21:00:26 <pwhalen> #startmeeting Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 21:00:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 6 21:00:26 2013 UTC. The chair is pwhalen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:26 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:26 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore 21:00:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: bconoboy ctyler dgilmore jonmasters pbrobinson pwhalen 21:00:32 <pwhalen> .fas pwhalen 21:00:33 <zodbot> pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' <pwhalen@redhat.com> 21:00:44 <masta> hello 21:00:44 <pwhalen> good afternoon all 21:00:46 <dmarlin> .fas dmarlin 21:00:47 <zodbot> dmarlin: dmarlin 'David A. Marlin' <dmarlin@redhat.com> 21:00:48 <masta> .fas parasense 21:00:50 <zodbot> masta: parasense 'Jon Disnard' <jdisnard@gmail.com> 21:00:51 <jcapik> .fas jcapik 21:00:53 <zodbot> jcapik: jcapik 'Jaromír Cápík' <jcapik@redhat.com> 21:01:15 * j_dulaney waves 21:01:38 <bconoboy> .fas blc@ 21:01:39 <zodbot> bconoboy: blc '' <blc@redhat.com> 21:02:01 <ctyler> .fas chris@tylers.info 21:02:02 * ctyler tips his hat, sits down at the third seat on the left side of the conference table with a large Tim Horton's double-double. 21:02:04 <zodbot> ctyler: ctyler 'Chris Tyler' <chris@tylers.info> 21:02:11 <pwhalen> #topic 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 21:02:32 <bconoboy> what'd we agree to last week? :-) 21:02:35 <pwhalen> #link action items - http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-23/fedora-meeting-1.2013-01-23-21.01.html 21:03:07 <pwhalen> I've pinged everyone, looks like its pretty much done or on the agenda this week 21:03:23 <bconoboy> shall we record what was completed or not completed? 21:03:32 <bconoboy> I'm thinking anything still pending we want to log so it doesn't get lost 21:03:43 <bconoboy> (llvm jumps out at me) 21:04:20 * ctyler thinks llvm tends to do that 21:04:30 <pwhalen> agreed, pending would llvm, mongodb 21:04:57 <pwhalen> for myself, I need to organize a meeting to get the documentation from fudcon going 21:05:54 <pwhalen> masta, did you want to update us on ltrace? 21:06:37 <masta> hey there, unfortunatly I have not tested Petr'slatest hotness, but supposedly it should be working 21:06:59 <masta> we realyl want that tool to help troubleshoot issues in ARM, things liekthe recent polkit 21:07:03 <bconoboy> #action masta to test new ltrace package with potential arm fixes 21:07:09 <masta> I'll get a mock build done tonight and run some tests 21:07:25 <bconoboy> #action jonmasters still on the hook for mongodb and an llvm update 21:08:29 <bconoboy> anything else? 21:08:58 <pwhalen> I'm adding the 'secret decoder ring' document jsmith put together to the end of the meeting (time permitting) 21:09:21 <pwhalen> Peter and I spoke about the package list, there isn't one currently, but we'll revisit that 21:09:35 <pwhalen> nothing from me 21:09:42 <seano> a list of broken packages? 21:09:48 <bconoboy> #action pwhalen to work on 'secret decoder ring' document 21:10:03 <bconoboy> #action pwhalen & pbrobinson to continue work on broken package list (not yet available) 21:10:14 <pwhalen> I would like some input on that, as well as enroll some help with the pages we're to create, the list is long 21:10:47 <pwhalen> alright, next? 21:10:52 <seano> A lot of the stuff I saw, I had seen a lot of it previously on the website.. 21:11:14 <seano> just not all in one spot.. 21:11:37 <pwhalen> that encouraging, I do imagine it needs a refresh as well.. 21:11:45 <pwhalen> #topic 1) Problem packages 21:12:12 <bconoboy> There appear to still be issues with eclipse and webkitgtk3 21:12:46 <bconoboy> There is also a bug in glibc that codonell is working on that results in some shared libraries not being found 21:13:14 <bconoboy> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905184 21:13:31 <bconoboy> #link Bug in glibc preventing ld.so.cache from working correctly https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905184 21:13:48 <bconoboy> we should have a fix later today- we'll want to an updated f18 glibc for this 21:14:12 <bconoboy> anything that relies on ld.so.conf.d but hasn't been rebuilt since Halloween is affected 21:14:42 <pwhalen> afaik Peter needed to test the patch for webkitgtk3, he had some concerns the issue had not been fixed as the upstream bug was still open, and enabling could causing crashing rather then slowness 21:14:46 <pwhalen> but it was on his todo list 21:15:03 <bconoboy> for webkitgtk3 there's two possible solutions: 21:15:20 <bconoboy> 1. Turn JIT on. It compiles with JIT on. But we don't know how stable it is. That would require testing 21:15:42 <bconoboy> 2. Take the patch proposed by the Fedora PPC team. It will also allow the package to compile, and leaves the JIT off 21:16:04 <bconoboy> (We know it works without JIT) 21:16:22 <pwhalen> #2 sounds good for now, until we test #1 21:16:35 <seano> the problem with the patch is stability, or just not accepted upstream yet? 21:16:41 <ctyler> Do we have reason to suspect the JIT doesn't work? There's potentially a significant performance difference. 21:17:46 <pwhalen> historically it hasnt, caused crashes iiuc 21:18:18 <bconoboy> It crashed with gmail back in the day when JIT was turned on 21:18:30 <bconoboy> It's really time to test it again 21:18:35 <bconoboy> perhaps we could get a volunteer 21:18:51 <pwhalen> sure! 21:18:56 <ctyler> Is there a reduced test case or test plan available? 21:19:21 <seano> one that can add jazelle support to jit too? :) 21:19:42 <ctyler> Jazelle is dead... 21:19:49 <bconoboy> I'll provide a jit-enabled webkitgtk3 for armv7l to anybody who wants one. You'll have to run a web browser that uses this library, then visit some javascript heavy websites and see what happens when you use them. Gmail is a good test. 21:20:00 <seano> i thought it was included int he A15's even.. 21:20:06 <pwhalen> bconoboy, sounds good, I'll take a look 21:20:20 <bconoboy> #action bconoboy to provide pwhalen with JIT-enabled webkitgtk3 21:20:36 <bconoboy> #action pwhalen to test JIT-enabled webkitgtk3 library on javascript-heavy web sites 21:21:32 <pwhalen> and eclipse? 21:21:45 <pwhalen> is that being looked at? 21:21:50 <bconoboy> just got an update on that 21:22:08 <bconoboy> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863801 should fix eclipse build issue 21:22:20 <bconoboy> so, that's it! 21:22:27 <bconoboy> (from me anyway) 21:22:29 <seano> ctyler: jazelle is in the a15 multicores.. 21:22:38 <pwhalen> excellent, anything else? 21:22:56 <pwhalen> #topic 2) Wiki Gardening - removing outdated content 21:23:28 <bconoboy> Many wiki pages reference Fedora 17 being the latest release 21:23:34 <ctyler> saeno: the armv7-A profile doesn't require it afaik, the attention shifted to thumbEE 21:23:42 <bconoboy> This is no longer accurate 21:23:44 <pwhalen> in general it would be great if folks could go over our wiki, remove outdated content, point to f18 instead of previous releases 21:24:16 <ctyler> I noticed that some of the PA pages use a template for current release -- should we be doing the same? 21:24:22 <bconoboy> pwhalen: Perhaps a vfad day for this would be in order, make sure we set aside some time for it 21:24:45 <pwhalen> bconoboy, agreed, so we should also talk about the content additions suggested by jsmith 21:24:52 <pwhalen> as we discussed at fudcon 21:25:09 <seano> should probably be done at the same time.. 21:25:16 <seano> or first.. 21:25:29 <pwhalen> #link "secret decoder ring" doc - http://piratepad.net/L1jH2TLCBO 21:25:31 <seano> along with the secret decoder ring page.. 21:25:53 <pwhalen> I'd love to set something up, divide and conquer the pages 21:26:07 <pwhalen> at the same time, plucking the outdated content 21:26:45 <bconoboy> #action s/17/18 on those fedora-arm wiki pages, everybody 21:27:06 <bconoboy> yes, much plucking - we want to move as much as we can to the main fedora wiki 21:27:10 <pwhalen> who's on board for some documentation vfad'in? and when would we like to do it ? 21:28:10 * ctyler is in if it's next week 21:28:19 * pwhalen hears crickets 21:29:04 <seano> Next week works better for me.. 21:29:14 * jcapik says me 21:29:16 * bconoboy is in 21:29:20 <pwhalen> how does monday look then? 21:29:26 * dmarlin will help 21:29:30 <bconoboy> mondays are always awful, let's do it! 21:29:36 <pwhalen> :) done 21:29:37 <seano> is there a way to get a list of -all the pages? 21:29:53 <bconoboy> #action pwhalen to organize wiki vfad on monday 21:29:57 <pwhalen> click on the ARM category at the bottom, should list it all 21:30:23 <seano> should we just make a new page, and have all the pages listed and we can check off which ones were loooked it? 21:30:32 <pwhalen> *if* the category was added to the page when it was made 21:31:04 <bconoboy> seano: Let's just call out what page we're working on in channel on monday 21:31:16 <pwhalen> sounds like a reasonable idea, also look over the content to see if its needed, needs refresh etc 21:31:28 <seano> we are still going to need to keep track of it. 21:31:42 <seano> then write a bot script :) 21:32:27 <pwhalen> alright, next? 21:32:55 <pwhalen> #topic 3) Mass Rebuild - scheduling for ARM 21:33:31 <pwhalen> I think we may be missing the key folks for this one... 21:33:51 <ctyler> What's the latest word on (a) PHX2 and (b) PA mass rebuild? 21:34:05 <pwhalen> hub and db are ready to go 21:34:22 <bconoboy> PHX2: ARM hardware has arrived, but isn't racked yet 21:34:29 <pwhalen> the builders last I heard were going to be racked and a note dropped in channel as to when that was completed 21:34:29 <bconoboy> There is a ticket open for it to be racked. No ETA yet. 21:35:43 <pwhalen> anything to be discussed? 21:36:17 <seano> if i lived close to pheonix i would go do it lol :) 21:36:23 <ctyler> >>crickets<< 21:36:32 <bconoboy> #info waiting on builders to be racked in PHX 21:36:34 * nirik continues to bug people to get it racked/networked. ;) 21:36:52 <bconoboy> nirik: is there any way to speed things up? 21:36:53 <pwhalen> thanks! 21:36:54 <masta> I thought hte mass rebuild was dellayed so those could be racked 21:36:59 <masta> *the 21:37:03 <bconoboy> is that why it was delayed? 21:37:20 <seano> that is kind of what i thought too. 21:37:20 * dmarlin thinks unlikely 21:37:27 <nirik> bconoboy: not sure. There's other work ongoing out there, so most of the onsite people are doing that... I'm trying to get as much info as I can. 21:37:28 <seano> although I didn't know it was delayed. 21:37:35 <nirik> one of the reasons, yeah 21:37:45 <ctyler> well, dgilmore is also the one who usually drives the MRs 21:37:54 <masta> exactly 21:38:12 <seano> i heard dgilmore had to go home on family biz. 21:38:24 <nirik> we were hoping it could be ready in time for primary so they could both be done at the same time. ;) 21:38:27 <seano> but that was 3rd party from an irc channel 21:38:29 <nirik> but we will see. 21:38:35 <masta> he's been silent lately 21:38:49 <ctyler> masta: yes, he's back in AUS 21:39:00 <bconoboy> nirik: who is going to drive the mass rebuild? 21:39:12 <nirik> dgilmore. 21:39:15 <bconoboy> okay 21:39:27 <seano> does he have a co-pilot? 21:39:37 <bconoboy> should we have contingency builders setup in HSV if the PHX stuff doesn't get racked in time? 21:39:42 * nirik will be happy to help too. 21:39:58 <pwhalen> that may be a good idea 21:40:10 <nirik> possibly. I still hold out hope we can get the new stuff in place, but time is getting low. 21:40:10 <bconoboy> We can throw a dozen or two hosts at it if needed 21:40:16 <seano> I think we need a copilot.. and a continegency plan.. 21:40:39 <nirik> ok. I think the hub/db are all set, so we could use remote builders if need be 21:41:34 <ctyler> we'd need to cut over to the PHX2 hub/db, a point the HSV builders at it 21:41:42 <ctyler> a/ a / and / 21:42:20 <nirik> yeah. 21:42:50 <bconoboy> The actual transition from seneca to phx2 for hub/db is goign to be tricky- need dgilmore for that too, no? 21:43:55 <nirik> yeah, likely so. 21:44:05 <nirik> he's out today, but should be back tomorrow. 21:44:13 <nirik> (his tomorrow, our later tonight) 21:44:15 <ctyler> There are some pieces that are still tribal knowledge, like the updating of the user/package lists (which is pushed from somewhere in infra), so doing it without Dennis would likely be a slow go. 21:44:32 * ctyler would really like to see everything documented 21:44:36 <pwhalen> isnt that all in the db? 21:44:49 <nirik> that script lives in fedora infrastructure, I can change that. it just points to the dns for it tho I think. 21:45:07 <nirik> there's a script that syncs that info to all the koji hubs. 21:45:07 <ctyler> pwhalen: there's a push from FAS2 or somewhere on a regular basis to update that data 21:45:32 <seano> it needs to be documented 21:45:45 <nirik> it should just change anytime dns is changed. 21:46:14 <seano> you can hardset the dns to see if it works. 21:46:40 <nirik> I wouldn't want to change it until we change the hub 21:47:12 <seano> i meant to test just change it in /etc/hosts. 21:47:18 <nirik> it just uses 'arm.koji.fedoraproject.org', so when dns changes it should follow fine. 21:47:25 <bconoboy> I think we need to ask dgilmore to send an update to the list when he's free 21:47:31 <nirik> sure. 21:48:02 <bconoboy> #info Red Hat can provide auxiliary builders if needed to handle mass rbuild 21:48:08 <nirik> the big things on moving hub would be: stop all builds/shutdown current hub, db dump/import? then change dns. 21:48:34 <pwhalen> final rsync on mnt/koji 21:48:45 <bconoboy> #info dgilmore to manage koji transition (please send email with plan to list) 21:49:07 * nirik nods, yeah. 21:49:27 <pwhalen> alright, shall we move on? 21:49:47 <pwhalen> #topic 4) Your topic here! 21:50:07 <pwhalen> thanks for the update nirik 21:51:39 <bconoboy> I have one 21:51:48 <bconoboy> Fedora 18 is out- You are all awesome for chipping in. Thank you! 21:52:05 <pwhalen> our new 3.7 kernels lack the audit config changes, when your f18 system is updated, you'll lose the fix. I let Peter know, new build is pending 21:52:24 <bconoboy> #info Current 3.7 kernel shows pkexec regression- new build is pending 21:52:44 <masta> it's ok 21:52:50 <bconoboy> #info F18 ARM is out- #fedora-arm victory lap! 21:52:57 <pwhalen> \o/ 21:53:05 * masta high fives everyone in the team 21:53:49 <pwhalen> anything of note on the release? anyone have issues? 21:54:15 <seano> im having network issues 21:54:17 <seano> :) 21:54:21 <pwhalen> we discussed changing the fstab on the rootfs tarball, not sure if everyone saw 21:54:29 <pwhalen> seano, which image? what happens? 21:54:31 <bconoboy> did we get resolution? 21:54:38 <pwhalen> we didnt 21:54:47 <seano> armv5, and i also had some weird reversion after reboot 21:56:26 <seano> i either have media problems, or there is something funky with I would guess shutdown and journaling.. 21:56:27 <masta> the rootfs tarball should have LABEL=rootfs, as a generic 21:56:39 <bconoboy> +1 21:56:56 <bconoboy> anything for /boot or /boot/uboot should probably be removed too. They're not necessarily needed 21:57:21 <pwhalen_> sorry, I dropped and missed the last comment (if any) 21:58:02 <masta> pwhalen_: removing all fstab entries except rootfs 21:58:14 <pwhalen_> so change to use a label? 21:58:33 <dmarlin> so what happens when the internal drive/ssd is using LABEL=rootfs ? 21:58:45 <dmarlin> conflict 21:58:47 <seano> dmarlin you get a mix up. :) 21:58:53 <dmarlin> *nod* 21:59:02 <dmarlin> bad choice, IMO 21:59:04 <bconoboy> how about LABEL=remixrootfs 21:59:13 <masta> pwhalen_: I'd say so, it's the most generic thing to have... of course the consumers of this tarball will have to make their own changes.... 21:59:31 <dmarlin> bconoboy: why not just document what people need to do to use these, including adding an fstab? 21:59:33 <masta> bconoboy: +1 21:59:36 <pwhalen_> I think, we should leave it as is and document it 21:59:42 <seano> that should just be a documented thing.. 21:59:45 <bconoboy> or we could make it a broken fstab file, don't say LABEL=anything, instead say "ROOTDEVGOESHERE" 21:59:45 <masta> we are just sending a msg to the remix creator 21:59:54 <seano> renaming rootfs might cause other issues. 22:00:05 <pwhalen_> reason being is, it will need to be changed, and wont require additional scripting on the tool 22:00:19 <masta> sure 22:00:33 <bconoboy> dmarlin: that'd work too. It looks like pty and stuff doesn't there any longer 22:00:49 <dmarlin> bconoboy: right 22:01:00 <ctyler> Do we even need a root entry? 22:01:13 * dmarlin does not think so... not to boot 22:01:17 <masta> ok folks, got to run off now... will read the logs for the ending 22:01:21 <seano> i think to shutdown you do 22:01:32 <ctyler> seano: to shutdown?? 22:01:36 <dmarlin> ? 22:01:44 <seano> umounting filesystems.. 22:02:08 <ctyler> well, if you can shutdown with a bad fstab, then it wouldn't seem to matter 22:02:33 <seano> i can't remember if it will shutdown cleanly. 22:03:48 <seano> and it seems like the kernel reads it when it remounts rw.. because you can add mounting options there 22:05:37 <pwhalen_> anything else folks? 22:06:49 <bconoboy> not I 22:08:17 <seano> not i.. 22:08:19 <pwhalen_> #endmeeting 22:08:27 <bconoboy> #endmeeting