19:59:50 <stickster> #startmeeting Insight (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight)
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19:59:53 <stickster> #meetingname Insight
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19:59:56 <stickster> #topic Roll call
19:59:58 * stickster 
20:00:04 <pcalarco> is here
20:00:10 <stickster> Hey Pascal!!!!1!!
20:00:13 * asrob too
20:00:26 * stickster greeted asrob already but does it again!!!!1!!
20:00:52 <pcalarco> hi stickster and asrob :)
20:00:54 <asrob> ;)
20:00:55 * rbergeron peeks in
20:01:28 <stickster> #chair pcalarco asrob rbergeron
20:01:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob pcalarco rbergeron stickster
20:02:47 <stickster> OK, we have a bunch of things to talk about and not much time to do it, so...
20:03:13 <stickster> #info present pcalarco asrob rbergeron smooge(*) stickster  (*)=lurk
20:03:26 * averi is around!
20:03:40 <stickster> #info present averi also!
20:03:40 <averi> I have 20 mins then I need to run very fast :)
20:03:42 <stickster> #chair averi
20:03:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob averi pcalarco rbergeron stickster
20:03:52 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight#Meeting_agenda <-- agenda
20:04:05 <stickster> #topic FAD status?
20:04:13 <stickster> pcalarco: So I hear that the FAD is not happening?
20:05:07 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, I had to make a decision so we could wrap up the budget for ILF, and so decided not to have an FI FAD at ILF; I do think it would be good to have one at some point
20:05:29 <pcalarco> if there is still a compelling case for this, we can likely go back to request funds still tho
20:05:53 <stickster> pcalarco: I already have a couple trips in April and May, but in June is the Southeast Linux Fest
20:06:02 <pcalarco> ILF is in  littl over 2 weeks
20:06:09 * stickster would make time to travel somewhere for a FAD, but needs funding to do it.
20:06:15 <pcalarco> yes, SELF is a distinct possibility
20:06:32 <pcalarco> stickster: we would request funding for you
20:06:42 <stickster> pcalarco: That's a few months away, and we should be working on Phase 2 stuff by that point.
20:06:51 * rbergeron notes that we can get a room for SELF if needed - we have one saved already for a docs fad, but we can get another room provided it's under 20 people
20:06:55 <rbergeron> (per jeremy)
20:07:07 <stickster> rbergeron: That will be no problem, it'd be more like 3-6 ppl I expect
20:07:11 * rbergeron nods
20:07:27 <rbergeron> Just giving hte FYI. In case the whole world shows up. ;)
20:07:46 <stickster> pcalarco: Can you continue to be POC for a FAD, regardless of where we do it?
20:07:57 <pcalarco> stickster: certainly
20:08:29 <stickster> Since I'm already going to SELF (it's budgeted for me this year), I wouldn't be an extra cost at least.
20:08:37 <stickster> That money could be spent on pcalarco and others to travel :-)
20:08:48 <averi> stickster, where will it take place?
20:08:53 <rbergeron> stickster: you mentioned "phase 2" - does that mean that that is a point where you think it would be good to do it, or less than optimal?
20:09:06 <pcalarco> #info http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/
20:09:30 <stickster> rbergeron: I mean, we could use that FAD to work on Phase 2 deliverables.
20:09:45 * rbergeron as always is willing to help on the content part, but isn't so helpful in the technical part except for lots of testing.
20:10:01 <averi> pcalarco, why never in Europe? :(
20:10:09 <rbergeron> Okay. I just wasn't clear on whether or not you were thinking it wasn't good timing, or etc.
20:10:28 <stickster> averi: You could organize one there!
20:11:04 * stickster notes that *where* a FAD is held depends entirely on the person who is willing to plan + organize it, make a budget, seek the funding, etc.
20:11:06 <averi> stickster, yeah! I live close to venice, having one hosted there would be awesome
20:11:37 <stickster> A FAD is simply a small gathering of Fedora contributors to achieve some specific goals
20:11:43 <stickster> And it should not cost very much
20:11:56 <averi> mmm...then Venice is not the best place for it :p
20:12:13 <averi> stickster, I will think about it for the next FAD
20:12:20 <stickster> Bringing people across oceans for a FAD is not within the scope of that kind of event. But averi, you would certainly be able to bring a couple people in by train or something like that
20:12:47 <stickster> And of course you can have a remote component as well so it needn't be limited to just people within a few hundred miles.
20:12:50 <stickster> (or km) :-)
20:13:08 <averi> stickster, I just feel a bit excluded, you guys are all from u.s
20:13:27 <averi> so it is hard for me to join any particular Fedora event
20:13:42 <pcalarco> when is the next EMEA FUDCon, after Zurich?
20:13:44 <stickster> averi: There is a FUDCon coming up in Europe later this year, you should definitely attend that!
20:13:58 <stickster> pcalarco: I don't know at this point -- but Dublin has been suggested, and Budapest.
20:14:22 <averi> stickster, great! I'll try to do my best to be there as soon as we have a confirmed location.
20:14:30 <stickster> Also I think that fcrippa was putting in a bid for Milan maybe?
20:14:40 <rbergeron> Ooooh.
20:14:44 <averi> milan would be awesome
20:15:03 <stickster> averi: But to be very clear: None of this prevents you from putting together a FAD where you are
20:15:17 <stickster> You're very welcome to do that! And if we can participate remotely, we would try to do that
20:15:35 <averi> ok, will ping you to know more about how to organize that etc.
20:15:58 <rbergeron> averi: this is a good place to start: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_organize_a_FAD
20:15:59 <stickster> averi: start here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Premier_Fedora_events
20:16:03 <rbergeron> Or that.
20:16:09 <stickster> or that, rbergeron ;-)
20:16:10 * rbergeron grins at stickster
20:16:11 <stickster> haha
20:16:11 <averi> stickster, rbergeron: thanks :)
20:16:26 <stickster> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FADs
20:16:35 <rbergeron> averi: some other examples of past fads are on tha tpage stickster *just* linked.
20:16:38 <stickster> yup
20:16:40 <averi> stickster, I need to run now, I need to be in a place within 10 mins and I am terribly late. Will have a look at logs :)
20:16:46 <stickster> Thanks averi!
20:16:48 <stickster> o/
20:17:03 <averi> thanks to you guys, have a great evening!
20:17:06 <averi> cheers
20:17:09 <stickster> OK, I think we've properly beat events into submission
20:17:32 <stickster> #topic Drupal status -- puppet
20:17:52 <stickster> So... I took a look at this, and I definitely am not grokking puppet well enough to design the module for it.
20:18:16 <stickster> But on top of that, I had two questions which I sent to the list.... because I made some changes/commits locally which do help, but I wasn't sure whether I was allowed to push them, or to where.
20:18:30 * stickster needs help with the puppetization, we're kind of blocked on that
20:18:48 <stickster> #info stickster needs help with the puppetization, we're kind of blocked on that
20:19:08 <stickster> Does everyone understand what the puppetization does, at least?
20:19:27 <rbergeron> I'll take an explanation. I think I do.
20:19:44 <rbergeron> But not positive :)
20:20:33 <pcalarco> it automates a build of packages out to a server, basically, right?
20:20:37 <stickster> Having a puppet definition for the Insight system (Drupal) allows the site host, where the drupal6 app runs, to be rebuilt from scratch in the event that needs to happen. That's why we've been packaging all the modules... so they can be installed by Puppet via yum/rpm.
20:20:42 <stickster> pcalarco: RIGHT!
20:21:30 <rbergeron> And has all the pointers and configurations I'm guessing built into that definition.
20:21:33 <stickster> The only thing that needs to be added are a few extra files with stuff like the database information and the Apache .htaccess files. I made some commits to get those in the repo... but the manifest, which is Puppet's definition file, I don't know how to write completely.
20:21:33 <rbergeron> ?
20:21:44 <pcalarco> I have a sysadmin here that works on puppet that I could ask if we could get some help from, if needed
20:22:26 <stickster> pcalarco: Yeah, either that or I need to shout on the infrastructure list for some extra help. I think smoge is at his limit right now
20:22:51 <stickster> For someone who knows puppet, this is probably 30-60 minutes of work
20:22:56 <pcalarco> let me check locally and I'll report back on logistics if he can help
20:23:02 <stickster> I've spent 2 hours on it already and still banging my head on the wall
20:23:15 <stickster> OK
20:23:27 <stickster> #action pcalarco check with local help for some puppet expertise
20:23:41 <stickster> #action stickster check with infrastructure list for assistance with puppet
20:25:05 <stickster> One last packaging need is the theme. I'm working on that now and should have a revew request in shortly.
20:26:49 <stickster> #action stickster finish packaging Fedora Insight theme and put up review request
20:27:26 <stickster> There doesn't seem to be a lot left to do with the theme that can't be fixed in minor updates
20:27:58 <stickster> asrob: We just want to get to staging at this point post-freeze, and it shouldn't be hard if we can get the !%#@ puppetization done :-)
20:28:13 <asrob> yeah :)
20:28:36 <pcalarco> stickster: once we're done with reviews and puppetization to production, are we ready to go live with FWN?
20:29:10 <stickster> pcalarco: Well, there's staging in the middle, which is sort of a "try the puppet thing, fix, try again, fix..." bit, but yeah, once we get that down, you're correct
20:29:38 <pcalarco> that's great news :)
20:30:41 <asrob> :)
20:31:06 <stickster> pcalarco: Hm... this needs to be done pronto:
20:31:13 <stickster> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680423
20:31:28 <stickster> ke4qqq was going to review that, methinks
20:31:59 <stickster> I should have the Insight theme packaged shortly too, so both will need review
20:32:22 <stickster> #action ke4qqq review drupal6-authfas in BZ 680423
20:32:50 <stickster> asrob: You could perhaps review the theme for me
20:33:00 <stickster> asrob: It's an easy review, so it would be a good introduction to package review
20:33:27 <asrob> stickster: okay, I will try it
20:34:33 <stickster> asrob: You can start reading here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_Review_Process#Reviewer
20:35:00 <stickster> The "review guidelines" link will lead you to a list, and then there are a couple sublinks from there that are fairly lengthy. I can help you by answering questions.
20:35:29 <asrob> okay, thanks
20:35:38 <stickster> #action asrob review the drupal6-fedora-insight-theme package once it's entered into a BZ
20:35:58 <stickster> asrob, pcalarco: What else do we need to discuss here today?
20:37:07 <pcalarco> should I start working up a FAD proposal for SELF, or should we let Andreas work on a European one?
20:37:28 <stickster> pcalarco: It doesn't have to be exclusive, AFAIC
20:37:47 <pcalarco> so we could conceiveably do both, sounds good
20:37:47 <stickster> pcalarco: If you, one other NA person, and I get together at SELF, that's a fine FAD
20:37:55 <asrob> stickster: I removed Calendar modules but there are in database, so I will re-enable that, it will work flawlessly imho :)
20:38:33 <stickster> asrob: Right... we'll be able to add that back in later in our publictest09 host after we get the database moved or whatever needs to happen there.
20:38:37 <pcalarco> Southern_Gentleman is likely interested, and perhaps rbergeron in addition to us
20:38:52 <asrob> stickster: OK
20:39:10 * rbergeron nods
20:39:14 <stickster> #topic Open floor
20:39:18 <rbergeron> just depends on the date/time
20:39:28 <asrob> any suggestion, feedback in related to Drupal?
20:39:43 <asrob> stickster: what about jQuery UI module?
20:40:05 <asrob> stickster: is it packaged?
20:40:22 <stickster> asrob: It is not
20:40:51 <stickster> So before we get the calendar/date stuff back up, we need that packaged too
20:40:58 <stickster> or rather, around the same time, it's flexible :-)
20:41:18 <asrob> ah, I see
20:42:38 <stickster> Anything else?
20:42:52 <asrob> nothing
20:42:59 <stickster> #action stickster email the theme contributors to make sure a GPLv2+ licensing works for them
20:44:28 <pcalarco> nothing here
20:44:32 <stickster> OK then
20:44:34 <stickster> #endmeeting