19:59:52 #startmeeting 19:59:52 Meeting started Wed Aug 29 19:59:52 2012 UTC. The chair is pwhalen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:59:52 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:01 .fas pwhalen 20:00:01 pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' 20:00:09 hi 20:00:17 #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore dmarlin 20:00:17 Current chairs: bconoboy ctyler dgilmore dmarlin jonmasters pbrobinson pwhalen 20:00:32 .fas ctyler 20:00:33 ctyler: ctyler 'Chris Tyler' - ctyler2621 'Christopher Tyler' 20:01:17 .fas jcapik 20:01:17 jcapik: jcapik 'Jaromír Cápík' 20:01:20 anyone else? looks like a small group today, and some key people missing for some of our topics 20:01:59 #topic 1) Build status update - packages needing attention 20:02:00 * masta is here 20:02:13 .fas parasense 20:02:14 masta: parasense 'Jon Disnard' 20:02:28 i've been trying to do F18 builds for OLPC 20:02:49 current breakage is that new network-manager-applet builds have not been mirrored (and the latest built on arm has broken requires) 20:03:12 and also spherical-cow-backgrounds is built on ARM but not on the mirrors? 20:03:41 jonmasters mentioned he has made progress on llvm, with one remaining issue he'll be looking at 20:04:32 dsd, likely ks will try again shortly 20:05:10 anyone else aware of packages that seem to be broken on arm? 20:05:23 for the nm-applet issue? it has yet to try a first time 20:05:43 pwhalen: is the kernel included in that list (broken on arm) ? 20:05:43 how long ago was it built in PA? 20:05:58 dsd: and now is it tagged? 20:06:06 s/now/how/ 20:06:12 it was built on 14th august 20:06:18 tagged f18-updates-pending f18-updates-testing 20:06:41 the kernel has built, but an attempt to boot on omap failed to find the rootfs 20:06:55 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=348207 20:07:41 # link http://fpaste.org/9Dv3/ <-- omap boot failure on 3.6.0-0.rc3.git2.1.fc18 20:07:54 #link http://fpaste.org/9Dv3/ <-- omap boot failure on 3.6.0-0.rc3.git2.1.fc18 20:07:54 dsd: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=85176 20:08:12 dmarlin: different package 20:08:25 dsd: quite right 20:08:59 Peter already mentioned that during alpha freeze some packages may fall behind. just wanted to point it out as being one of the critical ones 20:09:22 so the mirrors aren't updating, or things are tagged into testing/pending and not being pushed to the right repos? 20:09:48 the nm-applet issue is simply a build that hasnt been mirrored (yet) 20:10:04 the spherical-cow-backgrounds thing is a package that has been built but doesnt appear on the mirrors 20:10:13 I was looking at kernels in comparison to our builds and we seems to be a few weeks back 20:10:28 the tags look correct. http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=90351 20:10:57 we'd really need to look over our ks logs to find out the current package issues 20:11:27 Peter did mention they were public, but not sure where. Does anyone know? 20:12:15 * ctyler notes that ks there means koji-shadow not kickstart 20:12:29 right, thanks 20:12:56 ok, perhaps we can ask Peter to send out their location 20:13:37 #topic 2) iwmmxt optimizations - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=837964 20:14:39 I followed this a little on the mailing list, dsd, was there something you wanted to talk about here? 20:14:43 for this bug i was wondering if this functionality is of particular interest to anyone else (i.e. should we pressure Jakub) 20:15:04 otherwise, olpc can just fork the fixman package for a cycle or so, until gcc-4.9 gets included in fedora 20:16:02 so not gcc 4.8 ? 20:16:12 4.8 correct. that was a typo 20:16:32 whew - 4.9 would be a long wait 20:17:31 dsd, not sure the appropriate people are here currently, but we can make note of it now 20:17:44 revisit next week 20:17:46 ok, sure 20:18:14 #topic 3) Raspberry Pi status update 20:18:26 rc1! awesome, getting closer 20:19:12 We have what appears to be a successful armv6 build of glibc 20:19:20 yay! 20:19:24 whoa, even better 20:19:35 So we should be able to do a preliminary test compose Real Soon Now. 20:19:54 ctyler, is there anything we can do to help? beyond testing and providing feedback? 20:20:07 I was away last week, so I'm a bit out of the loop. fossjon et al? 20:20:33 i think we got a lot of it down so far 20:20:56 cool 20:21:01 whats left before you do a test compose? 20:21:37 Need to sanity-check this glibc and then I think we're good for a compose. Also need an armv6 soft glibc. 20:22:08 Watch for v6 composes to be out before next meeting, and please bang on them hard once they're out. 20:22:24 please let us all know if we can do anything 20:22:30 looking forward to it :) 20:22:49 #topic 4) Feedback on F18 ARM Release Criteria - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria 20:23:17 so, we discussed this briefly in another meeting, has anyone else had a chance to review? 20:23:34 any suggestions, feedback? 20:23:56 * ctyler thinks it looks good 20:24:07 What's our arm alpha target? 20:24:18 (date, I mean) 20:24:46 Can we hit PA+1w ? 20:25:07 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/18/Schedule 20:25:43 thats the PA release schedule, their aiming for Sept 4th, adding a week to that sounds reasonable for a goal 20:25:52 that release criteria page looks good 20:26:04 I think we can hit those targets 20:26:42 So we need a go/no-go this time next week. 20:26:43 ok, I understand its a lot to read right now if you hadn't had a chance, please do so and forward feedback to the list, primarily for alpha 20:27:17 ppc release fairly quick after PA last time.... 20:27:21 vfad next Wed? 20:27:26 or at least a status update for next week 20:27:41 ctyler, I agree 20:27:53 then in the meeting we will know where we stand 20:28:11 With the long weekend there's really only three workdays between now and then. 20:28:49 good point. We are pretty close to PA now 20:29:22 F18 Missing: 330 20:30:05 So, question: how many of those 330 do we care about? I think we only critically care about ones that are in the default image, at the Alpha point. 20:30:29 i.e., I don't think we should block on a package that isn't installed by default for Alpha (for final, maybe) 20:30:44 as long as they hit their release date, we'll have that list 20:30:46 agreed 20:31:16 s/the default image/our default images/ 20:32:33 One note on the Alpha blocker bugs: it says we'll do go/no-go in our meeting, but it also says 20:00 ETC on Wednesday is the cut off time, which is after our standard meeting 20:32:54 (actually, not sure what ETC is?) 20:33:24 #idea ARM VFAD Wed Sept 5th at 12pm edt to test alpha images, with followup in our meeting to decide on alpha release readiness 20:33:36 ctyler, thought I removed them all, will change that, thanks 20:33:37 +1 20:34:20 well, we agree :) 20:34:21 anyone? 20:34:46 +1 20:35:22 #agreed ARM VFAD Wed Sept 5th at 12pm edt to test alpha images, with followup in our 4PM edt meeting to decide on alpha release readiness 20:35:50 +1 20:35:56 so, if anyone else find something that looks wrong, please let me know, or feedback etc 20:36:09 (with the release criteria) 20:36:36 #topic 5) Your topic here 20:36:53 anything else folks would like to discuss? 20:37:10 Going back to the mirror issues that dsd mentioned, I did a quick look at dl.fedoraproject.org and it doesn't make sense 20:37:17 that those packages aren't there. 20:38:15 I think the mashing and mirroring is being done my dgilmore, maybe he can check into this and identify what's going on? 20:38:21 s/my/by/ 20:39:26 ctyler, what package is missing? 20:39:40 spherical-cow-backgrounds? 20:40:14 and probably others 20:41:52 did anybody get a chance to test hdmi on pandaboard, or wifi? 20:42:31 I'll make note of the repo and ping Dennis when he's around 20:43:23 #action pwhalen will talk to dgilmore about packages possibly not appearing in the mirrors 20:43:23 anything else? 20:43:28 ctyler, thanks 20:44:08 thanks for following up 20:44:24 #endmeeting