17:04:02 <quaid> #startmeeting
17:04:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Feb 22 17:04:02 2010 UTC.  The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:04:54 <quaid> #topic crossdump of quaid's brain + other commentators on GSoC/Summer Coding SIG for mchua; purpose of trading work tasks for a few weeks
17:05:12 * quaid looks at +VOt ...
17:14:34 <loupgaroublond> he needs op too
17:14:51 <loupgaroublond> moment
17:15:55 <loupgaroublond> do #topic again
17:34:01 <mchua> quaid: I'm done with my braindump in #fedora-mktg - going to send a few emails and maybe grab some food with my mom, but will read backscroll and ping when I'm back
17:36:22 <quaid> ok
17:49:17 <loupgaroublond> quaid, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010_IRC_Channel
17:50:00 <quaid> thx loupgaroublond
17:50:07 <quaid> oh, right
17:50:21 <quaid> I set the levels for zodbot but didn't actually give it ops
17:57:50 <loupgaroublond> should fix the zodbot art to say something meaningful in binary
18:04:59 <mchua> quaid: Ok, actually going for lunch with mom now
18:05:01 <mchua> back in an hour or so ish
18:33:00 <quaid> yep, I can't give this an early focus in comparison but I'm working on it
20:51:49 <loupgaroublond> is the meeting still running?
20:55:43 <mchua> loupgaroublond: afaik.
20:56:01 <loupgaroublond> where? :)
20:56:23 <mchua> Here... I thought?
20:56:28 <mchua> quaid: ^^
23:29:55 <quaid> #link
23:30:01 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010_IRC_Channel
23:30:20 <quaid> yeah, today turned out to be a not good day for doing all the stuff I planned for
23:43:47 <mchua> quaid: I had one of Those Days when staying on top of incoming new stuff ate most of my soul
23:44:00 <mchua> quaid: when do you want to sit down for a bit and close up the transfer?
23:44:37 <mchua> for gsoc stuff, I think I can start running on a pretty minimal skeleton - and I'm ok with running blindly and then being told when I collide with past stuff.
23:57:13 * mchua in #gsoc talking with lhawthorn
23:57:45 <mchua> who is +1-ing making a SoC model sans G, and RITSteve is in there presenting RIT as a perfect test case
23:57:50 <mchua> it's quite nice
23:58:08 <mchua> I'm trying to see if we have any other upstreams to draw on / go-to
23:59:32 <quaid> mchua: tomorrow first thing if not before
23:59:40 <quaid> I'll be back at work harder in the later evening, which you might be around for
00:00:02 <quaid> we're not hurting with the open log right now
00:00:54 <quaid> #topic Open meeting logging in process as quaid and mchua do a crossbraindump
00:01:04 <quaid> there, now it's not a secret :)
00:01:21 <mchua> quaid: oh nice!
00:01:26 <mchua> zodbot, you have privs!
00:01:38 <mchua> quaid: when am I ever not around? ;)
04:25:35 <mchua> quaid: le ping
04:25:54 <mchua> quaid: I need to know whether I ought to worry about FI tomorrow (or if we are just doing the handoffs then, during our normal morning sprint time).
06:05:20 <mchua> quaid: at this point I'm guessing "during our normal morning sprint time," but I'm still up and working for a bit.
14:54:11 <mchua> quaid: le pingity
22:27:50 <quaid> OK, I'm going to roll with what we have right now and see how far it gets us
22:28:03 <quaid> and mchua can catch the log later :)
22:28:28 <quaid> The story is this:
22:28:48 <quaid> #topic crossbraindump aka the story
22:31:01 <quaid> For years we have been conducting our GSoC in generally the same way
22:31:30 <quaid> we would announce to the project to get together a list of ideas
22:31:43 <quaid> we would put that up in one location; later we cross linked with a list on jboss.org
22:31:57 <quaid> then students look at that list and propose based on it or their own ideas
22:32:02 <quaid> with the proposing happening in the Google tool
22:32:26 <quaid> In my experience, about 20% of the students would reach out to talk ideas and approaches in advance and outside of the Google app tool
22:32:34 <quaid> that is, 20% of the students who have proposals that were accepted
22:32:42 <quaid> it's a much smaller rate for stuents overall who apply
22:32:46 <quaid> those usually seem to use the tool
22:33:01 <quaid> and about IME 20% would find people on IRC during the Google tool using period
22:33:16 <quaid> we have improved our process for listing and exposing potential ideas
22:33:20 <quaid> and improved our count of mentors
22:33:26 <quaid> but not really improved our count of student slots
22:33:34 <quaid> and not really had a leap in successes
22:34:11 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_report_2009
22:34:23 <quaid> that report shows most of the good stuff
22:34:30 <quaid> I won't go in to the details of that
22:34:38 <quaid> but there are some clear advantages of participating
22:35:04 <quaid> and by focusing on $something we hope to increase the quantity and quality of student projects
22:35:12 <quaid> what is that $something?
22:35:31 <quaid> * Improved methods with mentors and the sub-projects around them.
22:35:41 <quaid> * Improved communication with upstream(s)
22:35:59 <quaid> * Better enabling of students to work on their own ideas, even within a larger framework of an idea of a sub-project/mentor
22:36:26 <quaid> * Better pull of students who are already in Fedora/JBoss, as that is a sure-fire success factor.
22:36:45 <quaid> to get there, we need to have some process pages and communication with the affected audiences
22:37:20 <quaid> #info audiences: students, mentors, sub-projects, upstreams, admininstrators
22:37:38 <quaid> we held a FAD last Friday at SCALE 8x
22:38:15 <quaid> with myself, Scott Williams, Ben Williams, and Larry Cafiero in person, loupgaroublond working it from remote
22:38:24 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE_8x_2010_FAD
22:38:39 <quaid> we suceeded in writing the GSoC 2010 plan
22:38:52 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010_plan
22:39:02 <quaid> next steps:
22:39:29 <quaid> 1. populate https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010 based on details in [[GSoC 2010 plan]]
22:39:34 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010
22:40:02 <quaid> 2. that gives us the info needed to write the [[GSoC 2010 sub-project how-to]] (page does not yet exist)
22:40:36 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSoC_2010_sub-project_how-to
22:40:50 <quaid> then we start publicity
22:41:06 <quaid> do whatever we can to let sub-projects in Fedora and JBoss.org know what is expected of them
22:42:01 <quaid> #action all in the loop blog and make noise about the new information, audience: mentors, sub-projects, upstreams, students, administrators
22:42:42 <quaid> we can engage all this through the Summer Coding SIG
22:42:52 <quaid> who can help coordinate with Fedora and JBoss.org
22:43:00 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG
22:43:16 <quaid> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/summer-coding
22:43:33 <quaid> oh, these were the goals for the FAD
22:43:37 <quaid> #  Complete write-up for mentoring sub-projects and students about who, what, where, when, how, and why.
22:43:41 <quaid> # Complete workflow so mentors, admins, and SIG members know who, what, where, when, how, and why.
22:43:44 <quaid> # Public facing who, what, where, when, how, and why content.
22:43:54 <quaid> those were not met because we spent the time working on the plan
22:44:10 <quaid> this consisted of sessions of me outpouring, the others trying to make sense, we edited from there, and moved on
22:45:00 <quaid> I'll comment on the overall FAD via my blog at a Soon Date
22:49:17 <quaid> #action get the GSoC stuff run through Marketing, on the calendar
22:49:33 <quaid> #action make noise to devel list(s), IRC, etc. (channels identified in plan)
22:50:19 <quaid> #action get Campus Ambassadors + anyone working/studying near students + all of the projects telling students about the opportunity.
22:51:30 <quaid> #action derive the rest of the actions from the [[GSoC 2010 plan]]
22:51:39 <quaid> I think that might be it for the immediate stuff
22:51:51 <quaid> I'll close this meeting, then send the logs to the list + mchua
22:51:54 <quaid> #endmeeting