at one point but people broke it for not x86 at some point 20:14:19 <dgilmore> they made it only work with dmidecode 20:14:21 <kylem__> yeah, i'm going to write some python to collect hw details 20:14:30 <kylem__> anyway, that's a tangent 20:15:29 <dgilmore> there was no huge new things as to f20 things to do 20:15:52 <bconoboy> #info Possible development pursuits include enabling grub and the new smolt replacement- these are probably f21+ activities 20:16:30 <pwhalen> #link FLOCK Talks - http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_p--G_ebsrR4kA4zpqLSTw 20:17:19 <pwhalen> #topic 5) Open Floor 20:17:46 <pwhalen> anything else for today? 20:18:20 <bconoboy> crickets 20:18:54 <masta> =) 20:18:54 * pwhalen hears crickets too 20:19:02 <pwhalen> going once.. 20:19:16 <pwhalen> #endmeeting