17:12:26 #startmeeting 17:12:26 Meeting started Sat Feb 27 17:12:26 2010 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:12:27 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:12:39 #chair pcalarco hiemanshu itbegins 17:12:40 Current chairs: hiemanshu itbegins pcalarco quaid 17:13:04 #info Design/skin needs packaging 17:13:33 #info hiemanshu packaged zikula 1.2.2 and has it in staging 17:13:47 quaid: great, thanks! 17:13:51 #info work on pagemaster package for 1.2.x is next/in progress 17:14:16 #link http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2017913 17:14:39 quaid: Zikula is not yet in staging, but should be soon 17:14:45 #info hiemanshu will work on this ticket tonight https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/85 17:15:09 also design will be in a package once me and itbegins are done working on pagemaster 17:16:11 #info Zikula 1.2.2 needs packaging; ke4qqq emailed with link to scratch package 17:17:16 #info Zikula 1.2.2 is packaged, ke4qqq needs to update package in the repos before we can use it 17:18:53 do we have anyone who can put packages in Infrastructure's repo? 17:19:05 or is it worth doing that if we can just get ke4qqq to update? 17:20:27 btw, I have the power of SMS to ke4qqq if we don't see him around today; what is the actual blocker date for 1.2.2 update? 17:20:34 i.e., it's staging that needs it, right? 17:21:01 so we can get things working on pt6 today and when David updates the package, we can use that for staging in the next day? 17:21:18 quaid: yes, I think so 17:21:38 quaid: itbegins updated pt6 to 1.2.2 by hand 17:22:00 quaid: and only members of sysadmin-main have write access to the infra rpeo 17:22:09 .members sysadmin-main 17:22:10 hiemanshu: Members of sysadmin-main: @ausil jkeating jstanley lmacken mdomsch mikeb @mmcgrath nigelj ricky +skvidal smooge spot @toshio 17:22:14 right, and since the rpm is pretty much automating that manual process ... we shouldn't be concerned about the different methods, right? 17:22:39 You ll have to ask itbegins about that, I think it shouldn't really matter 17:24:39 itbegins will be back in a few hours, probably 2.5 17:50:47 brb in an hour, getting too late, need to have dinner soon 18:01:44 hi everyone 18:07:03 quaid, you're right that deploying the new version to staging is simple 18:07:44 we take the database from pt6, and install the packages on stg and we're done 18:10:36 Itbegins: hi again 18:10:44 pcalarco, hi 18:13:11 has anyone submitted a theme package for review? 18:13:21 * quaid hasn't seen a bug # or such yet 18:19:29 hiemanshu has one more ticket open, which he is going to finish tonight; then we'll see how the pagemaster workflow and templates look 18:22:14 pcalarco: the ticket is part of pagemaster 18:22:29 quaid: There is one in infra repo, I made it 18:22:35 ah! 18:22:45 hiemanshu: ok, thanks for the clarification 18:22:52 hiemanshu: is that where it should be longer term? i.e., Infra doesn't think we should have a general package for it? 18:23:07 * quaid vaguely recalls such a discussion perhaps maybe vaguely 18:23:39 quaid: Yes thats where its going to be long term, and not having a general package wasn't was my decision, anyone who wants to use it is more than happy to clone the git repo with the theme 18:23:50 s/wasn't// 18:24:13 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox 18:24:29 so that page says DON'T use PHP 5.3 18:24:43 which is about to change, yes 18:25:11 * quaid realizes he is on an F11 system and it's using 5.2 18:25:16 quaid: https://fedorahosted.org/released/fedora-insight-theme/ you can find f11 and f12 packages there, but thats an older version 18:25:31 quaid: I added dont run PHP 5.3 because 1.1.x doesnt support it 18:25:32 staging is running Fedora 12? 18:25:43 RHEL 5 IIRC 18:25:45 hiemanshu: right, and I see we are on the custp 18:25:46 oh 18:25:59 s/custp/cusp/ 18:26:24 ok, I'll leave those instructions as-is until zikula 1.2.2 is in 18:26:49 so we can enable people make a sandbox for theming 18:27:12 do we know if a theme written to zikula 1.1.x will work as-is on 1.2.x? 18:27:32 or should we be updating those instructions to "use php 5.3 now and here is how to update to zikula 1.2.2"? 18:27:44 * quaid actually thinks the latter 18:28:01 Yup and the lastest theme is at git://git.fedoraproject.org/fedora-insight-theme.git 18:30:30 quaid: http://122.166.181.53/zikula is my system running Zikula 1.2.2 (installed via the package I made) and the theme copied over from the git repo 18:31:29 It will be a little slow due to the reason that I only have a 1Mbit line, but enough to show that it is working 18:33:05 ok, I'm going to make sandbox with all the new bits and update the instructions 18:33:35 ke4qqq: Hi! 18:34:49 quaid: just the link to the scratch build to get the updated rpm 18:34:55 s/just/use 18:35:41 I recommend only installing 1.2.2 from now on 18:36:15 there's no need to "upgrade" to 1.2 unless you have data in 1.1 you want to keep 18:36:37 and since stg doesnt have anything we need, we can just redo it 18:36:40 yep 18:36:47 hi pcalarco 18:37:13 hiemanshu, are you ready for some theme work? 18:37:30 itbegins: Sure 18:37:57 ok, so the templates we use for pagemaster are in config/templates/pagemaster as you know 18:38:07 the first task has to be the index page 18:38:13 http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php 18:39:15 ke4qqq: did you get a ping about updating Zikula? 18:39:21 yes, reviewing it now 18:39:26 yay! 18:39:30 pcalarco, we've got the workflow working 18:39:30 itbegins: did zikula strip out the forked gettext? 18:39:35 there are a couple of things I'm not happy with 18:39:51 itbegins: on pt6? I can look now 18:40:02 that was the blocker (and the reason 1.2 never hit fedora) 18:40:06 ke4qqq, I think the end decision was that although it derives from the other gettext library, it has been changed so much that it's effectively a zikula library now 18:40:23 i.e the current source code will only work on Zikula, and is not a library usable in any other circumstances 18:40:45 pcalarco, yes, that's right 18:40:52 pcalarco, lots of template work still to do 18:41:11 ke4qqq, 1.2 is important for FI because it saves us using a hacked pagemaster release 18:41:20 #topic Working on theme, templates in config/templates/pagemaster 18:41:27 my last conversation with drak was actually to the contrary - he said that it was forked contrary to zikula policy but was considered a temporary hack until it was going to be deprecated 18:41:43 which was rapidly expected 18:42:33 * ke4qqq goes to find the conversation with Toshio and Drak to reread it 18:42:45 ke4qqq, right, but it's not going to be removed as part of the 1.2 release 18:43:09 yes - which is why it's not in Fedora 18:43:10 ke4qqq, at least, as I understand it at the moment 18:44:52 ke4qqq, well, the way I see it there are two main points: 1. This is not a library anymore, it's zikula-only code 2. This is not going to change until the release of Zikula 1.3 in a number of months. 18:45:24 My view would be that the normal library guidelines with respect to libraries wouldn't apply if the code is not reusable elsewhere 18:45:42 this is no different to the DBUtil libraries, the core API etc etc 18:45:54 yeah - I'll want to circle back with toshio and see if we can talk through this. 18:45:54 regardless of the fact that it's derived from php-gettext 18:46:12 * mchua looks at backlog - didn't realize we were in this channel, thanks to hiemanshu for the tip. 18:46:33 mchua: there's a meeting log that captures the up-to-then status 18:46:58 hiemanshu, if you can handle the news templates at the moment, I will handle the Fedora news template 18:47:05 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-02-27/fedora-meeting-1.2010-02-27-17.12.log.txt 18:47:19 hiemanshu, this template needs a fair bit of attention: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&func=viewpub&tid=3&pid=3 18:47:23 mchua: at the start of that log we did a quick capture of what had gone on before 18:47:23 quaid: I <3 zodbot 18:47:32 mchua: I can send you the full log but I think that summary does it 18:47:37 zodbot++ 18:47:46 zodbot-- for not tracking karma yet 18:47:53 ++zodbot 18:49:15 itbegins: Ah I see, this is in the output folder in c/t/pagemaster right? 18:49:23 yep, that's the one 18:49:38 publist_News.htm ? 18:49:47 give me a bit to reread the conversation - we exchanged in excess of 50 emails on this topic back in December. I remember at the time the decision from Fedora's perspective was to wait it out - but let me see if sometihng has changed there. 18:49:56 hiemanshu, that's the list template, which controls the index page 18:50:13 ah viewpub_News.htm 18:50:24 hiemanshu, that's the one that controls the page I last linked to 18:50:37 So we need to work on that one right 18:52:08 itbegins: what is all the cr_* stuff doing on the page? 18:52:27 cr_ are "core" fields 18:52:37 these tell you stuff like who made the article, at what time 18:52:53 any fields in paticular you're not sure about? 18:53:06 where in pt6 are you guys? 18:53:22 http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&func=viewpub&tid=3&pid=3 18:53:31 [root@publictest6 output]# pwd 18:53:32 /usr/share/zikula/config/templates/pagemaster/output 18:53:39 itbegins: hiemanshu: toshio's last email on the subject - and I asked him into the conversation as he was the person who initially filed the bug about zikula bundling libraries, and sits on FPC - was that shipping the forked gettext would require an exception from FESCo to be granted. I'll circle back with him today and see if he still holds that opinion. 18:53:55 hiemanshu: thanks 18:54:08 ke4qqq, ok, thanks. 18:54:13 ke4qqq: Sounds good 18:54:28 itbegins: Do we want to keep the tags as a part of the Page? 18:54:55 hiemanshu, remove / use whatever you'd like to 18:55:01 whatever it needs to look good 18:55:13 there's no functional requirement to keep anything 18:55:30 I see 18:55:40 mchua, pcalarco : Your comments on it please 18:55:50 DO you want to keep the values ? 18:56:21 ok, so can we request our 1.2.2 package be tucked in Infrastructure repo in the meantime? 18:56:29 hiemanshu: II do not think we need o keep those on http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&func=viewpub&tid=3&pid=3 18:56:31 pcalarco, unfortunately I'll have to clear out the fedora news articles you've added previously 18:56:41 that's perfectly fine 18:57:12 pcalarco: just leave the date and time of Creation on? or remove that too? 18:57:34 pcalarco: now does http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&func=viewpub&tid=3&pid=3 look any better? 18:58:00 hiemanshu: yes, much! 18:58:17 hiemanshu: i would duplicate that 18:58:31 I just commented the remaining part out, and change cr_date to Date of Creation 18:58:42 if you have any thing else I should name it to let me know 18:59:04 jds2001: thoughts on quaids proposal? 18:59:50 jds2001: we'd like to be ready to move from staging on 3/3, which is probably the same day FESCo meets next :) 18:59:55 hiemanshu: are there fields for the tags as well for that pubtype? If so, it would be good to display those as well 19:00:17 tags meaning something we can create RSS feeds from 19:00:25 or aggregate content 19:00:36 pcalarco: I think itbegins can answer that better 19:00:51 itbegins: ^^ and also is there a way to display author name instead of number? 19:00:54 given their recent voting stance - I feel almost certain they are likely to reject the idea it once everything is taken in context, which is one of the several reasons I haven't asked for an exception 19:02:04 pcalarco, not sure what you're after? We can provide differnet styles of templates for RSS feeds 19:02:17 pcalarco: refresh the page, and feedback please 19:02:20 itbegins: okay, that's all we need 19:02:21 hiemanshu, yes, there is 19:02:45 itbegins: whats the hook for that? 19:03:09 19:03:16 or similar, I forget what the name of the variable is 19:03:25 you can also get real name, which might be nicer 19:03:26 hiemanshu: looks good 19:03:33 just requires everyone to enter their real name in their profile 19:04:39 pcalarco: one more refresh (Author name working now) 19:04:55 there is a licensing problem as well - zikula has stripped the existing license header - which claimed GPLv2+ and now it only claims GPL (which is technically GPL+) ughhhhh 19:05:11 looks good 19:05:14 hiemanshu: very nice 19:05:55 itbegins: what is the Extended Text part? 19:07:29 hiemanshu, you would, for example, display the summary text on the homepage and the summary + the extended text when viewing the full article 19:08:17 itbegins: ah ok, so I'll remove the summary part (leave it for homepage) and only extended text for the full view 19:08:23 pcalarco: ^^ Seem fine? 19:08:35 hiemanshu, more an editoral decision I think :) 19:09:19 hiemanshu: yes, sounds good here 19:09:30 itbegins: can you just replace the wop with dummy text? 19:11:20 pcalarco, could you oblige hiemanshu by editingthe article and/or creating a few more? 19:11:29 pcalarco, I'm a bit in the middle of something here, sorry 19:11:50 itbegins: certainly, on it 19:13:11 thanks, appreciated 19:14:35 pcalarco, if you don't mind, and could create a few sample FWN articles in the FWN section for various beat/date combinations that would be great 19:15:12 threw an error when I created a new FWN beat: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&func=viewpub&tid=4&pid=1 19:16:07 may just be verbose debugging: error was 'Exit handler:Exiting after SQL-error' 19:17:46 the xinha editor isn't displaying in the FWN submission forms 19:21:31 damn the pt3 fas doesnt like me, It wont let me create an account, it says captcha wrong, no matter what 19:22:10 keep refreshing until you get lucky enough to be able to read it 19:22:31 I can read it right 19:22:33 every time 19:22:38 but it wont accept it 19:23:14 pcalarco, my fault 19:23:17 working on it 19:23:32 itbegins: no worries, thanks 19:23:46 * quaid is going to pack up and head back to the office; house just got invaded by girls returned from sleepover with the neighbor friend 19:23:56 and make some coffee, bbi 15min 19:24:51 gsieranski: finally it works :) 19:25:10 pcalarco, SQL error should be done 19:26:44 itbegins: verified, thanks! 19:27:19 I get a access denied error now 19:27:53 * mchua has to head out for the day but will read backlog upon return, feel free to #action me on things. 19:28:09 :) 19:28:21 and its pt6 zikula, after I logged in 19:29:12 gsieranski: you can see it fine? 19:29:42 hiemanshu: Yep! 19:29:51 Damn :( 19:30:16 hiemanshu: the xinh? 19:30:19 xinha 19:30:41 gsieranski: I cant see anything, just gives me a access denied after I logged in 19:30:47 even index.php wont show 19:31:19 let me check 19:32:21 http://hiemanshu.fedorapeople.org/zikula.png 19:32:24 hiemanshu: I went into administration on pt6 and updated your account as administrator, and reset your password to your username 19:32:35 see if you can login now? 19:32:36 i can't log in either 19:33:10 pcalarco: better, I can see it 19:33:13 now 19:36:32 pcalarco: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&func=viewpub&tid=3&pid=3 with some dummy text content 19:37:19 hiemanshu: good job! 19:39:43 the xinha editor looks good; the icons are a bit off on my browser, though? 19:39:53 pcalarco: for me too 19:40:23 back shortly 19:40:55 pcalarco: refresh the page again, see a difference? 19:41:37 hiemanshu: with the editor icons? no. 19:41:52 pcalarco: I meant http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&func=viewpub&tid=3&pid=3 19:43:01 hiemanshu: yes, it looks good. Is there a queue yet for moderating comments? 19:43:51 pcalarco: I am not sure 19:47:59 pcalarco: would you like any more changes to that template or it seems to be fine? 19:48:20 seems very good! 19:50:06 excepting the '_PAGEMASTER_GENERIC_VIEWPUB' which is at the top; I think this is debugging mode, which I assume will be turned off when we go to staging 19:53:15 itbegins: publist_News.htm is the one that shows on the front page right? 19:55:55 hiemanshu, sorry, went to eat 19:56:47 itbegins: no problem 19:57:49 pcalarco: Another edit, it now shows the real name of the Author on the full article, if no real name, it shows the username 19:57:59 hiemanshu, that's correct 19:58:46 itbegins: why isnt it getting any data? (There is atleast one post and that should be shown right) 19:59:22 hiemanshu, it has to be in "published" state 19:59:24 and set as online 19:59:25 hiemanshu: I think the workflow requires review of submitted news 19:59:28 one of those isn't true 20:01:16 I will edit some of the submissions 20:01:39 pcalarco, xinha should be working now i hipe 20:02:31 ah, I am not that good with zikula yet 20:03:06 itbegins: yes, works nicely, although the icons are off-center; minimize/maximize is quite nice 20:03:41 all of the submitted pubs have state=published but are not showing on front page 20:03:57 Array 20:03:57 ( 20:03:57 [id] => 17 20:03:57 [metaid] => 0 20:03:57 [module] => pagemaster 20:03:58 [schemaname] => draft_ready_publish 20:04:00 [state] => published 20:04:02 [type] => 1 20:04:04 [obj_table] => pagemaster_pubdata4 20:04:06 [obj_idcolumn] => id 20:04:08 [obj_id] => 10 20:04:10 [busy] => 0 20:04:12 [debug] => 20:04:16 ) 20:04:20 hmm 20:04:25 are they set as online? 20:06:29 core_online = no 20:07:01 FWN Pubtype 20:07:01 core_title: 10 20:07:01 core_pid: 3 20:07:01 id: 10 20:07:01 Beat Name: Interviews 20:07:01 Date: 2010-02-27 00:00:00 20:07:03 Text: Interview text Fedora Project 20:07:05 core_author: pcalarco [22] 20:07:07 core_hitcount: 2 20:07:09 core_revision: 0 20:07:11 core_online: No 20:07:15 core_indepot: No 20:07:17 core_showinmenu: No 20:07:19 core_showinlist: Yes 20:07:21 core_publishdate: 2010-02-27 00:00:00 20:07:23 core_expiredate: 2010-03-31 00:00:00 20:07:25 obj_status: A 20:07:27 cr_date: 2010-02-27 19:19:38 20:07:29 cr_uid: pcalarco [22] 20:07:31 lu_date: 2010-02-27 19:26:14 20:07:33 lu_uid: pcalarco [22] 20:07:35 __WORKFLOW__: 20:07:37 Array 20:07:39 ( 20:07:41 [id] => 17 20:07:45 [metaid] => 0 20:07:47 [module] => pagemaster 20:07:49 [schemaname] => draft_ready_publish 20:07:51 [state] => published 20:07:53 [type] => 1 20:07:55 [obj_table] => pagemaster_pubdata4 20:07:57 [obj_idcolumn] => id 20:07:59 [obj_id] => 10 20:08:01 [busy] => 0 20:08:03 [debug] => 20:08:05 ) 20:08:08 pcalarco: trying not be rude, please use http://fpaste.org :) 20:08:55 hiemanshu: apologies, newbie to all of this . . . thanks for the suggestion! 20:09:17 pcalarco: np :) 20:09:34 pcalarco: if you did this in #fedora, you would have been kicked out of the channel 20:13:29 quaid: huh? 20:13:39 is there something that needs thrown in the infra repo? 20:13:42 pcalarco, it;'s not online 20:13:43 jds2001: welcome - soooo 20:13:47 here's the thing 20:13:47 * jds2001 has the power to do that.... 20:13:59 zikula forked/bundled a library 20:14:00 hopefully, if you edit the article, and hit the go online button should fix it 20:14:39 ke4qqq: that's not new news :/ 20:14:39 back in december - toshio and I decided that we could 1. patch the existing php-gettext package with zikula changes (it's an option, not a good one, but an option) 20:14:57 * quaid listens 20:15:07 or we could have them maintain zikula-php-gettext separately and package it separately 20:15:15 or 3. we could aske fesco for an exception 20:15:32 how substantially is it modified? 20:15:43 very as I understand it 20:15:46 the changes (/me has been going through the source) and there are two files - in the first file - they have two additional functions 20:15:57 ke4qqq, you know better than me then :) 20:16:02 but we aren't talking the same version - iirc they were on 1.0.7 and we are 1.0.9 20:16:13 I haven't gotten to the second file 20:16:19 the rest of the changes are whitespace changes 20:16:54 though they did clean things up quite a bit and make it more eadable 20:16:56 readable 20:17:35 * ke4qqq is not inclined to ask fesco for an exception (and made that choice back in december) because zikula plans to drop this package when they hit 1.3 20:17:49 so i guess the question revolves around the second file, and why this wasnt done with php-gettext upstream? 20:18:53 pcalarco, did you get anywhere with creating FWN articles? 20:19:01 the initial claim was that upstream was dead - though they have done two releases since december, and two other reasons - 1. is that upstream wouldn't/didn't accept the patches, and 2. they already plan on dropping it because it's not licensed as they want it long term. (they want libs licensed lgplv2) 20:19:21 itbegins: they are all listed as online, but not showing up on the frontpage for some reason 20:19:21 (though upstream appeared dead - aside from the two most recent releases they haven't had a release in three years) 20:19:49 i guess it's just that good :) 20:20:09 well I think a lot of the recent stuff was centered around making it work with php5 20:20:14 but I don't know 20:20:21 so what part is this for? 20:21:00 jds2001, this lbirary is used almost everywhere for gettext (i.e multilingualism in the UI) 20:21:17 ahh, so in the core, not a module. 20:21:24 yeah - I tried just unbundling back in december and it just pukes all over itself 20:22:29 so quaid proposed putting the 1.2.2 build hiemanshu did into infra repo while fedora waits on 1.3.x to fix this issue or we come up with something equally brilliant 20:23:26 yeah, but how long does this last? 20:23:43 im not opposed, but i'd like to get mike's blessing on that. 20:23:51 well drak has promised it's going away with $somethingbetter at 1.3 - but no idea on 1.3 timeline. 20:24:29 I would guess 1.3 is a few months away 20:24:38 but things may move faster 20:24:58 having said that, development priorities changed recently so I can't guarantee we will see movement on the gettext library issue in 1.3 20:25:34 :( 20:27:45 itbegins: any chance drak is on irc now? 20:28:19 ke4qqq, don't think so, he's in Nepal I believe 20:28:50 ahhhh ok 20:29:42 ke4qqq: yes,that is summary what I proposed 20:29:57 pcalarco, bug in the workflow still, I'm looking at it now 20:31:08 itbegins: thanks! 20:31:29 quaid: im the fng in sysadmin-main - while I technically can put whatever i want in the infra repo, I'd like Mike's signoff before doing that since the package is unacceptable for inclusion otherwise. 20:32:00 jds2001: agreed 20:32:03 but i think that this is a good case for it, especially since it should be going away next upstream version 20:32:28 and it's not entirely clear if it is unfixeable,i.e. a way to make it acceptable 20:32:34 but not by Wed. 20:32:52 ok, should we file up a ticket or email mike or #fedora-admin? 20:33:07 i pinged him in #fedora-admin, but he's probably away 20:36:35 pcalarco, so I think the reivison control is broken at the moment. I've turned it off which may fix the problem 20:36:40 longer term we can fix it properly 20:36:57 itbegins: great, thanks 20:37:15 I will edit a couple articles again and re-publish 20:38:11 jds2001: sounds like a ticket, so we can get input from all 20:38:33 you, ke4qqq, abadger, mmcgrath, itbegins, mchua_afk etc. 20:38:41 quaid: you wanna open it? 20:38:46 am doing it now :) 20:38:53 cool :) 20:39:16 * quaid being all project managerial and stuff 20:41:12 itbegins: no difference with new published articles 20:41:31 pcalarco, looking 20:56:48 * ke4qqq notes he is going offline for a few hours, but will be back 20:57:09 pcalarco, it's working for the FWN pubtype 20:57:23 ke4qqq, goodnight then, I'll be in bed when you're back! 20:57:31 thanks for your help 20:57:47 wish I had actually been of help 20:58:56 itbegins: should these be showing at http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php ? 20:59:09 pcalarco, nope, working on that one 21:11:14 http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php 21:11:19 how are we looking? 21:12:15 itbegins: sweet need to fix the link though, what do I link it to? 21:12:21 the hook? 21:12:38 "> ? 21:13:21 21:13:30 close though :) 21:13:51 that would do for the publist pages 21:14:13 yes 21:14:55 * hiemanshu wonders whether to link title or add a read more 21:16:03 itbegins: works :) [This closes the blocker ticket] 21:16:08 .design 85 21:16:10 hiemanshu: #85 (need 'read more' link for bottom of article previews on front page of insight) - Design Team - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/85 21:16:34 itbegins: great! 21:17:14 itbegins: btw what country are you in? 21:17:22 * hiemanshu always hits the wrong channel :( 21:17:39 UK 21:17:44 ah 21:19:39 hiemanshu, how about you? 21:20:19 itbegins: India 21:20:30 hiemanshu, it's pretty late for you then 21:20:57 itbegins: I usually sleep at 5AM, my $dayjob is from 8PM to 4AM my time 21:21:25 and also I am suffering from insomnia 21:22:20 hiemanshu, that's not great, hope you get better soon 21:22:31 itbegins: yup I wish too 21:23:43 itbegins: ok, so generic news type is publishing correctly to front (I just submitted one there), but FWN pubtype not yet 21:24:49 pcalarco: Summary goes on front page and full article in Extended text 21:25:32 http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&tid=4 21:27:06 hiemanshu, I think the FWN template needs work - I'll explain 21:27:40 the way we envisioned FWN working is that beat writers would submit articles to the FWN page (each beat being a separate article) 21:28:08 using some template magic on the FWN publist page, we concatenate articles for the same issue into a single "article" 21:28:39 then, separately, pcalarco can post an article (When the FWN issue is done) linking to the publist page for the FWN articles 21:28:48 hiemanshu, pcalarco does that make sense? 21:29:05 itbegins: makes complete sense to me 21:29:11 itbegins: you want to work on it now? 21:29:14 itbegins: yes 21:29:19 * hiemanshu has to go out in about 20 minutes 21:29:30 hiemanshu, on the logic side, I've changed the FWN publist template code 21:29:40 it should print an
between articles with different dates 21:29:51 pcalarco, I was wondering, should we move to an issue nubmer, or keep the date field? 21:29:53 Yup I see that 21:30:13 probably an issue number 21:30:28 but the date field is still relevant and useful I thinkl 21:30:47 hiemanshu, so, if you or another designer can design some sort of display for that (aggregating same-issue submissions together in a visually-clever way) that would be ideal 21:31:23 we could defer to tomorrow if you two would like; this has been phenomenally productive today; you gents are awesome! 21:31:44 itbegins: I can do that with a little help from you 21:32:37 hiemanshu, I'm trying to get some stuff in there to start you off 21:32:48 unfortunately I am completely talentless when it comes to design stuff 21:32:49 itbegins, pcalarco: If you can give me a test copy of the setup you want, I can work on fixing the template 21:35:05 ok, I'm throwing the entire channel on this ticket :) 21:35:16 hiemanshu: the workflow is explained at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/FIWorkFlow 21:35:29 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2008 21:35:47 pcalarco: I understand that part, but if you set it up it would easier for me to fix it when I come back later 21:35:47 feels like it was 2008 when we started this 21:35:52 lol 21:36:47 hiemanshu: what precisely do you mean by 'set it up'? 21:36:51 quaid: looks right to me :) 21:36:58 pcalarco: write a few test articles 21:37:07 and link me to the publist 21:37:10 ah ok, sure no problem 21:37:41 I have to go to the lake nearby, I spend my early sunday morning there 21:37:42 I will take last week's issue and repost these as new articles 21:37:51 pcalarco: yes that would work 21:38:13 perfect; have a wonderful sunday morning, hiemanshu! 21:38:30 pcalarco, we'll need a range of issue #s and beats for each issue 21:38:46 itbegins, sure will do 21:38:53 hiemanshu, enjoy yourself - I am heading to bed in a couple of hours so catch me by email if there's anything you need 21:39:12 itbegins: Sure, Sleep well 21:39:29 I will start on this now 21:39:30 quaid, thanks for adding that ticket 21:40:07 is anyone blocked on me for anything? 21:40:16 if so, I'll attempt to look at it in the next hour 21:45:16 itbegins: the only thing I have is the FWN pubtype not publishing to the front page 21:45:27 that may be a known issue though 21:45:59 pcalarco, I dont' think we ever planned for that? 21:46:09 pcalarco, meaning, posting a message on the front page is manual 21:46:17 then you link to the FWN page from there 21:46:44 so rather than posting the full FWN on the front page, we post an article with the summary and link to the full version 21:46:50 oh, I see; so I would create a generic news pub for the entire FWN 21:46:58 the full version link points to the FWN list page 21:47:19 pcalarco, so the process is this: 21:47:35 beat writers submit articles to the FWN pub list 21:47:48 through template magic these are aggregated in to a "FWN issue" 21:47:50 okay, makes sense; so it would point to this page then: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&tid=4 21:48:15 assuming these are aggregated separate FWN issues 21:48:27 then when the issue is complete, you post the summary in the news publist pointing to the link you just sent 21:48:37 that sound ok? 21:48:49 yes, that works, thanks for the clarification 21:48:54 it would be quite a technological challenge to get FWN issues to automatically post to the front page, hence the above workflow 21:49:40 the titles that post on the above pages should be more descriptive than they presently are then 21:50:16 these are just the categories of the individual beats and don't denote date or issue, etc 21:50:51 pcalarco, so there will be a header "Fedora Weekly News Issue 212" 21:50:57 then the individual beats listed 21:51:02 yes, precisely 21:51:13 pcalarco, that will all be done through template magic 21:51:33 okay great, I start adding content then; thanks so much! 21:51:39 pcalarco: before I go, have you seen the way distrowatch.com releases Issues? 21:52:04 Yes 21:52:11 Use that workflow 21:52:39 frontpage only links to issue 21:52:54 will do; thanks for the suggestion 21:53:25 anyways I am gonna run now 21:53:35 see you guys tomorrow (or later if you are awake) 21:53:46 hiemanshu: bye for now! 21:55:07 pcalarco, hve you added anything to FWN yet? 21:55:11 I might have to clear it out again 21:55:16 hiemanshu, thanks for all your help again 21:55:43 itbegins: I have been clearing them out; just have one in there now; no problem to clear 21:55:51 pcalarco, thanks 21:56:13 pcalarco, actually, don't think i need to 21:56:24 pcalarco, just got confused because you were deleting things :) 22:01:44 pcalarco, I've just improved the FWN form a bit 22:03:09 itbegins: thanks, I see the issue field now 22:08:01 pcalarco, we are getting somewhere: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&tid=4 22:12:21 pcalarco, including text now: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&tid=4 22:15:20 itbegins: looks good! It would be useful if there was a way to explicitly order each beat within an issue, as writers are going to be submitting these at different times 22:15:41 pcalarco, I can add a "weight" field and order by that 22:15:55 yes, that would work, thanks 22:18:12 pcalarco, done 22:26:47 itbegins: Okay, so this seems to be working well now; a couple questions as I am thinking through this: 22:27:29 pcalarco, shoot 22:27:45 there are going to be a lot of individual beats on this FWN pub page; what's a reasonable number before they should be cleared out? 22:28:27 pcalarco, they can stay forever - the latest 25 beats will always be displayed, then a pager will be available to show the rest 22:28:38 also, what's the syntax for when I am creating the generic news page for the front page, so I can point to the identifier for the individual beat 22:29:08 pcalarco, that gets a bit more difficult - I'll have to figure that out, give me a sec 22:29:17 for example from this page: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&type=admin&func=publist&tid=4 22:29:31 title appears to be the key 22:30:38 or, use the PID there and then we could use the title field for something more descriptive? 22:32:01 publish date or issue along with beat category would be helpful on thi spage as well 22:32:39 http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&tid=4&filter=issue:eq:213 22:32:46 that shows only issue 213 22:32:50 does that help? 22:36:43 yes, that's great 22:37:14 so on the frontpage I would just have one link to this page? 22:38:26 also, comments will be enabled for frontpage items, but not for these FWN pages, right? I think that is fine 22:41:30 Okay, generic news article pointing to FWN 213 now on frontpage: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ Is this what you were thinking? 22:43:16 yes, you link to that page 22:43:33 comments would be fontpage only yes 22:44:14 pcalarco, that's exactly it 22:44:25 excellent! 22:44:55 pcalarco, I am going to head off now 22:45:02 should be around a bit tomorrow, not much 22:45:21 yes, thanks so much simon, accomplished almost everyhting today 22:45:30 great job 22:45:32 pcalarco, no problem, thanks for your help 22:45:39 pcalarco, it's good to get so close 22:45:46 I will report back to the lists 22:45:58 have a good night and weekend! 22:58:43 * quaid reads the back log and considers closing the meeting log 23:22:18 #link http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&tid=4 23:22:19 quaid: yes, we are done for today; thanks so much for your help! 23:22:24 that's one worth glancing at 23:22:35 aye, pcalarco, thanks for organizing and running, quite good stuff today 23:22:46 * quaid closing log 23:22:55 #endmeeting