03:42:48 <aeng> #startmeeting
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03:43:04 <aeng> #meetingname zanata-survey
03:43:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'zanata-survey'
03:43:41 <ani> cool :)
03:43:49 <ani> thanks aeng
03:44:07 <aeng> #meetingtopic Finalize the date for Zanata survey execution
03:44:21 <aeng> #meetingtopic "Finalize the date for Zanata survey execution"
03:44:35 <ani> okay.. so
03:44:47 <ani> we have the following dates :Aug 18th - L10n test day
03:44:47 <ani> Aug 25th - Software Translation deadline
03:44:48 <ani> September 4th - i18n test day
03:45:07 <ani> Hence, we can have our Zanata survey sent out to community by 2nd or 3rd week of Sept after Beta Freeze on 8th Sept. Thats what I feel
03:45:13 <ani> what do you think ?
03:45:47 <ani> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/Schedule
03:45:58 <pravins> hi all, apologies for being late :(
03:46:07 <aeng> hi pravins
03:46:16 <ani> hi pravins .. we are on the first topic - finalising the survey execution date
03:46:31 <aeng> do we need to wait until i18n completes? or just to wait ?
03:46:36 <lukebrooker> ani, Will the translators have all used Zanata by that point?
03:46:57 <paragan> I think zodbot here is not having permission to change channel topic, will be fixed later on
03:47:03 <ani> yes..
03:47:16 <ani> aeng, I thought its better to have the survey after the work load :)
03:47:17 <lukebrooker> Ok that sounds like it will work then
03:47:19 <ani> nothing else
03:47:24 <pravins> paragan: ohh, no problem.
03:47:26 <aeng> ani, alright.
03:47:37 <aeng> addchair lukebrooker
03:47:41 <aeng> #addchair lukebrooker
03:47:43 <pravins> lukebrooker: yeah, most of the l10n people have used Zanata by that time.
03:48:09 <aeng> #chair pravins
03:48:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng pravins
03:48:14 <pravins> aeng: thanks :)
03:48:15 <aeng> #chair lukebrooker
03:48:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng lukebrooker pravins
03:48:25 <ani> so we can shoot the survey by 2nd week September ?
03:48:26 <aeng> #chair ani
03:48:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng ani lukebrooker pravins
03:48:36 <ani> aeng, :)
03:48:45 <pravins> #topic Date for Execution of Zanata survey
03:48:45 <lukebrooker> ani, #agreed
03:48:47 <aeng> alright, all agreed
03:48:58 <ani> cool.. so next topic then :D
03:49:15 <pravins> which date exactly :)
03:49:19 <lukebrooker> #topic What is the objective of the survey?
03:49:27 <ani> oh pravins we need to have a date?
03:49:40 <ani> Sept 14, Monday ?
03:49:47 <pravins> or will we run this whole week?
03:50:08 <lukebrooker> We can send it out sept 14th
03:50:09 <ani> we will have to keep the survey for one week ofcourse
03:50:26 <aeng> send out survey on that week, wait for 5-10 days after that?
03:50:27 <ani> or maybe on 9th Sept too is fine
03:50:33 <ani> aeng, exactly
03:50:42 <pravins> aha sounds good. Then we can start on 9th Sept and keep it open till Sunday.
03:50:45 <ani> we need to keep survey open for a week for people to respond
03:50:53 <aeng> +1
03:51:05 <ani> pravins, 9th to 15th :)
03:51:06 <ani> one week
03:51:16 <pravins> LGTM
03:51:19 <lukebrooker> I'm happy to leave it open, really
03:51:29 <lukebrooker> Did anyone have a specific tool in mind?
03:51:46 <ani> lukebrooker, he he..  we can use googleform ?
03:52:02 <ani> or any other option ?
03:52:15 <aeng> lukebrooker, have you got anything in mind?
03:52:17 <lukebrooker> I have used http://www.typeform.com/ in the past
03:52:24 * ani checking
03:52:32 <lukebrooker> It's a little nice UX
03:52:35 <lukebrooker> nicer
03:53:09 <pravins> Need to check with Fedora Infra if we have anything specific to Fedora.
03:53:10 <ani> pravins, is it necessary whether to use any Fedora specific forms?
03:53:20 <ani> lukebrooker, I agree.. it looks nice
03:53:45 <ani> okay in that case pravins can you check if anything specific to Fedora Infra else we can go with typeform
03:53:53 <ani> ?
03:53:53 <pravins> lukebrooker: lets freeze typeform for now.
03:54:02 <ani> +1
03:54:12 <aeng> good
03:54:40 <pravins> #agreed Using typeform for survey.
03:54:40 <lukebrooker> #agreed
03:55:12 <ani> action for pravins - to check with Fedora infra
03:55:27 <ani> donno the zodbot format ;)
03:55:40 <pravins> #action pravins will check with infra is there is any Fedora specific survey utility available.
03:55:50 <ani> thanks :)
03:55:57 <pravins> lets come to objective :)
03:56:03 <ani> okay 2nd topic
03:56:18 <aeng> #topic action for pravins - to check with Fedora infra
03:56:26 <aeng> #topic What is the objective of the survey?
03:56:30 <aeng> sorry, typo
03:56:40 <ani> okay.. so regarding objectives:
03:56:42 <ani> (i) Collect feedback from community users - translators and developers .
03:56:42 <ani> (ii) Get Zanata more involved with the community and create a healthy relationship with the community.
03:56:42 <ani> (iii) Create awareness in the community about Zanata - its advantages and features
03:56:50 <ani> these are few in my mind
03:57:18 <lukebrooker> I had: To find out the major hurdles of the transition from Transifex to Zanata
03:57:36 <ani> yup agree lukebrooker
03:57:40 <pravins> good one !!
03:58:02 <ani> anything else ?
03:58:21 <lukebrooker> I think some translator may have opinions they haven't expressed to the community, but might do so through an anonymous survey
03:58:31 <pravins> #info Objective 1: Create awareness of Zanata in Fedora community
03:58:33 <ani> very true
03:58:51 <aeng> good.. i can start complaining too..
03:58:58 <pravins> #info Objective 2: Find out if any difficulty while migration from Transifex to Zanata
03:59:07 <ani> aeng, ;)
03:59:32 <pravins> #info Objective 3 Collect feedback from Zanata users (L10n and Developers)
03:59:57 <lukebrooker> I'm not sure how we can do: Create awareness in the community about Zanata - its advantages and features
04:00:06 <lukebrooker> in a survey
04:00:19 <pravins> #info Objective 4: Get Zanata devel more involved in Fedora.
04:00:29 <lukebrooker> This might be better as a report after collecting survey results
04:00:39 <pravins> With survey it will definitely spread the word Zanata :)
04:00:49 <ani> lukebrooker, yup.. agree :)
04:00:52 <aeng> lukebrooker, perhaps it more of an action rather than survey
04:00:59 <lukebrooker> Also, Collect feedback from Zanata users (L10n and Developers), is basically the definition of survey, not very specific
04:01:37 <pravins> lukebrooker: agree, we need to dig down further. May be while drafting questions thing will be more clear?
04:01:53 <lukebrooker> pravins, yep
04:01:56 <aeng> goo done pravins
04:01:58 <aeng> good
04:02:18 <lukebrooker> pravins, just want to be specific about objectives to create the right questions
04:02:22 <ani> okies
04:02:29 <ani> lukebrooker, correct
04:02:40 <aeng> alright, let move on to next topic
04:02:51 <aeng> #topic Whom are we targeting ?
04:02:59 <aeng> translators
04:03:01 <aeng> maintainers
04:03:07 <aeng> reviewers
04:03:19 <lukebrooker> yep
04:03:20 <aeng> basically anyone that uses Zanata
04:03:26 <ani> Fedora community Users. We have two category of users :
04:03:26 <ani> (i) Translators & Reviewers- Who use the Zanata interface to translate the Fedora files to their languages
04:03:26 <ani> (ii) Developers - Who use Zanata to upload/download the po files for their packages.
04:03:30 <pravins> agree with lukebrooker.
04:03:33 <ani> yes aeng
04:03:35 <lukebrooker> How will this be sent out to target those groups?
04:03:56 <aeng> are we gonna create separate survey targeting different group?
04:04:00 <pravins> even, i am doubtful frankly speaking l10n and devel are two clear different groups
04:04:16 <ani> aeng, yes we need to have separate surveys I guess
04:04:52 <lukebrooker> I think we could make the questions general enough to cover everyone
04:04:56 <ani> or again depending upon our question sets we can decide whether have one single or separate surveys
04:05:05 <ani> yes lukebrooker
04:05:12 <pravins> lukebrooker: if thats possible, i will vote for having single survey !!
04:05:18 <ani> +1
04:05:32 <pravins> two survey will be definitely looks too much at this stage.
04:05:38 <lukebrooker> I can add a bit at the end to see if they are willing for me to contact them with more specific questions individually
04:05:39 <ani> we can have the general simple questions for this first Zanata survey which can be common for all
04:05:52 <aeng> well, we can have 1, then they can answer irrelevant to those question that doesnt apply to them
04:05:54 <pravins> ani: +1
04:06:02 <ani> agree to all :)
04:06:16 <lukebrooker> ani, that's what I was thinking
04:06:19 <pravins> aeng: good point !! with this we can definitely go for single survey !!
04:06:38 <ani> :)
04:06:54 <aeng> alright
04:07:13 <pravins> #agreed to having single survey to cover L10n and Package Maintainers.
04:07:37 <aeng> #topic How many questions and what type of questions
04:08:00 <lukebrooker> As many as needed
04:08:05 <lukebrooker> I have some examples
04:08:19 <aeng> but not tooooo many
04:08:27 <pravins> yeah.
04:08:29 <lukebrooker> We can work some out now and I can make an action item to finalise
04:08:30 <ani> * Questions should be simple and short
04:08:30 <ani> * Can limit the number of questions to max 10.
04:08:40 <ani> okay
04:08:57 <lukebrooker> ani, yep, not too many, we won't need many to cover objectives
04:09:03 <ani> some general questions. something like :  (i) what community like about Zanata ?
04:09:03 <ani> (ii) What community does not like about Zanata ?
04:09:03 <ani> (iii) If community wants to see any changes, what would that be?
04:09:03 <ani> (iv) Are you happy with the our response to your queries or doubts?
04:09:34 <ani> please feel free to add or remove.. just some general questions came to my mind
04:09:41 <lukebrooker> How does Zanata compare to Transifex?
04:09:43 <ani> lukebrooker, yes
04:09:57 <aeng> alright, let keep the questions for next topic
04:09:59 <lukebrooker> What do you find most frustrating about Zanata?
04:10:04 <pravins> may be direct comparison with specific tool not sounds good.
04:10:17 <lukebrooker> If you could change one thing about Zanata what would it be and why?
04:10:18 <pravins> How Zanata comparing to ealrier translation platform ;)
04:10:32 <aeng> how does Zanata compare to your previous tool(s)?
04:10:40 <pravins> aeng: yes :)
04:10:41 <ani> thats good
04:10:59 <lukebrooker> What do you like best about Zanata?
04:11:09 <ani> yes
04:11:14 <pravins> I think for now, lets freeze for 10 question but if require no harm in making it 15, How do you feel?
04:11:20 <lukebrooker> What features could you not live without?
04:11:25 <aeng> 15-20 ~
04:11:44 <pravins> nice question !!
04:11:47 <ani> 20 would be too long right.. thats what I feel...
04:12:14 <aeng> well, prepare 15-20, then filter out to 10-15
04:12:14 <lukebrooker> I think we can keep it around 10
04:12:23 <ani> yup max max 15
04:12:24 <lukebrooker> especially if they are free form and not multiple choice
04:12:41 <aeng> agree on max 15
04:12:41 <pravins> aha
04:12:52 <ani> we do not want to have a lengthy one especially for our first survey :D
04:13:02 <lukebrooker> Yep
04:13:06 <pravins> i think at this stage people might be not aware regarding Zanata that much, so should we give them options?
04:13:20 <lukebrooker> Honestly we shouldn't need a lot
04:13:25 <aeng> yup, its not english test writing essay
04:13:33 <ani> ha ha ;)
04:13:55 <aeng> so keep to 10?
04:14:08 <aeng> free form?
04:14:13 <pravins> i a user for survey, i would love 10 question :)
04:14:15 <aeng> 10-15~~~~~
04:14:29 <pravins> aeng: yes, i think lets keep some extra space 10-10
04:14:32 <pravins> 10-15 :)
04:14:34 <lukebrooker> I might even be able to make it less
04:14:56 <pravins> lukebrooker: definitely, if we are covering all the point in less than 10. That is fine.
04:15:00 <ani> I agree with 10. max 15. not more for sure
04:15:05 <ani> okies..
04:15:15 <aeng> alright
04:15:16 <lukebrooker> How about I draft something up and email it to you all?
04:15:24 <ani> lukebrooker, perfect :)
04:15:31 <aeng> #topic Preparation of first draft
04:15:37 <lukebrooker> Any other suggestions for questions before we move on?
04:15:38 <pravins> lukebrooker: that will give better picture.
04:15:39 <aeng> #action lukebrooker to draft out
04:15:40 <aeng> lol
04:16:00 <pravins> #agreed Survey questions 10 to 15. It can be less as well as per requirement.
04:16:06 <ani> :)
04:16:13 <pravins> :)
04:16:50 <ani> lukebrooker, when can you think you can send our the draft? we can meet after that
04:16:50 <aeng> well, open floor now?
04:16:55 <ani> yup
04:17:29 <lukebrooker> ani, Early next week. Monday/Tuesday
04:17:41 <ani> okay take your time..
04:17:55 <ani> so once the draft ready, we can have our next meeting. what say ?
04:18:10 <aeng> #action lukebrooker prepare draft by mid next week
04:18:18 <aeng> ani, +1
04:18:41 <aeng> meeting just to finalised everything before sending it out
04:18:46 <pravins> sure, after draft keep couple of days as a buffer, then we can meet for finalizing questions.
04:19:02 <pravins> aeng: no one more step. Pilot run :)
04:19:11 <lukebrooker> How about I email it out, then provide comments via email, then if need a meeting the week after?
04:19:24 <aeng> excellent
04:19:25 <pravins> looks good !!
04:19:30 <ani> agree with lukebrooker and pravins
04:19:42 <lukebrooker> so 12/13th for meeting if needed
04:19:45 <pravins> yeah, we can communicate on email for major stuff.
04:20:06 <ani> +1
04:20:10 <pravins> +1
04:20:16 <aeng> alright. Anything more to discuss?
04:20:47 <pravins> #info Next meeting after getting first draft on questions. Around 12/13 Aug if needed.
04:20:47 <ani> I am done :)
04:20:55 <pravins> done from my side as well.
04:21:01 <lukebrooker> All sounds good
04:21:12 <ani> cool.. yayy sweet and quick meeting and we have covered everything .. nice one
04:21:59 <pravins> thanks lukebrooker aeng ani for nice meeting :)
04:22:05 <aeng> good one guys
04:22:13 <ani> thanks guys...
04:22:20 <ani> looking forward for the next one
04:22:28 <ani> Have a nice day ahead :)
04:22:42 <lukebrooker> thanks ani, pravins hope the rain clears up soon :)
04:23:00 <ani> lukebrooker, its monsoon here and we want more rains :D
04:23:15 <lukebrooker> ani, haha ok :)
04:23:20 <ani> ;)
04:23:42 <aeng> #endmeeting