02:26:48 <tuanta> #startmeeting
02:26:48 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Nov 15 02:26:48 2014 UTC.  The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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02:26:51 <alick> zodbot: .fasinfo alick
02:27:08 <tuanta> #chair gnokii siddhesh_ zsun alick
02:27:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: alick gnokii siddhesh_ tuanta zsun
02:27:17 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
02:27:23 <tuanta> .hello tuanta
02:27:24 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
02:27:31 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
02:27:33 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
02:27:44 <tuanta> #chair hanthana
02:27:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: alick gnokii hanthana siddhesh_ tuanta zsun
02:28:00 <amitshah> .hello amitshah
02:28:01 <zodbot> amitshah: amitshah 'Amit Shah' <amit.shah@redhat.com>
02:28:09 * amitshah is remote
02:28:56 <alick> .hellomynameis alick
02:28:57 <zodbot> alick: alick 'Zhao Tao' <alick9188@gmail.com>
02:29:09 <siddhesh_> hanthana, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/events
02:29:14 <tuanta> #chair amitshah
02:29:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: alick amitshah gnokii hanthana siddhesh_ tuanta zsun
02:29:20 <hanthana> thanks siddhesh_
02:29:28 <tuanta> #chair IzharFirdaus
02:29:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: IzharFirdaus alick amitshah gnokii hanthana siddhesh_ tuanta zsun
02:33:38 <tuanta> #info there are some useful links today:
02:33:42 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/events
02:33:50 <tuanta> #link https://www.piratepad.ca/p/FADPhnomPenh2014
02:38:10 <tuanta> #chair somvannda
02:38:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: IzharFirdaus alick amitshah gnokii hanthana siddhesh_ somvannda tuanta zsun
02:40:00 <somvannda> thanks tuanta
02:48:03 <siddhesh_> gnokii to start with an opening note on what he thinks (as a non-asian) the situation is in APAC
02:49:23 <siddhesh_> asia has a very high population compared to emea/apac, but they're still a minotiry in terms of contributors
02:49:53 <siddhesh_> if we're arranging a FAD, we need to create a deadline, which is not happening currently
02:50:24 <tuanta> #topic Sirko's notes
02:52:08 <siddhesh_> the situation is different in asia, but that cannot be used as an excuse all the time
02:52:59 <amitshah> by deadline I assume it's about not hobbling together a FAD and announce it say 2 weeks in advance?
02:53:43 <IzharFirdaus> -> meeting protocol exist, APAC meetings is like a bazaar, disorganized and confusing
02:53:55 <siddhesh_> amitshah, it means setting deadlines for various activities in the FAD, like registration, etc.
02:53:58 <IzharFirdaus> -> follow the meeting protocol
02:55:07 <IzharFirdaus> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_public_IRC_meetings#Meeting_protocol
02:56:28 <siddhesh_> apac communities in silos (india, vietnam, cambodia, etc.).  That needs to change
02:56:55 <siddhesh_> we're fedora first, then apac and then vietnamese, cambodians, chinese, etc.
02:57:01 <siddhesh_> tuanta speaks:
02:57:17 <siddhesh_> the bigger problem in meetings is that people don't attend them regularly!
02:58:11 <siddhesh_> (gnokii): that's because the meetings are not productive
03:01:59 <zsun> sorry for droppin in late
03:02:05 <zsun> .hellomynameis zsun
03:02:06 <zodbot> zsun: zsun 'Ziqian SUN (Zamir)' <sztsian@gmail.com>
03:07:31 <tuanta> siddhesh_ is speaking
03:11:17 <alick> #chair zsun
03:11:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: IzharFirdaus alick amitshah gnokii hanthana siddhesh_ somvannda tuanta zsun
03:11:30 <tuanta> cross border/visa problem in APAC is different from EMEA. it is more difficult to travel around APAC
03:13:24 <tuanta> gnokii speaking: FUDCon in May is too short. it is not enough time to prepare it well
03:16:58 <siddhesh_> siddhesh: indian contributor community is fairly large in comparison in comparison to the rest of apac
03:17:29 <siddhesh_> and we are open to the idea of running workshops, online and personal programs across apac
03:17:37 <siddhesh_> hanthana speaks:
03:18:11 <siddhesh_> suggest: have more sub-region meets, like indian subcontinent meetings, etc.
03:21:11 <siddhesh_> gnokii: good idea but don't want to divide the communities a lot
03:21:24 <hanthana> == Suggestions to avoid VISA and travel cost issues: ==
03:21:25 <hanthana> each sub reagion has common issues and may easy to resolve them together.
03:21:25 <hanthana> Running Sub-regional
03:21:25 <hanthana> China/Vietnam/Singapore/Indoonisia/Cambodia
03:21:25 <hanthana> India/Sri Lanka/Nepal/etc
03:21:25 <hanthana> Australia/New Zeland
03:26:23 * hanthana will speak about Singapore after Malaysia
03:27:35 <siddhesh_> alick: there have been progress in contributions in China, but the lack of contributors is still a problem
03:28:02 <siddhesh_> not much communication among chinese contributors
03:32:14 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) discuss more about sub-conferences on sunday
03:34:46 <siddhesh_> need more involvement from RH china
03:35:12 <siddhesh_> somvannda speaks:
03:35:23 <siddhesh_> the problem is the same here: lack of contributors
03:35:44 <siddhesh_> people generally use ubuntu/opensuse because of better user interface
03:37:17 <siddhesh_> easy access to pirated software
03:38:50 <siddhesh_> good thing is that university is teaching fedora in final year
03:41:11 <nangthang> Hi everyone, I'll join the discussion in FAD remotely
03:41:33 <tuanta> hi nangthang. you are welcome
03:44:42 <tuanta> #topic situation in each country
03:47:46 <siddhesh_> siddhesh to help somvannda with curriculum for a linux course in the university
03:49:07 <siddhesh_> correction: university is *planning* to teach fedora
03:50:17 <amitshah> nice
03:56:43 <siddhesh_> IzharFirdaus speaks:
03:57:10 <siddhesh_> malaysian contribution has been good for the last 10 years, but it is reducing
03:57:30 <siddhesh_> we're losing developers to startup groups
03:57:53 <siddhesh_> nobody cares about the OS anymore
03:57:58 <siddhesh_> it's only apps and stacks
03:58:21 <amitshah> yea, problem here too
03:58:38 <siddhesh_> still trying to figure out how to promote fedora in this changing climate
03:59:04 <amitshah> apps need backends; clouds can run on fedora-related tech, like openstack and openshift
03:59:19 <amitshah> of course we also have all the ruby, java, python etc stuff via SIGs
04:01:45 <siddhesh_> amitshah, yes, that's the case in malaysia too, fedora contributors helping all SIGs, but that puts Fedora itself in the background
04:03:28 <amitshah> hm; so perhaps the next FUDCon APAC should have a way to ensure those people are interested in attending - special mentions for enabling those SIGs, their devs and users.
04:03:47 <amitshah> we'll think about this after the FAD
04:07:39 <tuanta> #chair azneita kushal
04:07:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: IzharFirdaus alick amitshah azneita gnokii hanthana kushal siddhesh_ somvannda tuanta zsun
04:09:10 <IzharFirdaus> also in .my .. packaging things in docker is more interesting than packaging things in rpm xD
04:09:30 <tuanta> hanthana is speaking about Singapore situation
04:09:48 <siddhesh_> hanthana speaks (as singapore ambassador):
04:10:05 <siddhesh_> 7 ambassadors in singapore
04:10:14 <siddhesh_> planned about 9 events for 2015
04:10:45 <alick> https://www.piratepad.ca/p/FADPhnomPenh2014
04:11:03 <siddhesh_> all of us have now given a quick summary of things going on in the apac region
04:11:16 <siddhesh_> alick has mentioned the key points in the piratepad above
04:11:44 <siddhesh_> those attending remotely, do you have any points you all would like to add?
04:12:31 <amitshah> I think situation in India is similar; interest in docker; openstack; apps
04:12:44 <amitshah> one way it's a good thing that stuff is happening "upstream"
04:13:05 <amitshah> but fedora can get irrelevant because these new technologies try to make things distro-agnostic
04:13:37 <amitshah> the server/workstation/cloud product split could help alleviate that a bit by ensuring we put out a good cloud distro so people want to try fedora on the clouds
04:13:46 <amitshah> and then we get some contributors to cloud and server that way
04:14:08 <IzharFirdaus> yeah
04:14:23 <IzharFirdaus> hopefully
04:14:24 <kushal> The main point is about technical contribution.
04:14:29 <amitshah> but we need to think + discuss more about this during our regular meets
04:14:35 <amitshah> ie keep it an ongoing conversation
04:15:12 <amitshah> and I doubt the situation is geo-specific; EMEA and NA would have a similar effect
04:15:42 <amitshah> kushal: IzharFirdaus mentioned people are now more interested in apps/stacks/docker than fedora proper
04:16:31 <kushal> amitshah, true but I always say to students "unless you learn the Operating System well, you can not go ahead into deeper technical things."
04:17:00 <kushal> amitshah, For industry apps/stacks/containers are priority.
04:17:00 <amitshah> kushal: I think there's a "who cares?  I can write an app and make money today" attitude
04:17:16 <kushal> amitshah, yes, only thing is there is no money :p
04:17:21 <amitshah> :)
04:17:41 <tuanta> :)
04:17:55 <amitshah> kushal: embedding ads / in-game purchase/whatever is alluring.
04:18:14 <amitshah> kushal: and flappy bird showed how getting lots of money with little input is possible
04:18:25 <kushal> amitshah, I mean the app should be good enough to get money.
04:19:07 <kushal> amitshah, Someone who never saw proper code and never worked in bigger projects, can not just become a super programmer overnight.
04:19:09 <IzharFirdaus> for .my .. on the platform level .. those who are still interested are companies that have their own private cloud .. everyone else just host their stuff on cloud -> and not care about platform anymore
04:19:40 <tuanta> in all cases, we can make attractive to some of them (who really interested in computer science), not all of them
04:19:46 <amitshah> kushal: I fear these new "frameworks" where you can drag+drop things and create a new app out of nothing very easily.
04:20:00 <amitshah> it's like visual basic all over again
04:20:06 <kushal> amitshah, correct but those can not become flappy bird :)
04:20:37 <amitshah> kushal: for people not in the know, there's no difference :)
04:20:43 * zsun afk for a while
04:21:02 <IzharFirdaus> btw .. anybody working on that project to merge hadoop and openshift ?
04:21:03 <IzharFirdaus> xD
04:21:10 <kushal> tuanta, I am talking not for computer science but in general the knowledge about how computer works.
04:21:41 <siddhesh_> kushal, that is useless from a contributor perspective
04:22:08 <kushal> siddhesh_, But to get new contributors that is important.
04:22:13 <siddhesh_> sure
04:22:29 <siddhesh_> anyway, do you guys think there are any points that were missed in the meeting?
04:22:41 <amitshah> I visited a college in Pune recently to talk about Fedora; they didn't know what 'reboot' meant, because Windows uses the term 'restart'
04:22:44 <amitshah> and these were computer guys.
04:22:47 <siddhesh_> (meeting so far that is)
04:23:00 <kushal> amitshah, please tweet that :p
04:23:00 <tuanta> amitshah, :)
04:23:03 <hanthana> lol
04:23:29 * azneita is catching up with notes
04:24:11 <amitshah> siddhesh_: we can move on; not sure any major topic is uncovered
04:24:22 <amitshah> kushal: you have my permission to tweet it :)
04:24:30 <kushal> amitshah, I will.
04:25:18 <kushal> amitshah, what is your twitter handle?
04:25:33 <amitshah> kushal: don't have one; you can use amitshah.net instead
04:25:53 <kushal> amitshah, Okay
04:26:57 <siddhesh_> #topic Discuss events over the next FY
04:27:08 <IzharFirdaus> i wonder
04:27:35 <IzharFirdaus> how about a docker repository, of apps that are built using the fedora cloud core? ..
04:28:34 <kushal> IzharFirdaus, We already have https://github.com/fedora-cloud/Fedora-Dockerfiles
04:28:47 <IzharFirdaus> ah cool!
04:28:52 <IzharFirdaus> kushal, didnt know about that .. thanks!
04:30:51 * alick everyone on piratepad, plz add your name by clicking the top right corner :)
04:32:19 <kushal> Every year we are also organizing online summer training from dgplug, idea is to get more upstream contributors.
04:32:44 <kushal> Many active contributors from India came up from this training.
04:33:16 <amitshah> kushal++
04:34:36 <kushal> Of course Fedora is the primary distribution there.
04:36:03 <kushal> What is going on there?
04:36:38 <siddhesh_> kushal, see my #topic command
04:36:43 <siddhesh_> which zodbot has ignored ;)
04:36:54 <kushal> haha
04:37:21 <kushal> #topic Discuss events over the next FY
04:37:34 * kushal kicks zodbot
04:38:11 <kushal> Okay, fedmsg is telling us that the topic has been changed.
04:38:21 <kushal> But that never happened in real life.
04:39:54 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) we need to figure out what to do with upstream events like rubyconf, pycon, etc.
04:41:20 <kushal> We need proper presence there.
04:41:31 <kushal> To attract more developers.
04:41:52 <siddhesh_> kushal, yes, the question what kind of presence
04:42:19 <amitshah> booth with server and workstation products showing?
04:42:24 <amitshah> plus stickers/badges/etc
04:42:28 <kushal> siddhesh_, visual, with people who are upstream contributors to various projects and also fedora people.
04:42:55 <kushal> amitshah, also cloud :) Devels are on that too :)
04:43:48 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) more preferable to have a booth than just a speaker
04:45:24 <kushal> siddhesh_, yes but we need technical people in those booths.
04:46:57 <amitshah> absolutely
04:48:02 <siddhesh_> discussing: garden city rubyconf: $0 since it is local event
04:49:24 <siddhesh_> clarification: swag is completely out of the event table.  The table only covers accommodation and travel.
04:49:56 <siddhesh_> local travel (local bus tickets) are also not covered
04:51:21 <zsun> so do you mean that the event page is for possible attendance
04:51:45 <siddhesh_> zsun, the cost that fedora can cover for possible attendance
04:52:06 <zsun> get it
04:53:20 <zsun> the 'owner' col stands for event owner, or possible guys who can set a booth in the event?
04:53:29 <siddhesh_> yes
04:53:30 <hanthana> seems Jan-Feb event shuld be added here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015#Q4_.28Dec_2014_-_Feb_2015.29
04:53:37 <hanthana> and its too late
04:56:26 <siddhesh_> we're skipping over all events in the current FY since they don't affect next year's budget
04:56:37 <siddhesh_> so we'll soon start discussing fossasia
04:57:15 <zsun> ok
05:02:37 * alick lose connection to piratepad :(
05:02:56 <amitshah> alick: me too
05:03:00 <zsun> me too
05:03:50 <zsun> 504 Gateway Time-out
05:03:53 <kushal> fossasia is important as not many devel focus meetups in asia.
05:03:56 <alick> let's take notes in irc for the moment
05:04:39 <zsun> I just trying to add an idea to pad:  set up a page of "what you should know and do if you run a booth for Fedora at events"
05:05:26 <amitshah> siddhesh_: zsun's idea above
05:05:54 <alick> gnokii: should support fossasia but maybe not that much money
05:07:13 <alick> we should balance money we put in and the outcome we get
05:08:21 <mpduty> .fas mpduty
05:08:22 <zodbot> mpduty: mohanprakash 'Mohan Prakash' <petreach@gmail.com> - mpduty 'Mohan Prakash' <mpduty@gmail.com>
05:12:17 <banas> good morning everyone :)
05:13:10 <botreynisa> good morning banas!
05:13:14 <hanthana> FYI: Harish is part of FOSSAsia organizing comity
05:14:07 <banas> hi botreynisa :) am I too late?
05:14:50 <botreynisa> yeah... you're little bit late but that's fine!
05:15:55 <amitshah> kushal: aren't you also an organizer at fossasia?
05:16:09 <kushal> amitshah, This year yes.
05:16:40 <kushal> amitshah, as I can see that is the biggest even in APAC where devels can meet other than LCA
05:16:48 <azneita> and it's gonna be in singapore
05:17:02 <kushal> and travel for LCA is not possible with super rich sponsors :)
05:17:03 <azneita> we can play host :)
05:17:20 <hanthana> Didn't see Kushal's name there fossasia.org
05:17:24 <amitshah> kushal: there's also linuxcon japan
05:17:41 <amitshah> siddhesh_: we could look at linuxcons - japan and korea too in the future
05:17:51 <kushal> hanthana, they will add it, they are waiting for me to send in photos.
05:18:02 <hanthana> kushal, nice :)
05:18:56 <mpduty> good morning everyone!
05:19:54 <banas> hello mpduty :) kushal, hanthana and azneita too!
05:21:14 <hanthana> i think gnokii and kushal should talk to Harish as he is putting money to FOSSAsia
05:21:32 <hanthana> we may save money.
05:22:04 <kushal> hanthana, Red Hat and Fedora's budget are different
05:22:13 <kushal> hanthana, Red Hat will not pay for our travel
05:22:14 <siddhesh_> kushal, yes, that is why
05:22:38 <kushal> siddhesh_, for speakers and other things, Red Hat will not sponsor.
05:22:59 <hanthana> but Harish already told us during the Fedora Singapore meetup held on 13th November
05:23:29 <hanthana> he did not ask me to add FOSSAsia to get APAC budget
05:23:30 <kushal> hanthana, I don't know what he told.
05:23:57 <kushal> hanthana, without the budget how speakers are supposed to travel?
05:24:01 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) get singapore ambassadors to run the fedora booth in fossasia
05:24:03 <azneita> it will go against osas budget, technically fedora
05:24:12 <hanthana> most of Fedora Singapore activities will be covered by Harish's RH budget
05:24:37 <kushal> hanthana, there will be many international speakers from Fedora
05:24:42 <hanthana> we already planned 9 events and only FAD Singapore 2015 will come under Fedora APAC budget
05:24:54 <hanthana> kushal, ok
05:25:33 <siddhesh_> kushal, fossasia foots the bill for speaker travel and stay, like oher speakers
05:25:36 <kushal> hanthana, Then there will be no Fedora contributor/developer presence in fossasia as I know none from Singapore.
05:25:57 <kushal> siddhesh_, last Fedora paid for the same.
05:26:02 <kushal> last year.
05:26:18 <hanthana> Heherson and me already there
05:26:23 <amitshah> kushal: wait; as an organizer, do you think fossasia is going to pay for speaker travel+acco?
05:26:36 <siddhesh_> kushal, gnokiithought that the 'fedora track' was badly organized
05:26:55 <siddhesh_> and hence we didn't get the return for the money that we spent
05:26:59 <kushal> siddhesh_, Yes, we are also in fault for same.
05:27:26 <kushal> siddhesh_, This year there will be a generic Linux track and we should participate in that.
05:27:44 <kushal> amitshah, Last year they did it with help from Fedora.
05:27:54 <kushal> amitshah, Like Mozilla paid for their speakers
05:27:57 <siddhesh_> kushal, as speakers, makes sense.  but I think we should get fossasia to sponsor it like all other speakers
05:28:07 <siddhesh_> as much as possible
05:28:30 <kushal> siddhesh_, Fossasia sponsor Fedora speakers too, but they filled all the required tickets etc to Fedora to get the money.
05:28:51 <kushal> for staying iirc.
05:28:52 <gnokii> kushal no!
05:28:58 <kushal> gnokii, Okay.
05:29:04 <kushal> I might be wrong.
05:29:17 <kushal> My point is to have enough presence in that.
05:29:20 <tuanta> kushal, you are wrong
05:29:25 <gnokii> kushal: as long Mario plays a role inside fossasia, I am not willing to support that event anymore
05:29:57 <tuanta> kushal, we are talking about there are 5-7 ambassadors already in Singapore
05:30:08 <kushal> tuanta, How may developers?
05:30:21 <kushal> tuanta, fossasia tracks are devel focused.
05:30:26 <kushal> * many
05:30:40 <kushal> tuanta, I know ambassadors will do their jobs.
05:30:49 <kushal> but we need technical speakers.
05:31:01 <tuanta> kushal: Harish, azneita, hanthana, and some other local people there
05:31:22 <gnokii> kushal: with 7 Ambassadors in Singapore we will havea booth
05:31:24 <hanthana> + our friends from Malaysia
05:31:27 <siddhesh_> kushal, technical speakers should be sponsored by fossasia
05:31:30 <siddhesh_> not fedora
05:31:37 <siddhesh_> they're providing value to fossasia
05:31:47 <kushal> tuanta, Sorry to say but most of the apac ambassadors are not technical enough.
05:32:03 <KageSenshi> +1
05:32:09 <banas> I'll have to agree with kushal and siddhesh here.
05:32:12 <kushal> siddhesh_, Understood, but if they can not pay, what then?
05:32:23 <kushal> siddhesh_, I am agreeing to you btw.
05:32:32 <kushal> just want to cover all aspects.
05:32:50 <siddhesh_> kushal, yes, for that I propose we have a budget of ~$2000 to sponsor them
05:32:54 <gnokii> what fossasia is devel focused?
05:33:04 <gnokii> in which movie are you sitting
05:33:24 <kushal> gnokii, because many devels come there and meet.
05:33:28 <gnokii> fossasia 2015 will be especially for "garment industry" I can show you
05:34:31 <kushal> gnokii, :)
05:34:45 <siddhesh_> lets talk about fossasia at the end since it is taking so much time
05:34:53 <gnokii> so and fedora has nothing to do with the "garment industry"
05:35:00 <kushal> siddhesh_, with that money we can sponsor around 4 speakers if required.
05:35:12 <siddhesh_> next up, barcamp kampot/siem reap
05:35:24 <siddhesh_> kushal, yes, lets discuss that later
05:35:30 <kushal> Okay
05:38:19 <kushal> someone should type in the points in the channel
05:38:32 <kushal> or else we know nothing
05:39:03 <banas> yep please do so - it's difficult to follow otherwise :)
05:39:23 * siddhesh_ is trying!
05:39:31 <siddhesh_> while talking at the same time...
05:39:42 <banas> btw, is this the right piratepad https://www.piratepad.ca/p/FADPhnomPenh2014?
05:40:21 <siddhesh_> piratepad is finicky
05:41:49 <banas> ah, i found that listed on the wiki, so I was checking to see if there was something on it - where are you documenting the summary then?
05:43:09 <siddhesh_> alick, ^^
05:43:29 <alick> banas: currently on the wiki.
05:43:33 <alick> s/wiki/irc/
05:43:34 <alick> oops
05:43:49 <banas> alick ah alright
05:43:51 <alick> piratepad does not work for the moment.
05:44:28 <banas> so what's being discussed now?
05:44:48 <siddhesh_> banas, barcamp at kampot/siem reap
05:45:09 <banas> alright, waiting on updates :)
05:46:19 <siddhesh_> cost for the barcamp to be covered by the company
05:46:52 <siddhesh_> s/the company/ somvannda's company/
05:47:27 <siddhesh_> set $50 aside if a booth is allowed at the barcamp
05:52:52 <zsun> FYI, piratepad is back
05:57:18 <siddhesh_> Discussing all of the Freedom Days (SFD, DFD, HFD, etc.)
05:57:42 <siddhesh_> suggestion: set a budget of $1000 for each of those events
05:58:17 <siddhesh_> i.e. all SFD celebrations funded from the $1000, at about $50 or so per event
05:59:03 <siddhesh_> ( hanthana) suggest increase budget for SFD since it is more popular
05:59:21 <siddhesh_> SFD budget $2000
06:00:20 <siddhesh_> breaking for lunch
06:00:56 <zsun> when will you start afternoon? 2pm PP time?
06:01:35 <alick> lunch should not be that long.
06:01:41 <zsun> ok
06:05:31 <mpduty_> /exit
06:31:55 <siddhesh_> we'll resume in ~10 minutes
06:34:35 <banas> alright, waiting, I need to run for lunch soon :)
06:41:07 <siddhesh_> banas, we'll be discussing rubyconf india next, so if you have something in favour of the event then you could mention that before you go for lunch
06:41:28 <banas> siddhesh_ yep, I was waiting for that.
06:41:29 <siddhesh_> i.e. what kind of support is needed (speakers, booth)
06:43:00 <banas> I just added it to the wiki recently, so I'm not 100% sure of their arrangements yet. But we have an unpopular Ruby SIG in Fedora and was wondering if it would make sense to show our presence at rubyconfs
06:43:30 * alick piratepad is back!
06:43:46 <banas> I don't know a lot of people who're Indian, Rubyists and in Fedora, so I don't think we will have much speakers.
06:44:00 <siddhesh_> unpopular?  do you mean 'not popular'?
06:44:29 <banas> ah, TIL they're different things :D
06:44:35 <siddhesh_> yes :)
06:44:36 <banas> yep i meant not popular
06:45:08 <siddhesh_> ok, resuming now.
06:46:04 <banas> I haven't met anyone at a rubyconf before who said they were part of our project, so I just added me as the owner for the moment.
06:46:52 <banas> but I was thinking if we could showcase that we have areas (for eg some apps) that could be done in ruby and could use contributors, we can manage to grab some at rubyconf
06:47:17 <banas> esp since they're kind towards students they select and even provide mentors to help them get started
06:49:15 * zsun attending by voice and can hear some of your saying (although not clear enough)
06:49:19 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) we should support our people if they wish to speak at rubyconf
06:49:49 <siddhesh_> (siddhesh) the avg cost of return flight is $200 within the country
06:50:19 <banas> yep, that's right
06:51:29 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) $500 is probably too much
06:51:36 <amitshah> would be good to showcase what ruby work happens in Fedora (if any); plus there's openshift, which is built on rhel, which has an active ruby community
06:51:48 <banas> amitshah that's correct.
06:51:56 <amitshah> all openshift tools (rhc) are written in ruby
06:52:01 <zsun> not sure if openshift community is really active.
06:52:13 <zsun> and they are moving towards docker, with Go
06:54:01 <amitshah> zsun: but at a ruby conf, it's nice to point out how fedora is inovlved with it
06:54:15 <zsun> agree on this point.
06:54:18 <amitshah> zsun: and openshift is one of the projects that indirectly uses fedora
06:54:41 <amitshah> zsun: can be made more direct, of course
06:54:47 <amitshah> which such conferences can help with
06:55:40 <siddhesh_> gnokii, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Rheinfelden_2013#Agenda
06:55:48 <siddhesh_> botreynisa, ^^
06:58:18 <banas> siddhesh_/anybody else: what's being discussed?
06:58:25 <siddhesh_> looking at the emea budget for an indication of how much we ought to spend
06:58:26 <zsun> RubyCon
06:58:38 <banas> ah alright :)
06:58:38 <zsun> ooops.
06:59:29 <siddhesh_> we've agreed on $250 for RubyConf
06:59:41 <banas> great, thank you :)
07:00:23 <gnokii> banas: who said its for you?
07:00:42 <hanthana> ;-)
07:00:48 <banas> I'll follow up later - I have to run for lunch and we need to plan stuff for tomorrrow's fedora camp here, so I'll come back.
07:01:00 <banas> gnokii: I thanked him for the update
07:01:13 <zsun> XD
07:02:21 <siddhesh_> next up: OSDC: http://osdc.tw/
07:02:26 <siddhesh_> botreynisa, ^^
07:05:39 <zsun> I think we have ambassadors in Taiwan.
07:06:01 <zsun> So maybe we need to talk direct with those guys
07:06:18 <siddhesh_> we've agreed on a budget of ~$300
07:06:45 <tuanta> +1 zsun
07:06:58 <tuanta> zsun, can you take that action?
07:06:59 <siddhesh_> we need to encourage taiwanese ambassadors to get more involved in this
07:08:04 <zsun> tuanta:  I can try since Alick will be pretty busy for this year.
07:08:48 <zsun> #action zsun try to community with Ambassadors in Taiwan for events such as OSDC
07:08:55 <siddhesh_> next up: hong kong open source conference: http://2015.opensource.hk/
07:09:33 <siddhesh_> (gnokii): alick should go there
07:09:51 <zsun> OS HK The CFP maybe in Dec
07:12:34 <alick> gnokii suggests two ambassadors to be there
07:12:41 <zsun> yes I hear that
07:15:45 <siddhesh_> $1000 to arrange for two ambassadors from china to join them
07:16:14 <zsun> oh,ok.
07:17:01 <siddhesh_> next up: Fedora Community Engagement, hanoi
07:17:40 <siddhesh_> (tunata) it is a local event, so 0 budget needed.
07:18:41 <nangthang> +1 siddhesh
07:19:00 <siddhesh_> next up: Nha Trang IT Week 2015
07:19:34 <siddhesh_> (tuanta) $250 enough for one person
07:20:23 <siddhesh_> $250 agreed for Nha Trang IT Week
07:20:42 <siddhesh_> next up: rootconf: https://rootconf.in/2014/
07:20:43 <alick> next: https://rootconf.in/2014/
07:24:03 <siddhesh_> Keep aside $300 for travel/stay for a couple of speakers.  Work with Red Hat for a top-up to the budget if needed.
07:24:30 <siddhesh_> Next up: BarCamp Battambang
07:24:55 <mpduty> good afternoon everyone
07:24:59 <siddhesh_> ( somvannda ) the booth costs about $50
07:25:28 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) the booth only makes sense if there are 2 people there
07:25:36 <siddhesh_> so both somvannda and botreynisa will have to travel
07:26:49 <siddhesh_> botreynisa won't be traveling
07:28:49 <siddhesh_> $150 for travel and stay for a person + booth
07:32:30 * mpduty is listening
07:34:37 <siddhesh_> Next up: PyCon APAC https://tw.pycon.org/
07:35:03 <alick> kushal is not around
07:36:40 <zsun> Alick, It's ok even if they are not Py guys
07:37:18 <siddhesh_> discuss pycon later once kushal returns
07:37:35 <siddhesh_> next up:  	Vietnam National FOSS Conference 2015
07:37:44 <siddhesh_> not sure about the location yet
07:37:49 <alick> zsun: oh i see
07:38:08 <siddhesh_> tuanta wants a fedora booth
07:41:25 <siddhesh_> it's a government conference and tuanta can arrange for a free booth
07:41:48 <siddhesh_> so reserve some money for travel+stay if it is far from hanoi
07:42:47 <nangthang> siddhesh_ yes, we're not sure about the location of the event yet
07:44:30 <siddhesh_> reserve $500 for travel+stay
07:45:07 <siddhesh_> next up: LinuxCon Japan http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-japan
07:46:51 <siddhesh_> it's a commercial conference and they charge for booths
07:47:18 <siddhesh_> the marketing/PHB group is bigger than the technical people
07:49:39 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) lets put it at the end and figure out how much money we have left for it
07:51:23 <siddhesh_> next up:  	BarCamp Sihanouk Ville
07:52:29 <siddhesh_> same as battambang: $150
07:53:06 <siddhesh_> next up gnome.asia
07:53:19 <siddhesh_> but first: a short break
07:53:22 <zsun> ok
07:54:52 <alick> zsun: can you try say hello through firefox hello?
08:00:56 <zsun> alick:  so I think we need to some more contributors in case I move back home
08:01:33 <zsun> s/need to/need to find/
08:05:20 <siddhesh_> no idea when gnome.asia is being held
08:05:34 <siddhesh_> it might tentatively be indonesia since they have submitted a bid
08:05:49 <siddhesh_> suggestion: $500 for 2-3 people for fedora booth
08:05:58 <alick> zsun: haha. yes
08:06:25 <siddhesh_> next up: FAD Singapore 2015
08:07:00 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) if you call it a FAD then it's not covered by the APAC budget
08:07:06 <siddhesh_> FAD budget comes from the FPL
08:07:18 <zsun> from OSAS
08:09:06 <siddhesh_> (hanthana) will discuss with harish
08:10:59 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) we need to discuss near the end where the next budgeting FAD (next year) should be
08:15:50 <siddhesh_> s/ FAD Singapore/Fedora meetup Singapore/
08:19:22 <siddhesh_> hanthana to discuss with harish and come up with an estimate for food/drinks for the meetup
08:19:47 <siddhesh_> next up: COSCUP http://coscup.org/2014/en/
08:22:24 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) this could be used as a place for asia ambassadors to meet up
08:22:33 <siddhesh_> so reserve a larger amount: $3000
08:27:06 <siddhesh_> next up: YAPC:Asia http://yapcasia.org/2015/en/
08:28:43 <siddhesh_> support a speaker there if possible
08:30:40 <zsun> piratepad broken again with 504 Gateway Timeout by my side
08:30:48 <alick> me too
08:31:20 <siddhesh_> reserve $150 as placeholder
08:31:51 <siddhesh_> next up: linux day:  Reserve $1500, like other FDs
08:32:10 <siddhesh_> Next up: Vietnam ICT Collaboration and Development Conference 2015
08:35:12 <siddhesh_> tuanta would like to put up a booth
08:35:54 <siddhesh_> $300 for travel and stay for 2 people
08:41:24 <siddhesh_> Next up: Flock
08:41:50 <siddhesh_> sponsor a contributor to attend flock
08:49:57 <siddhesh_> reserve $2000 for a contributor
08:50:28 <siddhesh_> Next up: ILC http://www.linuxconf.web.id/
08:50:40 <siddhesh_> We have a lot of people in indonesia, but no communication with them
08:50:54 <siddhesh_> Reserve $500
08:51:10 <siddhesh_> #action kicking butts of indonesia ambassadors ;)
08:51:37 <alick> siddhesh_: you need a person for the action ;)
08:51:51 <siddhesh_> tuanta is *the* person!
08:52:58 <siddhesh_> next up: MOSCMY
08:53:16 <siddhesh_> very close to KageSenshi's place
08:53:35 <siddhesh_> they are also the organizers of the event
08:54:33 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) maybe get a couple of people from outside
08:54:50 <siddhesh_> hanthana and heherson could travel
08:55:01 <siddhesh_> and handle the fedora booth
08:59:52 <siddhesh_> $250 for travel and stay for 2.
09:02:20 <siddhesh_> Next up: Barcamp Phnom Penh http://barcampphnompenh.org/
09:08:08 <siddhesh_> need about $2500-3000 to fly in speakers
09:08:43 <siddhesh_> includes sponsorship
09:12:02 <siddhesh_> $3500 for sponsorship and flying ~5 speakers
09:12:29 <siddhesh_> Next up: Fossography
09:13:04 <siddhesh_> (gnokii) ~4 days
09:15:22 <somvannda> cool
09:17:51 <siddhesh_> it's a fork of libregraphics for apac
09:18:25 <siddhesh_> need to arrange for stay (and travel for some) for fedora graphics contributors
09:18:34 <siddhesh_> need ~$1500 for this
09:20:52 <zsun> fyi, piratepad.ca is back
09:21:37 <tuanta> Fossography is not in the top priority so we will see after have the total
09:23:30 <kushal> eeks, my try of adding the dgplug event was not saved. :(
09:25:37 <siddhesh_> kushal, the fedora wiki is currently experiencing problems
09:25:46 <siddhesh_> kushal, and since you're here, lets talk about pycon
09:25:54 <siddhesh_> what kind of support you're looking for?
09:26:00 <kushal> siddhesh_, sorry, I slept.
09:26:08 <tuanta> both PyCon events: APAC and India
09:26:08 <siddhesh_> I thought pycon supports both travel and stay for speakers
09:26:30 <kushal> siddhesh_, They don't as far as I remember.
09:27:00 <siddhesh_> weren't you put up at ITC during this pycon!
09:27:15 <kushal> siddhesh_, Because I was the keynote speaker.
09:27:21 <kushal> We will require help for travel+ stay + few python specific goodies.
09:27:41 <siddhesh_> how many speakers?
09:28:00 <gnokii> who is we kushal, we is more then one person
09:28:03 <siddhesh_> and what is the average cost per speaker?
09:28:32 <siddhesh_> exclude goodies for now.  we can talk about them tomorrow
09:28:37 <kushal> gnokii, Yes, people like rtnpro, praveenkumar (for Pycon India).
09:28:55 <kushal> siddhesh_, Praveenkumar paid from his pocket this year.
09:29:00 <siddhesh_> kushal, then 3 people for pycon india and 1 person for pycon apac (== you)?
09:29:50 <kushal> siddhesh_, actually 2 people for pycon India and 1 person for apac.
09:30:26 <kushal> siddhesh_, rtnpro is local there.
09:30:55 <siddhesh_> kushal, ok, then $300 ought to be enough for travel+stay for 2 people for pycon india?
09:31:46 <siddhesh_> ~$400 for travel to pycon apac
09:31:51 <kushal> travel is around $400 for two people.
09:32:26 <siddhesh_> ??
09:32:32 <siddhesh_> for india or for apac?
09:32:36 <kushal> siddhesh_, pycon apac travel is around $600-800
09:32:41 <kushal> siddhesh_, for India.
09:32:50 <kushal> siddhesh_, pycon apac travel is around $600-$800
09:32:57 <siddhesh_> kushal, travel+stay?
09:33:06 <kushal> siddhesh_, Nope, flight costs
09:33:18 <kushal> siddhesh_, at least that is what I saw this year.
09:33:28 <siddhesh_> kushal, cleartrip says 25,000 INR right now
09:33:38 <siddhesh_> i.e. ~$400
09:33:53 <kushal> siddhesh_, prices are much higher 2 months before the event.
09:34:21 <kushal> siddhesh_, $400 flights were like 32 hours of flying + waiting
09:35:23 <gnokii> kushal: yeah luxury flights have to paid by the own pocket
09:35:55 <kushal> gnokii, This are economic flights which are around 10 hours of travel time.
09:36:11 <gnokii> and?
09:36:29 <kushal> gnokii, and they cost around $600-$800
09:37:05 <kushal> gnokii, that way if I walk to pycon apac, it will take even lesser money.
09:37:34 <kushal> and will take a bit more time.
09:38:04 <siddhesh_> kushal, we could allocate $700 for now and adjust as required
09:38:17 <kushal> siddhesh_, yes, sounds good.
09:38:43 <siddhesh_> kushal, what about India? $400 for travel+stay for 2 people?
09:38:52 <kushal> siddhesh_, travel
09:38:57 <kushal> staying we can manage
09:39:53 <kushal> I am trying to add "dgplug annual meetup" just after pycon India, but not being able to :(
09:40:39 <siddhesh_> kushal, could you manage some of the budget for pycon apac from RH?
09:41:18 <kushal> siddhesh_, I guess nope. RH will pay for some other big travels like PyCon US
09:42:13 <kushal> Now the stupid wiki is not allowing me to login.
09:42:22 <siddhesh_> kushal, the wiki is down
09:42:26 <kushal> siddhesh_, Okay.
09:43:53 <kushal> There will be dgplug annual meetup in durgapur during spe/oct.
09:48:03 <siddhesh_> ok, consensus for $700 for pycon apac and $400 for pycon india
09:50:35 <siddhesh_> kushal, we'll take the dgplug meet at the end
09:51:58 <zsun> now topic: OSDC in Australia
09:52:17 <zsun> In my opinion, Kaio maybe in Aus
09:53:08 <zsun> siddhesh_:  not sure if I followed right topic.
09:53:49 <alick> but we do not see active contributions from Aus
09:54:23 <alick> and flight ticket price from other places to Aus is prohibitive
09:54:36 <alick> $0 for OSDC in Australia
09:54:44 <alick> next: NukeViet Developers Conference 2015
09:54:46 <zsun> ok,get it
09:56:22 <kushal> alick, there are many active devels in AUS
09:56:59 <siddhesh_> kushal, would they be willing to put up a booth?
09:57:30 <kushal> siddhesh_, not sure, but just saying that there are people.
09:58:09 <siddhesh_> kushal, ok
10:02:56 <kushal> I have to leave now, see you all tomorrow.
10:03:11 <amitshah> kushal: bye!
10:03:23 <zsun> kushal:  bye
10:15:42 <siddhesh_> cover tuanta's travel cost $150
10:16:13 <zsun> siddhesh_:  you mean for NukeViet?
10:16:19 <siddhesh_> zsun, yes
10:16:22 <zsun> ok
10:20:30 <siddhesh_> singapore fedora contributor meetup: $300 for meal
10:21:52 <zsun> siddhesh_:  I hear it is 400,  for Singapore Meetup or other events?
10:24:24 <siddhesh_> next up: GNUnify: sponsor 2 speakers travel+stay $400
10:24:35 <zsun> oh, get it now.
10:25:08 <siddhesh_> next: nullcon: $150 for travel for 2 speakers
10:29:05 <siddhesh_> conf.kde.in: $150 for fedora presence
10:29:32 <siddhesh_> fedora contributer meetups: $1000
10:31:44 <siddhesh_> dgplug meet: $200
10:37:39 <siddhesh_> hanthana/harish suggest bumping up singapore fedora contributor meetup budget to $500
10:43:50 <zsun> alick: done?
10:44:00 <alick> yes
10:44:26 <zsun> what's the result for India Meetup?
10:45:07 <alick> it's $1000.
10:45:41 <zsun> alick:  and what's the plan for tonight and tomorrow? I need to know whether I still need to stay at home listening via Firefox Hello or else
10:45:54 <alick> ( siddhesh_ ) summing all costs up
10:45:59 <zsun> ok
10:47:05 <alick> tomorrow we should talk about FAD, FUDCon, swags, budget, paypal transaction fee, etc
10:47:27 <zsun> ooops. Seems that another busy day and I'd dial in as well
10:53:25 <siddhesh_> the sum comes up to 23,300
10:55:58 <alick> some side info, this year APAC got allocated amount $12,650.
10:58:24 <amitshah> siddhesh_: and we didn't cover fossasia yet, right?
11:00:28 <siddhesh_> amitshah, we're discussing fossasia right now, sorry I forgot to update here :)
11:02:49 <zsun> siddhesh_:  I just calculated as 19100 from pad. Not sure what differs
11:09:52 <siddhesh_> zsun, not sure. let me put my sheet in a document
11:11:27 <siddhesh_> zsun, https://ethercalc.org/fadbudget16
11:15:37 <alick> one diff: fossography 1000 vs 1500?
11:16:11 <alick> and barcamp phnom penh: 3000 vs 3500?
11:17:11 <alick> yeah, i did not list *FD on piratepad
11:18:42 <zsun> alick:  siddhesh_ I am checking
11:18:43 <alick> did not specify contributor meetup in Singapore
11:20:44 <alick> i think that's all.
11:20:52 <zsun> siddhesh_:  in pad Barcamp Phnom Penh is 3000
11:21:02 <zsun> Fossgrapy
11:21:18 <zsun> {S,D}FD
11:21:24 <zsun> Singap
11:21:31 <zsun> Singapore Meetup.
11:21:36 <siddhesh_> zsun, yes
11:21:40 <zsun> Yes. these four
11:22:04 <alick> after taking them into account, is it the same amount?
11:22:10 <siddhesh_> zsun, sorry, barcamp is 3500 (I revised the figure later)
11:22:20 <siddhesh_> fossgraphy is 1k
11:22:24 <siddhesh_> 1000
11:22:35 <siddhesh_> SFD is 2000
11:22:42 <siddhesh_> LFD is 1500
11:22:48 <siddhesh_> other FD's are 1000
11:23:04 <alick> what is LFD?
11:23:12 <siddhesh_> sorry, not LFD, LD
11:23:15 <siddhesh_> linux day
11:24:02 <zsun> 22100till now by my side
11:25:01 <siddhesh_> zsun, the sum is a formula, so you just need to figure out what is missing :)
11:26:28 <siddhesh_> we're nearing the end of day 1
11:26:37 <siddhesh_> does anybody have any questions or comments?
11:26:50 <zsun> done now.
11:26:53 <tuanta> last but not least, we should set priority for each event
11:26:54 <zsun> DFD I missed
11:27:11 <siddhesh_> tuanta, agreed
11:27:20 <zsun> tuanta: agreed
11:28:16 <tuanta> #endmeeting