20:00:42 <cwickert> #startmeeting Spins SIG meeting 2011-10-24
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20:00:51 <cwickert> #meetingname Spins SIG meeting 2011-10-24
20:00:51 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'spins_sig_meeting_2011-10-24'
20:01:02 <cwickert> #chairs nirik brunowolff
20:01:14 <cwickert> #chair nirik brunowolff
20:01:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: brunowolff cwickert nirik
20:01:17 * pbrobinson is here
20:01:19 <cwickert> that's better
20:01:24 <cwickert> #chair pbrobinson
20:01:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: brunowolff cwickert nirik pbrobinson
20:01:26 * nirik is sorta around, but also busy trying to catch up after being away for a few days.
20:01:53 <cwickert> nirik: no worries, we just need to approve 3 spins
20:02:11 <nirik> it's it super duper dreadfully late to be approving things?
20:02:12 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Spins_Ready_For_SIG
20:02:26 <cwickert> nirik: yes, we are already to late
20:02:35 <cwickert> nevertheless I'd like to give it a try
20:02:47 <cwickert> as it was not the spins submitters fault
20:02:56 <cwickert> and all spins are desktop spins
20:03:20 <cwickert> this means they should already have received testing through the normal milestones
20:03:30 <cwickert> does everybody agree to that?
20:03:46 <brunowolff> We also need to commit the ks files once they are approved.
20:04:03 <nirik> and make a new spins package.
20:04:05 <cwickert> I mean, it can still go wrong, if say websites or design are not ready, but I'd like the spins sig not to be the blocker
20:04:06 <brunowolff> The owners should get commit access to the git repo at some point.
20:04:09 <nirik> and inform rel-eng
20:04:13 <cwickert> right
20:04:16 <nirik> and websites
20:04:28 <cwickert> we need a new spins package anyway
20:04:39 <cwickert> websites should already be aware of it AFAIK
20:05:02 <cwickert> should we first go through the list of spins and then discuss what is left to do?
20:05:04 <brunowolff> There was a change to the kde spin today for a package which has been retired.
20:05:37 <cwickert> brunowolff: there are fixes in master that are not yet in F-16
20:05:45 <cwickert> and I need to fix something in the LXDE spin
20:05:50 <cwickert> because of a change in gnome
20:06:18 <cwickert> brunowolff: can I just merge F-16 into master?
20:06:22 <brunowolff> The KDE change was only in the F-16 branch as far as I read. I might have missed a second message though.
20:06:31 * cwickert looks
20:07:14 <cwickert> brunowolff: rdieter made the same change in master 2 days ago
20:07:19 <brunowolff> That should work. It might leave a merge note in master has already changed, but we don't want to rebase f16 to avoid that.
20:07:19 <cwickert> and it affects all spins
20:07:32 <cwickert> alright
20:07:45 <cwickert> you see: http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=commit;h=de17f07d8dcdb2adc6b40b79fd99d46337e4162f
20:07:57 <cwickert> hs just did the same in F-16 an hour ago
20:08:04 <cwickert> so it should be easy to merge
20:08:18 <cwickert> alright, lets start with the individual spins
20:08:32 * jsmith sneaks in
20:08:35 <cwickert> #topic Games Spin
20:08:36 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Games_Spin
20:08:45 <cwickert> brunowolff: why does this need an approval?
20:09:03 <cwickert> I mean, we had this spin for some releases now
20:09:08 <brunowolff> Not much has changed for the games spin. So it really shouldn't.
20:09:20 <cwickert> ok
20:09:34 <cwickert> everybody fine with appriving the games spin?
20:09:37 <cwickert> +1 from me
20:09:52 <pbrobinson> +1
20:10:01 <nirik> sure
20:10:21 <cwickert> #agreed Games Spin is approved for F16
20:10:42 <cwickert> #topic Robotics Spin
20:10:43 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Robotics_Spin
20:10:48 <brunowolff> The workflow was to mark it as ready for SIG, so I did that. Probably the other Spins didn't. But in practice unless the spin has changed significantly or the SIGs world view, there approval should be automatic.
20:11:23 <cwickert> brunowolff: basically yes, we just want the maintainer to confirm the spin is still required and maintained
20:11:33 <cwickert> so, on the Robotics spin
20:11:39 <cwickert> I am not sure about this one
20:11:56 <cwickert> because of this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Robotics_Spin
20:12:03 <cwickert> no response to my questions
20:12:34 <cwickert> ideas?
20:12:48 <pbrobinson> cwickert: has he been emailed directly? I've never had updates from Talk when I follow it
20:13:25 <cwickert> pbrobinson: if you follow a page, you follow the talk page automatically
20:13:29 <brunowolff> I am not sure removing the config stuff is a good idea. Is the reason for this tight space?
20:13:40 <cwickert> but I am not sure that they follow their own page
20:13:57 <pbrobinson> yea, but I've never had updates from either (maybe its me)
20:15:04 <cwickert> I wonder why they have their own versions of the other files
20:15:27 <cwickert> I mean fedora-live-base.ks and fedora-live-minimization.ks
20:15:39 <brunowolff> Possibly to help to test builds.
20:15:59 <pbrobinson> is there any difference to them?
20:16:25 <pbrobinson> that might indicate why there's a difference
20:16:39 <cwickert> fedora-live-minimization.ks is the same
20:17:27 <cwickert> and so is fedora-live-base
20:17:38 <cwickert> at least up to the date when they last synced
20:17:54 <cwickert> so they are not doing anything nasty on purpose
20:18:04 <cwickert> what about the removals in the ks itself?
20:19:08 <cwickert> I mean, other than that the ks looks good
20:19:47 <brunowolff> I agree, they aren't doing anything crazy in the ks file.
20:20:10 <cwickert> proposal: give them a preliminary approval given that they fix the spins page and get the artwork etc done in time
20:20:14 <cwickert> say within this week
20:20:47 <jsmith> +1
20:20:54 <brunowolff> +1
20:21:13 <cwickert> me notes that
20:21:13 <cwickert> # No Office-libreoffice-*-planner
20:21:15 <pbrobinson> +1 and possibly a direct email or some other form of contact other than via the talk page
20:21:18 <cwickert> is not needed
20:21:27 <cwickert> because they don't install @office anyway
20:21:41 <cwickert> +1
20:22:30 <cwickert> #agreed: The Robotics spin gets a preliminary approval for F16 given that the spins page and the artwork is completed in time
20:22:51 <cwickert> #topic Scientific Spin
20:22:52 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Scientific_Spin
20:23:30 <cwickert> looks good IHMO, AMit responded to all my questions and participates on the mailing list
20:23:51 <pbrobinson> +1
20:23:53 <cwickert> +1
20:25:48 <brunowolff> The ks looks fine. Note that they asked about trying to do both KD and Gnome at once a couple of days ago.
20:26:02 <brunowolff> I discouraged them from trying to do that this late.
20:26:10 <cwickert> yeah, me too
20:26:21 <cwickert> and AMit already responded that he won't to it
20:28:31 <cwickert> more votes?
20:28:46 <brunowolff> +1 if that wasn't obvious from my comment.
20:29:03 <cwickert> #agreed Scientific Spin is approved for F16
20:29:12 <cwickert> #action nirik to sponsor the following people into gitspin-kickstarts: timn and rmattes (Robotics spin) and amitksaha (Scientific Spin)
20:29:24 <nirik> ok.
20:29:28 <brunowolff> Do we want to formally state that all of the other recurring spins are also approved?
20:29:38 <cwickert> alright
20:29:42 <nirik> cwickert: or I can make you a sponsor since you are wrangler?
20:29:48 <cwickert> nirik: ok
20:29:58 <cwickert> #undo
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20:30:25 <cwickert> #action nirik to make cwickert sponsor of gitspin-kickstarts
20:30:31 <cwickert> #action cwickert to sponsor the following people into gitspin-kickstarts: timn and rmattes (Robotics spin) and amitksaha (Scientific Spin)
20:31:23 <cwickert> #agreed: all other reoccuring spins from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/Spins are approved for F16
20:31:25 <brunowolff> I don't think there has been any policy change on what we are willing to do spins for and none of the other spins has changed greatly that I am aware of.
20:31:52 <cwickert> right
20:32:04 <cwickert> #topic Todo for F16
20:32:13 <cwickert> so, what is left to do?
20:32:30 <cwickert> brunowolff: can you commit the new kickstarts and roll a new package?
20:32:32 <brunowolff> nirik, are nightly composes currently using master or F-16 versions of ks?
20:32:36 <nirik> f16
20:32:40 <nirik> I changed when you asked me to
20:32:52 <brunowolff> Thanks nirik!
20:33:33 <brunowolff> I can do the spin-kickstarts change tonight (4-9 hours from now).
20:33:37 <cwickert> ok
20:33:58 <cwickert> #action brunowolff to check in the new spins into spin-kickstarts and build a new package
20:34:19 <cwickert> brunowolff: by then I already made my commit, but I'm only doing it in master, so please make sure to merge F-16
20:34:21 <brunowolff> Are the other changes from master going to be in by then?
20:34:57 <cwickert> yes
20:35:29 <cwickert> and if my change is not in, forget it. I'll fix it in the lxde-common package then
20:35:42 <cwickert> ok, what else is left to do?
20:37:26 <brunowolff> Is commit "Xfce: Included system-config-language as GDM no longer ..." supposed to be backported to F-16?
20:37:47 <cwickert> brunowolff: yes, I said merge F16 into master
20:37:59 <cwickert> all changes in master are supposed to be in F-16
20:38:02 <cwickert> AFAICS at least
20:38:54 <brunowolff> I think that is the only commit in master that isn't in F-16.
20:39:34 <cwickert> right
20:40:52 <cwickert> nirik: how do I actually sponsor somebody? I seem to not find the right button
20:41:21 <brunowolff> We may not make the freeze without karma. And hence would need a NTH or blocker bug for this.
20:41:21 <cwickert> the only person I could sponsor is danielkonrad, because he applied himself
20:41:22 <nirik> add their name with add, then list the members and there should be a 'sponsor' button next to them
20:42:15 <cwickert> I don't have "add"
20:42:24 <cwickert> I guess the german translation is bad
20:43:56 <cwickert> nirik: add or invite?
20:44:08 <nirik> invite perhaps it is.
20:44:14 <cwickert> ahh
20:44:23 <cwickert> no, I can add them straight away
20:45:44 <cwickert> ok, what else is left to do?
20:46:34 <brunowolff> The is a bug about gdm and xfce.
20:46:44 <brunowolff> Is this going to be a blocker?
20:46:47 <nirik> needs more info...
20:46:53 <nirik> I don't see how it could happen.
20:47:02 <brunowolff> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748544
20:48:05 <brunowolff> OK, if it isn't consistently happening I won't worry about it too much now. If there was going to be a fix coming real soon, I'd want to try to get that in tonight's build of spin-kickstarts.
20:48:35 <cwickert> I cannot reproduce it
20:48:42 * nirik either
20:49:55 <cwickert> I did intensive testing and fixing of Xfce yesterday
20:50:11 <brunowolff> I update the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/Spins page to indicate everythings approved and the two need spins should get isos.
20:51:30 <cwickert> #atcion brunowolff to update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/Spins page to indicate everything is approved
20:51:37 <cwickert> ok, what's next?
20:52:26 <brunowolff> If the robotics guys get artwork in, what happens to it to get it in the right spot? Do we worry about this or someone else?
20:53:18 <nirik> websites team would need to know/have folks working on adding it.
20:56:05 <cwickert> the spin owners need to file tickets if they haven't done so already
20:56:23 <cwickert> I suggest we tell them to report progress back to the mailing list and update the wiki page
20:56:55 <cwickert> once the kickstarts in git, can you add them to the nightlies?
20:57:05 <nirik> sure.
20:57:23 <cwickert> #action nirik to add the new spins to the nightly composes once they are in git
20:58:43 <cwickert> #info spin owners should file tickets for in the trac instances of the design and the websites team. They are encouraged to report progress about back to the mailing list and update the wiki pages
20:58:51 <cwickert> what about the rel-eng site?
20:59:05 <cwickert> s/site/side
20:59:22 <nirik> perhaps it would be nice to file a ticket listing all the spins that should be produced for final...
20:59:29 <nirik> or pointing to the page that lists them perhaps
21:00:52 <cwickert> ok
21:00:59 <cwickert> I will to this
21:01:18 <cwickert> #action cwickert to file a ticket for the F16 spins at rel-eng
21:03:32 <cwickert> anything else?
21:03:38 <cwickert> otherwise I'll close this meeting
21:04:12 * cwickert will wait 5 minutes for somebody to speak up
21:04:18 * pbrobinson is good
21:04:29 <brunowolff> Thanks for running the meeting.
21:04:37 <cwickert> brunowolff: no problem
21:04:46 <cwickert> sorry for being such a bad spins wrangler
21:04:59 <cwickert> I hope things will be better for F17 once we switch to trac
21:05:12 <cwickert> already started working on that
21:06:30 <pbrobinson> cwickert: I think your proposed changes to the sig make sense for all involved
21:06:39 <pbrobinson> thanks for the work you've put into i
21:06:41 <pbrobinson> t
21:06:49 <cwickert> welcome
21:07:01 <brunowolff> It's not an easy job. The cat herding analogy applies.
21:07:15 * cwickert would like to thank brunowolff for keeping the SIG alive
21:07:38 <cwickert> alright, before we get too sentimental, I'll end this ;)
21:07:41 <cwickert> #endmeeting