17:04:02 #startmeeting 17:04:03 Meeting started Mon Feb 22 17:04:02 2010 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:04:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:04:54 #topic crossdump of quaid's brain + other commentators on GSoC/Summer Coding SIG for mchua; purpose of trading work tasks for a few weeks 17:05:12 * quaid looks at +VOt ... 17:14:34 he needs op too 17:14:51 moment 17:15:55 do #topic again 17:34:01 quaid: I'm done with my braindump in #fedora-mktg - going to send a few emails and maybe grab some food with my mom, but will read backscroll and ping when I'm back 17:36:22 ok 17:49:17 quaid, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010_IRC_Channel 17:50:00 thx loupgaroublond 17:50:07 oh, right 17:50:21 I set the levels for zodbot but didn't actually give it ops 17:57:50 should fix the zodbot art to say something meaningful in binary 18:04:59 quaid: Ok, actually going for lunch with mom now 18:05:01 back in an hour or so ish 18:33:00 yep, I can't give this an early focus in comparison but I'm working on it 20:51:49 is the meeting still running? 20:55:43 loupgaroublond: afaik. 20:56:01 where? :) 20:56:23 Here... I thought? 20:56:28 quaid: ^^ 23:29:55 #link 23:30:01 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010_IRC_Channel 23:30:20 yeah, today turned out to be a not good day for doing all the stuff I planned for 23:43:47 quaid: I had one of Those Days when staying on top of incoming new stuff ate most of my soul 23:44:00 quaid: when do you want to sit down for a bit and close up the transfer? 23:44:37 for gsoc stuff, I think I can start running on a pretty minimal skeleton - and I'm ok with running blindly and then being told when I collide with past stuff. 23:57:13 * mchua in #gsoc talking with lhawthorn 23:57:45 who is +1-ing making a SoC model sans G, and RITSteve is in there presenting RIT as a perfect test case 23:57:50 it's quite nice 23:58:08 I'm trying to see if we have any other upstreams to draw on / go-to 23:59:32 mchua: tomorrow first thing if not before 23:59:40 I'll be back at work harder in the later evening, which you might be around for 00:00:02 we're not hurting with the open log right now 00:00:54 #topic Open meeting logging in process as quaid and mchua do a crossbraindump 00:01:04 there, now it's not a secret :) 00:01:21 quaid: oh nice! 00:01:26 zodbot, you have privs! 00:01:38 quaid: when am I ever not around? ;) 04:25:35 quaid: le ping 04:25:54 quaid: I need to know whether I ought to worry about FI tomorrow (or if we are just doing the handoffs then, during our normal morning sprint time). 06:05:20 quaid: at this point I'm guessing "during our normal morning sprint time," but I'm still up and working for a bit. 14:54:11 quaid: le pingity 22:27:50 OK, I'm going to roll with what we have right now and see how far it gets us 22:28:03 and mchua can catch the log later :) 22:28:28 The story is this: 22:28:48 #topic crossbraindump aka the story 22:31:01 For years we have been conducting our GSoC in generally the same way 22:31:30 we would announce to the project to get together a list of ideas 22:31:43 we would put that up in one location; later we cross linked with a list on jboss.org 22:31:57 then students look at that list and propose based on it or their own ideas 22:32:02 with the proposing happening in the Google tool 22:32:26 In my experience, about 20% of the students would reach out to talk ideas and approaches in advance and outside of the Google app tool 22:32:34 that is, 20% of the students who have proposals that were accepted 22:32:42 it's a much smaller rate for stuents overall who apply 22:32:46 those usually seem to use the tool 22:33:01 and about IME 20% would find people on IRC during the Google tool using period 22:33:16 we have improved our process for listing and exposing potential ideas 22:33:20 and improved our count of mentors 22:33:26 but not really improved our count of student slots 22:33:34 and not really had a leap in successes 22:34:11 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_report_2009 22:34:23 that report shows most of the good stuff 22:34:30 I won't go in to the details of that 22:34:38 but there are some clear advantages of participating 22:35:04 and by focusing on $something we hope to increase the quantity and quality of student projects 22:35:12 what is that $something? 22:35:31 * Improved methods with mentors and the sub-projects around them. 22:35:41 * Improved communication with upstream(s) 22:35:59 * Better enabling of students to work on their own ideas, even within a larger framework of an idea of a sub-project/mentor 22:36:26 * Better pull of students who are already in Fedora/JBoss, as that is a sure-fire success factor. 22:36:45 to get there, we need to have some process pages and communication with the affected audiences 22:37:20 #info audiences: students, mentors, sub-projects, upstreams, admininstrators 22:37:38 we held a FAD last Friday at SCALE 8x 22:38:15 with myself, Scott Williams, Ben Williams, and Larry Cafiero in person, loupgaroublond working it from remote 22:38:24 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE_8x_2010_FAD 22:38:39 we suceeded in writing the GSoC 2010 plan 22:38:52 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010_plan 22:39:02 next steps: 22:39:29 1. populate https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010 based on details in [[GSoC 2010 plan]] 22:39:34 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010 22:40:02 2. that gives us the info needed to write the [[GSoC 2010 sub-project how-to]] (page does not yet exist) 22:40:36 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010_sub-project_how-to 22:40:50 then we start publicity 22:41:06 do whatever we can to let sub-projects in Fedora and JBoss.org know what is expected of them 22:42:01 #action all in the loop blog and make noise about the new information, audience: mentors, sub-projects, upstreams, students, administrators 22:42:42 we can engage all this through the Summer Coding SIG 22:42:52 who can help coordinate with Fedora and JBoss.org 22:43:00 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG 22:43:16 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/summer-coding 22:43:33 oh, these were the goals for the FAD 22:43:37 # Complete write-up for mentoring sub-projects and students about who, what, where, when, how, and why. 22:43:41 # Complete workflow so mentors, admins, and SIG members know who, what, where, when, how, and why. 22:43:44 # Public facing who, what, where, when, how, and why content. 22:43:54 those were not met because we spent the time working on the plan 22:44:10 this consisted of sessions of me outpouring, the others trying to make sense, we edited from there, and moved on 22:45:00 I'll comment on the overall FAD via my blog at a Soon Date 22:49:17 #action get the GSoC stuff run through Marketing, on the calendar 22:49:33 #action make noise to devel list(s), IRC, etc. (channels identified in plan) 22:50:19 #action get Campus Ambassadors + anyone working/studying near students + all of the projects telling students about the opportunity. 22:51:30 #action derive the rest of the actions from the [[GSoC 2010 plan]] 22:51:39 I think that might be it for the immediate stuff 22:51:51 I'll close this meeting, then send the logs to the list + mchua 22:51:54 #endmeeting