20:00:32 <pwhalen> #startmeeting 20:00:32 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 26 20:00:32 2012 UTC. The chair is pwhalen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:32 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:32 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore 20:00:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: bconoboy ctyler dgilmore jonmasters pbrobinson pwhalen 20:00:37 <jcapik> .fas jcapik 20:00:38 <zodbot> jcapik: jcapik 'Jaromír Cápík' <jcapik@redhat.com> 20:00:42 <pwhalen> good afternoon guys 20:00:43 <djdelorie> .fas djdelorie 20:00:43 <zodbot> djdelorie: djdelorie 'DJ Delorie' <dj@redhat.com> 20:00:44 <ctyler> .fas chris@tylers.info 20:00:46 <zodbot> ctyler: ctyler 'Chris Tyler' <chris@tylers.info> 20:00:48 * masta here 20:00:49 <pwhalen> .fas pwhalen 20:00:49 <zodbot> pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' <pwhalen@redhat.com> 20:00:57 <masta> .fas parasense 20:00:58 <zodbot> masta: parasense 'Jon Disnard' <jdisnard@gmail.com> 20:01:01 <Frojoe> .fas frojoe 20:01:02 <zodbot> Frojoe: jacwang 'Jordan Cwang' <jordan.cwang@gmail.com> - burningfool 'Jordan Cwang' <frojoe.21@gmail.com> 20:01:10 <DarthJava> .fas darthjava 20:01:10 <zodbot> DarthJava: darthjava 'Dmitry Kozunov' <dmitry.kozunov@senecac.on.ca> 20:01:42 <dmarlin> .fas dmarlin 20:01:43 <zodbot> dmarlin: dmarlin 'David A. Marlin' <dmarlin@redhat.com> 20:02:16 <ahs3> .fas ahs3 20:02:16 <zodbot> ahs3: 'ahs3' Not Found! 20:02:16 <pwhalen> #topic 1) F18/19 Build status - problem packages 20:02:23 <ahs3> :) 20:03:00 <masta> we got glibc sorted out 20:03:07 <pwhalen> is anyone aware of our current blockers for f18/19? 20:03:44 <dgilmore> hola 20:04:20 <pwhalen> nothing, excellent! 20:04:27 <masta> might be some blowback later for ARM atomics 20:04:35 <dgilmore> pwhalen: mainly kernel for f18, as far as stopping progress to alpha 20:04:44 * masta unsure if that was glibc or gcc 20:05:06 <pwhalen> dgilmore, right, we'll come to that one specifically.. 20:05:22 <pwhalen> #topic 2) 3.6 kernel mmc driver - status update 20:05:47 <pwhalen> dgilmore, how goes it? 20:06:18 <masta> right so have identified the resource in omap world for mmc + dma, no reply so far in regards to =m 20:06:30 <masta> works when =y 20:07:40 <masta> does the dma engine thing impact all the kernels? 20:08:01 <masta> not sure if all of them converted mmc to dma engine 20:08:26 <dmarlin> masta: trimslice didn't seem to need it (yet) 20:09:05 <masta> ok great, was unsure if that was a global mmc change or specific to one or another 20:09:40 <dgilmore> pwhalen: slowly 20:09:45 <masta> we need to decided when we go with =y if thing do not move upstream? 20:09:56 <masta> for omap at least 20:10:06 <dmarlin> masta: and tegra 20:10:55 <masta> it would suck to diverge from the common config for mmc, but we need to start havign working kernel boots 20:11:33 <pwhalen> whats our course of action here? Last week I believe there was some consensus, where do we stand now? 20:11:48 <dmarlin> since until recently these were built-in, and have not worked since the change, I'd call it a regression, and suggest we revert the change until a bootable kernel using modules is available 20:11:59 <masta> well I think we decided to wait for this meeting to decide 20:12:11 <masta> a week to get it working as modules 20:12:23 <masta> else we risk fallign behind 20:12:29 <masta> falling 20:12:55 <masta> but we didn't engage upstream until a few days ago... 20:13:06 <masta> for omap... and no reply so far 20:13:11 <pwhalen> dmarlin, I would agree. 20:13:34 <masta> +1 20:13:38 <ctyler> +1 20:14:10 <dmarlin> we can still work in getting the kernel to boot using modules via scratch builds, and once they are working push out the config change 20:14:25 <masta> any -1 on this? dgilmore ? 20:15:40 <masta> welp, I agree we can work on the module thing later 20:16:16 <masta> who is able to fix the kconfig in the kernel srpm? 20:17:50 <dmarlin> masta: I have working configs... I can send a diff to anyone who will apply it 20:18:08 <masta> well that implies we need more folks willing to edit the kernel, or able... 20:18:12 <dmarlin> masta: not config, just config changes 20:18:17 <dmarlin> not kconfig 20:18:24 <masta> sry my bad 20:18:48 <pwhalen> before we say agreed on this, lets take it to one last round on the list? 20:19:06 <jcapik> somebody who has commit rights? 20:19:07 <masta> +1 20:19:16 <ctyler> pwhalen: why? 20:19:20 <dmarlin> jcapik: yes 20:19:21 <pwhalen> the folks we need to commit this aren't here 20:19:39 <masta> dgilmore and pbrobinson 20:19:41 <pwhalen> it was a suggestion, if you guys disagree, please let me know 20:20:02 <masta> ^^ and/or ^^ 20:20:04 <pwhalen> I just dont want to say agreed, then turn to the folks we disagreed last time and ask them to make the change 20:20:13 <pwhalen> s/we/who/ 20:20:13 * dgilmore is tsill working on some options 20:20:17 <dmarlin> pwhalen: I'll send the patches and see if they get committed, or if there are objections 20:20:27 <dmarlin> (to the list) 20:20:52 <pwhalen> dmarlin, that sounds good 20:21:02 <jcapik> dmarlin: you can create a regular bug 20:21:09 <dmarlin> jcapik: sure 20:21:36 <dmarlin> jcapik: I'll file a BZ, attach the patches, and send a link to the list 20:21:46 <jcapik> dmarlin: +1 20:22:01 <masta> sounds good +1 20:22:25 <pwhalen> #action dmarlin to send kernel config patches to the list, open BZ for a final round of discussion 20:22:42 <pwhalen> #topic 3) VFAD summary 20:22:59 <pwhalen> masta, was there any documentation of the vfad I missed? 20:23:05 <masta> oh yea... last week 20:23:39 <masta> sry, I totally failed at this task, we mostly identified the aforementioed mmc thing 20:23:57 <masta> so we had problems booting rc5/6 20:24:39 * masta would love to host another vfad, having learned from this... would improve 20:24:49 <djdelorie> VFAD at masta' 20:24:52 <djdelorie> s house! 20:25:04 <pwhalen> perhaps when we have new test kernels 20:25:42 <masta> I hear 3.6-rc7 is out 20:26:06 <masta> but we would block on the email to the list thing, about mmc 20:26:44 <pwhalen> #topic 4) Raspberry Pi status update 20:27:32 <ctyler> Updates to Kernel and WiringPi and then we ship. 20:27:53 <pwhalen> ctyler, fantastic, is there an eta? 20:27:58 <ctyler> Updates will be out this week, aim to ship next week. 20:28:10 * djdelorie notes that Fedora "It’s no longer our recommended distro" by the RPi foundation: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/805 near the end :-( 20:28:24 <pwhalen> what is the kernel being updated to? 20:28:29 <ctyler> 3.2.27 20:29:13 <pwhalen> cool 20:29:33 <ctyler> Would be cooler if they upstreamed to master, but we'll take what we can get. 20:29:53 <pwhalen> #topic 5) your topic here 20:30:24 <pwhalen> open floor for anything else 20:30:46 <masta> ok so the f18 alpha images thing... ppc just posted theirs... kinda jelous 20:31:17 <dmarlin> just for future reference, when we make changes to the kernel config (or other critical packages), I would suggest we test on all supported platforms before pushing upstream. 20:31:28 <masta> what is the short list of things we need to achieve alpha images? 20:32:28 <masta> * working kernels 20:32:38 <masta> * lorax? 20:32:42 <pwhalen> working f18 kernels, and f18 image creation tools 20:33:32 <dmarlin> f18 image creation tools may take a while, but are being worked by the anaconda team 20:33:53 <dmarlin> we can used patched f17 tools to create f18 images, at least for testing 20:34:42 <pwhalen> I think that should be acceptable for an alpha, lest we get further behind 20:34:51 <dmarlin> missing from anaconda/lorax are: no-virt support, text mode install, image-only creation 20:34:59 <dmarlin> (in F18) 20:35:25 <dmarlin> so if we have some python/anaconda hackers willing to help. :-) 20:35:53 <dmarlin> I think text-mode installs is getting close 20:36:37 <ctyler> (didn't we conclude that vnc was a viable alternative to text-mode installs?) 20:36:58 <masta> ok so no image-only and text mode... does that mean... it doesn't work right now? 20:37:02 <masta> at all? 20:37:03 <dmarlin> ctyler: it was suggested, but I don't know if anyone has tried it 20:37:27 <dmarlin> masta: anaconda has been largely rewritten in F18... 20:37:49 <dmarlin> masta: and those features have not yet been implemented 20:38:13 <dmarlin> masta: text-mode is getting close... no-virt and image-only are not yet 20:38:27 <masta> just want to know if right now we have a tool-chain to build images... if no what is the complexity to make that happen? 20:38:55 * masta is willing to learn python to help here 20:39:07 <dmarlin> using only F18 tools... pretty comples at this time 20:39:12 <dmarlin> complex 20:39:44 <dgilmore> dmarlin: where do you see --image-only missing? 20:39:47 <dmarlin> the anaconda team is working on these issues, but may have higher priority issues, so no ETA 20:40:05 <dmarlin> dgilmore: bcl said it was missing 20:40:12 <dmarlin> dgilmore: I have not looked 20:40:18 <dgilmore> dmarlin: it doesnt appear to be so 20:40:29 <dgilmore> dmarlin: it very much looks present 20:40:33 <dmarlin> dgilmore: cool. maybe he added it 20:40:50 <dgilmore> dmarlin: ultimately someone on the arm team needs to do the work if the anaconda folks dont 20:40:59 <dgilmore> dmarlin: i doubt it was ever removed 20:41:22 <fossjon_room> if its something high level i can try :) 20:41:24 <dmarlin> dgilmore: ok, that was my understanding, but I could be wrong 20:41:36 <fossjon_room> i rem getting anaconda to run in text mode on a guru which was kind of useless tho 20:41:36 <masta> ok so we need to determine if the tools work 20:42:02 <fossjon_room> just had to tell it to skip some steps and point to the right partition and so on 20:42:24 <dmarlin> masta: we have a query in to the anaconda team... I may know more before the next meeting 20:42:33 <pwhalen> fossjon_room, sounds like your our man :) 20:42:50 <fossjon_room> no im not sure, just saying 20:43:14 <fossjon_room> http://fossjon.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/anaconda-gui-running-on-a-guru-armv5/ 20:43:18 <fossjon_room> haha self plug 20:43:25 <fossjon_room> sorry 20:45:19 <fossjon_room> the only device that would work the best with anaconda is the trimslice or something with a hard disk 20:45:29 <fossjon_room> something useful that can be installed to? 20:46:06 <dmarlin> what we have been doing is creating 'disk images' that can be copied to an SDCard (using livemedia-creator) 20:46:06 <pwhalen> fossjon_room, lets perhaps talk after the meeting if you want to give it a shot.. 20:46:28 <fossjon_room> ok cool 20:46:33 <dmarlin> we have created images for vexpress (qemu), panda, and trimslice 20:46:53 <masta> is this process documented? 20:47:08 <dmarlin> yes, but not up to date 20:47:08 * masta would love to reproduce 20:47:21 * dmarlin still has that on his todo list 20:47:50 <dmarlin> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Installer 20:48:40 <dmarlin> I need to update that for F18 and other platforms (vexpress and panda) 20:49:34 <pwhalen> shall we wrap, or anything else? 20:50:14 <masta> dmarlin: thx, I'll give it a try to make an image 20:50:50 <pwhalen> going... 20:51:10 <pwhalen> gone! 20:51:13 <pwhalen> #endmeeting