21:01:28 #startmeeting Fedora ARM weekly status progress sync meeting of awesomeness! Yes! 21:01:28 Meeting started Wed Dec 19 21:01:28 2012 UTC. The chair is jonmasters. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:01:35 .fas2 chris@tylers.info 21:01:35 * ctyler waves 21:01:38 .fas dmarlin 21:01:38 dmarlin: dmarlin 'David A. Marlin' 21:01:46 .fas chris@tylers.info 21:01:46 ctyler: ctyler 'Chris Tyler' 21:01:50 .fas agreene 21:01:52 .fas darthjava 21:01:53 agreene_: tag4fedora 'Tim Greene' - agreene 'Andrew Greene' 21:01:56 DarthJava: darthjava 'Dmitry Kozunov' 21:01:58 .fas Frojoe 21:01:59 Frojoe: jacwang 'Jordan Cwang' - burningfool 'Jordan Cwang' 21:02:10 .fas ahs3 21:02:10 ahs3: ahs3 'Al Stone' 21:02:27 #chair ctyler dmarlin agreene_ DarthJava dgilmore ahs3 Frojoe fossjon jsmith pwhalen spot bconoboy 21:02:27 Current chairs: DarthJava Frojoe agreene_ ahs3 bconoboy ctyler dgilmore dmarlin fossjon jonmasters jsmith pwhalen spot 21:03:30 #chair ctyler dmarlin agreene_ DarthJava dgilmore ahs3 Frojoe fossjon jsmith pwhalen spot bconoboy 21:03:30 Current chairs: DarthJava Frojoe agreene_ ahs3 bconoboy ctyler dgilmore dmarlin fossjon jonmasters jsmith pwhalen spot 21:03:35 .fas jonmasters 21:03:36 .fas jsmith 21:03:38 .fas blc@ 21:03:44 jonmasters: jcm 'Jon Masters' 21:03:48 jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' - mikejsmith11 'Mike J. Smith ' 21:03:51 bconoboy: blc '' 21:04:11 let's do this thing everyone! woo! 21:04:20 #topic ) Fedora 18 beta preparation for TC3 21:04:28 - David Marlin and Brendan to update us on images, VFAD 21:04:33 dmarlin: where do we stand? 21:04:44 dmarlin: you got the updated kernel built, images copying over to scotland via bconoboy ? 21:04:55 tc3 images are on scotland now 21:05:09 jonmasters: new kernel built, images created and copied to scotland. email sent to the list 21:05:38 okie dokey then 21:05:40 jonmasters: initial testing looks good (vexpress, trimslice, and panda all boot) 21:05:52 so...what do we need to do? We need a VFAD scheduled for tomorrow 21:05:55 and what else? 21:05:59 * masta waves 21:06:00 #chair ctyler dmarlin agreene_ DarthJava dgilmore ahs3 Frojoe fossjon jsmith pwhalen spot bconoboy masta 21:06:00 Current chairs: DarthJava Frojoe agreene_ ahs3 bconoboy ctyler dgilmore dmarlin fossjon jonmasters jsmith masta pwhalen spot 21:06:11 dmarlin: anything I can test this afternoon? 21:06:29 jonmasters: I think that's it. vfad to test the image, record the results, and if all good, push it out 21:06:56 #chair ctyler dmarlin agreene_ DarthJava dgilmore ahs3 Frojoe fossjon jsmith pwhalen spot bconoboy masta j_dulaney 21:06:56 Current chairs: DarthJava Frojoe agreene_ ahs3 bconoboy ctyler dgilmore dmarlin fossjon j_dulaney jonmasters jsmith masta pwhalen spot 21:07:06 jonmasters: the images are all there, so any testing is appreciated 21:07:09 we need a chairbot 21:07:09 dmarlin: ok, so shall I test guru tonight? 21:07:12 * j_dulaney waves 21:07:18 jonmasters: please 21:07:20 jonmasters, we're gonna run out of chairs 21:07:21 consider it done 21:07:24 #info TC3 images are on scotland awaiting testing 21:07:28 * masta will test panda in a few minutes 21:07:30 #action jonmasters to test guruplug image 21:07:31 what needs particular love? 21:07:34 #action masta to test panda image 21:07:40 #action dmarlin to run VFAD tomorrow 21:07:51 #action tomorrow means Thu Dec 20 2012 21:08:07 #undo 21:08:07 Removing item from minutes: 21:08:14 #info VFAD tomorrow means Thu Dec 20 2012 21:08:28 need to squeeze it before end of the world 21:08:36 :) 21:08:46 Ok, if it works, we're calling this.... 21:09:02 #info Fedora 18 ARM Beta to be called "End of the World" release 21:09:14 +1 21:09:18 :) 21:09:40 ok then, so dmarlin you're all set on the VFAD...what other platforms need testing love? 21:10:13 trimslice ? 21:10:14 jonmasters: we can have multiple tests per platform... more eyes to catch things 21:10:33 masta: sure. I tested on mine, but more is better 21:11:05 ok, so you have tested highbank, trimslice, and Panda (not ES) 21:11:25 what else is on our ship list? 21:11:25 jonmasters: I have personally tested trimslice, and will test highbank 21:11:33 jonmasters: I have no panda 21:11:40 ok, who tested panda? 21:11:45 pwhalen 21:11:48 ok 21:12:01 #link http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/vault/f18-beta-tc3/ 21:12:07 do we know if he tested an ES or a regular panda? 21:12:11 I think he has an ES now? 21:12:12 #info those are the tc3 images 21:12:12 jonmasters: and anyone can test vexpress (with and without xfce) 21:12:23 jonmasters: non-ES 21:12:29 ok, so ES needs testing. 21:12:38 * masta will test the ES 21:12:38 #info jonmasters to test PandaBoard ES also 21:12:54 #info masta to test PandaBoard ES also also 21:12:59 jinx :) 21:13:08 ok, so that's that...moving on? 21:13:26 #topic 0.5) Multiplatform kernels and F19 followup 21:13:47 Just a quick note that we tracked down the problem with multiplatform kernels (highbank not booting) in F19 21:14:02 #info F19 3.7 kernel issue has been tracked down 21:14:05 the issue is that errata workarounds in multiplatform kernels will need to be disabled 21:14:22 upstream is going to do that, we'll rely on bootloaders and PI software to set this up 21:14:29 (PI == Platform Initialization) 21:14:30 #info Some kernel errata are not compatible with multiplatform kernels 21:14:51 some errata are still needed, indeed. For example the PL310 errata we isolated in the highbank kernel 21:15:15 highbank doesn't crash now, but doesn't boot either. F19 mutiplatform needs love 21:15:36 #info jonmasters is on the hook for reviewing kernel configs and giving multiplatform some love (already agreed with pbrobinson) 21:15:45 #info long term, errata need to be made multi-platform compliant, or handled by the bootloader and/or platform initialization software 21:16:08 #info with the exception that some run-time errata are still needed, in-kernel, but limited 21:16:26 so the errat stuff goes into a dtb of the impacted boards? 21:16:34 ok. So anyway. We'll do some F19 kernel poking. Anyone got any other thoughts? 21:16:36 just trying to understand 21:16:57 masta: sadly not. The errata is usually low-level code that matches on certain chip versions and hacks up some registers at boot time 21:17:10 masta: so instead, U-Boot, or Tianocore (UEFI) will setup these hacks 21:17:26 yuck 21:17:26 masta: because on some platforms (e.g. on highbank) it is not allowed for the kernel to poke at these things 21:17:44 ok thanks for explaining that 21:18:01 masta: yea, I can walk through exactly what was wrong on #fedora-arm too. I realize it would help if I explained it 21:18:13 I'll do that after this meeting rather than being an arrogant big head about this stuff ;) 21:18:20 * j_dulaney was wondering how difficult it would be to put the errata that needs to stay in-kernel into kernel modules? 21:18:32 j_dulaney: sadly not possible, it's too low-level 21:18:37 Ah 21:18:46 j_dulaney: I'll walk through errata on #fedora-arm in 40 minutes or less 21:18:53 we'll have a quick tech session and I'll explain it 21:18:55 Roger 21:19:17 ok...anyone else got anything on the F19 radar? kernel, boot, etc.? not build - that's next 21:19:22 jonmasters: it'd be cool if such a discussion were summarized on the list afterward 21:19:27 bconoboy: absolutely 21:19:44 bconoboy: it'd also be cool if a certain someone's book ever got finished... ;) 21:19:52 ok, moving on time I guess 21:19:59 #topic Current Problem packages 21:20:05 So Peter sent out an update 21:20:17 Ruby and Eclipse 21:20:28 I knew about Ruby, didn't realize Eclipse was dying 21:20:47 sounds like the latter can be fixed with some Koji prodding 21:20:56 I'll update the HSV hosts with the longer timeout. 21:21:06 #action bconoboy to adjust timeout of hsv build hosts 21:21:13 somebody at seneca should do the same for their builders 21:21:16 #info jonmasters tracked down the build system issue with createrepo and produced a hotfix that is now in production on the build system 21:21:27 ok, cool 21:21:38 ctyler: who can fix the hosts at seneca? 21:21:46 Ruby we need to figure out 21:21:57 is there a bz on ruby? 21:22:11 #info Eclipse is failing to build because of 24hr builder timeout, to be fixed per above 21:22:13 bconoboy: the longer timeout? it's in place (7d) 21:22:15 nope....so.... 21:22:24 ctyler: Okay, maybe just the hsv hosts need it then 21:22:27 #info bconoboy roped into pinging pbrobinson to track down Ruby BZ 21:22:39 blast! 21:22:41 :) 21:22:55 for texlive we'll address at FUDCon 21:23:07 I see something called rubygem? is that the problem build? 21:23:09 I'm inclined to leave the build system alone until then and manually import if needed over the holidays 21:23:24 ctyler: on a related note, when is Seneca shutdown for the holidays? 21:23:44 ctyler: and should we do any backups or other activities prior to then? 21:24:03 jonmasters: I sent a note on this the other day 21:24:12 Campus is closed dec 22 - jan 1 21:24:23 I've made arrangements to come in for reboots etc. if required 21:24:35 Will keep a loose eye on things through the closure. 21:24:41 excellent...all the more reason for folks to enjoy their holidays 21:24:53 I've already told our guys if I see them on IRC too much I'm going to moan :) 21:24:57 we have icinga running for monitoring to 21:25:07 let's try to get beta out this week and then enjoy a calm week next week 21:25:15 BTW, the power shutdown I had in my note for Dec 28 is cancelled (well, for this building) so the systems will stay up, though there may be intermittent connectivity 21:25:36 let's make sure Peter explciitly knows that 21:25:41 just so it doesn't come as a surprise 21:25:55 ok, so we're done on this topic? 21:26:03 I'll poke pbr 21:26:05 moving on... 21:26:11 #topic 2) FUDCon and PA planning 21:26:17 so, FUDCon 21:26:22 ...is aweseom 21:26:25 awesome 21:26:29 Man, wish I could go to fudcon 21:26:30 ...and is also coming up very soon 21:26:44 Frojoe: I wasn't aware you couldn't 21:26:54 Last week we heard masta, jonmasters, ahs3, pwhalen, and dgilmore would be there.... who else? 21:27:00 Frojoe: Why not? 21:27:05 * j_dulaney will be there 21:27:13 Frojoe: might be too late to get funding now...but ping me and I'll poke spot for you 21:27:14 * ctyler notes Froejoe starts new work RSN 21:27:19 ah 21:27:32 so that's it. Alrighty then 21:27:37 bconoboy: ctyler, oatley, and fossjon also coming 21:27:56 well for FUDCon...we've got two things to focus on 21:28:12 1). Build system. We'll have hardware from Calxeda there. And an update on timing for PHX 21:28:19 2). Primary Arch 21:28:37 The former I think we can more or less assume is in hand. It's the latter that we should plan more for 21:28:40 what do we need to do there? 21:28:56 #info ARM attendee list: masta, jonmasters, ahs3, pwhalen, dgilmore, bconoboy, ctyler, oatley, fossjon 21:29:08 * j_dulaney can represent QA for Primary Arch, although adamw and/or tflink may show up 21:29:19 excellent 21:29:22 #info Topics for fudcon: 1. Build system migration planning 21:29:29 im excited for fudcon again 21:29:34 #info Topics for fudcon: 2. Primary arch push 21:29:58 #info Topics for fudcon: 3. Possible aarch64 hackathon 21:30:00 For primary, there is a need to figure out the timing. F20 is the goal I think. So we need to figure out what we're doing in F19 to get there 21:30:11 remixathon? 21:30:12 #info Topics for fudcon: 4. Possible remixathon 21:30:19 tnx masta ;-) 21:30:32 Are we going to just leave this for FUDCon? Perhaps the thing to do is to email devel@ and encourage folks to participate in a joint session on that 21:30:35 (PA) 21:30:53 jonmasters: possibly also look at PAE/A15 support at FUDcon? 21:31:01 jonmasters: I think you just volunteered 21:31:14 I did indeed! 21:31:24 #topic jonmasters to mail devel@ about how awesome ARM technology is 21:31:29 #undo 21:31:29 Removing item from minutes: 21:31:37 #action jonmasters to mail devel@ about how awesome ARM technology is 21:31:38 :) 21:32:00 #undo 21:32:00 Removing item from minutes: 21:32:01 #topic 2) FUDCon and PA planning 21:32:08 waitwait 21:32:11 Oh, you're no fun 21:32:19 #action jonmasters to mail devel@ about collaboration on PA push 21:32:27 bah, ok, party pooper ;) 21:32:58 :-) 21:32:59 alright then, I guess I'll do that. I reserve the right to claim ARM technology is awesome somewhere in there 21:33:11 well, naturally 21:33:21 now, anything else on this one or shall we just get lots of mailing list threads going and hope this all works out? 21:33:38 Do we have actual sessions setup at FUDCon? It's a barcamp style again, right? 21:33:40 anybody have any other topics to discuss? 21:33:49 do we need to reserve a room at fudcon? 21:33:59 jonmasters: you can put proposed sessions on the wiki to get people thinking in advance 21:34:04 May be a good idea at some point 21:34:12 then let's get all of the three proposed ones on the wiki 21:34:21 who's got that ball....I know what the answer is going to be.... 21:34:43 (it's ok, I've got Van Halen playing loudly here) 21:34:54 #action jonmasters to obtain space for arm hacking at fudcon in advance of event 21:35:10 excellent, where would we be without bconoboy to give me tasks ;) 21:35:27 alright...anything else on FUDCon? 21:35:29 I think suehle might be a good person to tap for the room 21:35:33 I dig this #action button. Need a rubber stamp of it... 21:35:42 :) 21:35:50 bconoboy: I'll get you one 21:36:02 (making a mental note to order some #chair buttons too) 21:36:17 ok, so I guess it's that time.... 21:36:26 #topic 3) Your topic here 21:36:39 So we promised some armv6hl benchmarks. 21:36:45 And we have them 21:36:46 yes! 21:36:48 Courtesy of Frojoe we have http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Raspberry_Pi_-_armv5tel_vs_armv6hl_Benchmarks 21:37:01 #link Raspberry pi armv6hl benchmarks http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Raspberry_Pi_-_armv5tel_vs_armv6hl_Benchmarks 21:37:24 great, that's pretty compelling stuff 21:37:33 we should discuss the fate of v5 at FUDCon 21:37:52 Sounds like a plan. 21:37:59 * jonmasters notes that I bought another cheap ARMv7 board with 1GB RAM and a Cortex-A8 for $35 21:38:11 Also, we want to schedule downtime for the 1.7.1 update that we didn't do because the createrepo issue was more pressing and a blocker. 21:38:12 so really, you know, v5 is done. v6 is ok for the Pi, but v5 is done 21:38:24 ctyler: is this for japan? 21:38:33 ctyler: I suggest no downtime scheduled until after the holidays 21:38:39 ctyler: probably just wait for FUDCon? 21:38:43 bconoboy: japan is up and running with 1.7.1 21:38:58 jonmasters: why wait for FUDCon? 21:39:03 I was thinking week of Jan 7. 21:39:07 ok, fair enough 21:39:14 let's make sure everyone is co-ordinated on that 21:39:29 ctyler: did you migrate japan to 1.7.1 from the same starting point that hongkong/etc is on now? 21:39:35 #action Koji upgrade tentatively planned for week of Jan 7 21:39:46 #undo 21:39:46 Removing item from minutes: 21:39:51 #action Koji upgrade tentatively planned for week of Jan 7 (ctyler et al) 21:39:56 what is the impact statement of the update? any risks? 21:40:04 bconoboy: No, but we've done the first part of that migration before and are solid with it. 21:40:05 yea, all the builders need updating 21:40:23 (at the same time - see my "both keys at the same time?" superman joke from the other day) 21:40:27 jonmasters, f17 is a mite crashy on pandaboards being used as builders 21:40:53 Frojoe: it's ok, we'll have some yummy Calxeda hardware soon enough to add 21:41:01 mmmm....calxeda 21:41:08 it only sounds like a kind of pizza 21:41:16 masta: It (should) give us faster results upload-to-hub and hopefully the ability to rebuild texlive as they seem to want to do every 10 days. 21:41:18 frojoe: F17 kernels are crashing on panda? is that normal? 21:41:40 Frojoe: if you get a backtrace...send it my way 21:41:50 any weird kernel problems, please ping me. I'm a trained monkey 21:41:50 I'm not sure. ctyler suggested using an f18 kernel with an f17 rootfs, but pwhalen suggested just using an f18 roots 21:42:07 f18 toolchain was borked and I got sidetracked with other stuff 21:42:13 * jonmasters makes monkey sounds...be glad you can't hear me 21:42:16 They're lockups, not backtraces 21:42:37 frojoe: let's discuss details in #fedora-arm, this shouldn't be happening 21:43:20 Also, as this is my last day working at cdot. Imma miss you guys! 21:43:42 * ctyler kicks Frojoe out the nest and into Real World. 21:43:50 Frojoe: you're still on the holiday gift list :) 21:44:09 If you want a room at FUDCon, please put a ticket in the trac 21:44:15 Frojoe: you don't have to stop, fedora-arm will always be here 21:44:28 * jonmasters would like to share that I've gotten approval to buy the core Fedora ARM folks at CDOT a small token of our appreciation for the holidays...working with ctyler on that 21:44:41 In related news, Andrew Oatley-Willis will be joining us Jan 3. 21:44:47 (nick oatley) 21:44:56 great! 21:45:22 * jonmasters reports that I am now elected to the Linaro TSC to represent the Linaro Enterprise Group 21:45:40 suehle: which trac is that? 21:45:40 so come the new year, I am a representative into core Linaro 21:45:42 Yay jonmasters! 21:46:01 masta, https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ 21:46:09 Coolio 21:47:13 woot 21:47:47 so the room, anybody have thoughts on this? reserve one for each day of the event? 21:47:50 ok, so, on the new folks front let me also remind everyone that we've got ahs3 and fuwei joining Linaro as Red Hat asignees next month 21:48:05 (they'll be helping make ARM servers running Fedora rock) 21:48:20 * j_dulaney is semi-new to this Arm thing 21:48:35 j_dulaney: we have ARMs, LEGs, THUMBs, heck even WRISTs 21:49:01 I hear Linaro is a Canonical refuge camp, will be nice to have some fedora people in there :) 21:49:14 (WRIST - Wide Register Instruction SeT. Never went anywhere) 21:49:47 masta: we're helping with the neutrality. Linaro is awesome. It's not distro specific. It's going to do even more cool stuff once we have Fedora more integrated 21:50:34 masta: I think reserve a room for each day for ARM 21:50:45 masta: let's have an ARM room and then also have some cross-over sessions 21:50:50 we'll need one specifically arranged on PA 21:51:12 it was nice to see the CTO from Linaro running fedora on his chromebook... and communicatign with our list 21:51:14 otherwise I think we can have folks drop-in, and we should review other sessions to send people over to them so we're not just an insular sub-conference 21:51:22 masta: yea, Dave is awesome 21:51:37 masta: he wrote the original PCI support in Linux btw 21:51:41 it's a little known fact that Dave is jonmasters adoptive father ;-) 21:51:57 it's also a little known fact that my mom taught his son at school! 21:52:00 (true) 21:52:02 #action masta to book a room for fedora-arm at Fudcon 21:52:08 hey, that might actually be a fact, mine was totally false. 21:52:16 these used to be little-known facts, apparently 21:52:16 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ 21:52:26 oh I dunno, I wouldn't dispute your comment out of hand ;) 21:52:54 anyway....so....let's get a room for FUDCon 21:53:16 masta: you got the ball? 21:53:34 jonmasters: yep... I got to have something to do around here :) 21:53:38 * ctyler hears, "Jon - I *am* your father" *pfft* *whooosh* *pfft* *whooosh* 21:53:48 ok, I'll send the email about stuff, you book stuff, we'll co-ordinate 21:54:10 any other business? We are *dangerously* close to finishing this meeting within an hour 21:54:17 this will never do 21:54:40 meetbot might crash if we do 21:54:41 (aside, is it only me who can no longer read "do" without thinking "LEAVE do"?) 21:54:58 yes, just you jonmasters 21:55:01 call it, man 21:55:06 ok 21:55:10 #endmeeting