04:06:30 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting wiki editing remote fad 2 04:06:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Sun Feb 6 04:06:30 2011 UTC. The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:06:30 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:06:47 <FranciscoD> #chairs dramsey tezcatl inode0 04:06:53 <FranciscoD> #chair dramsey tezcatl inode0 04:06:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD dramsey inode0 tezcatl 04:07:10 <FranciscoD> #topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remote_Mini_Wiki_Editing_FAD2_2011 04:07:29 <FranciscoD> here's what we need to work on 04:07:31 <FranciscoD> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love 04:07:58 <FranciscoD> pick a page, update it, remove the {{needs_love}}, 04:08:17 <FranciscoD> I'd like the Dsitribution pages to get looked at first, specially the vendor lists 04:08:31 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Distribution 04:08:40 <FranciscoD> there are some pages in here that aren 04:08:54 <FranciscoD> t in English, if you folks know another language, please go ahead and take the page 04:09:26 <FranciscoD> inode0: dramsey : tezcatl : as a log, you could make a note of the pages you go through, mention them here so two people don't overlap? 04:10:00 <tezcatl> yes, we will log here 04:10:11 * tezcatl will take first to spanish pages 04:12:54 <FranciscoD> #chair dramsey tezcatl inode0 narasim_7 04:12:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD dramsey inode0 narasim_7 tezcatl 04:13:29 <tezcatl> i have a doubt about the "Distribution" category 04:13:37 <tezcatl> the description reads: "Pages belonging to this category have information about the distribution of Fedora" 04:14:05 <FranciscoD> aye 04:14:18 <tezcatl> however, looking into this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:Pt_BR/Core/Schedule 04:14:53 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: you can ignore archived pages, they're old and outdated 04:14:54 <tezcatl> it shows a way too old schedule seeming unrelated to distribution itself, but planning 04:15:32 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: pages that arearchived are deleted over time etc 04:15:50 <tezcatl> Can we remove the category then? For sake of keep useful the category page itself 04:16:05 <FranciscoD> inode0: dramsey tezcatl narasim_7 #note, ignore archived pages 04:16:13 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: ok, 04:16:26 <tezcatl> ok 04:16:55 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: you can but since these pages arent referenced, really doesnt make sense cleaning them up 04:17:04 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: can I help with something? Apart from the distribution pages. 04:17:32 <FranciscoD> narasim_7: there are a lot of pages that need love, pick any :) 04:17:38 <tezcatl> ok 04:18:18 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: ok 04:18:23 * tezcatl working on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Es_ES/Distribution (moving to new translated pages method). 04:18:42 <tezcatl> FranciscoD: is this the right way to log what pages we are working on? 04:18:50 <FranciscoD> yep :) 04:19:47 <tezcatl> ok 04:19:50 <FranciscoD> inode0: tezcatl dramsey narasim_7: another thing we need to work on, mail the currently listed vendors and verify/update them 04:20:26 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors 04:20:26 <dramsey> Is this Free-Media? or something like that? 04:20:39 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/LocalVendors 04:20:53 * narasim_7 looking at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download 04:21:09 <FranciscoD> dramsey: there used to be a list of vendors that folks could order fedora stuff from 04:21:25 <FranciscoD> it's in the need of a *lot* of love 04:23:06 <dramsey> Very true... 04:25:38 <tezcatl> Online/Local Vendors seems like a task worth to delegate to local ambassadors 04:25:44 <narasim_7> This page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution has some content related to Download 04:25:45 <dramsey> Yes. 04:26:10 <tezcatl> we can't take this a little bit, but there is a lot of info just can be verified "on the field" 04:26:14 <narasim_7> I think that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download can point to the previous one 04:27:08 <FranciscoD> narasim_7: how about making it point to the fp.o/get-fedora-all page? 04:27:17 <FranciscoD> the main download page? 04:27:42 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: I think that was already there..Probably should retain that and remove the needs love. I will add some headers to make the page look better 04:27:56 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: lets leave local vendors for another time then? 04:28:01 <FranciscoD> narasim_7: alrighty 04:28:56 <tezcatl> FranciscoD: it should be on the minutes, this is an action item to take to local ambassadors 04:29:41 <tezcatl> #action take to local ambassadors verify and update information on local and online vendors of Fedora under Category:Distribution 04:30:44 <FranciscoD> #action get ambassadors to look into local vendors 04:30:53 <FranciscoD> XD 04:32:55 <narasim_7> #info Changed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download. Linked to fedoraproject.org/get-fedora-all . Removed needs-love 04:34:07 <dramsey> +1 04:35:36 <narasim_7> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download/BitTorrent points to non existent section in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution. 04:35:49 * narasim_7 Editing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download/BitTorrent 04:38:06 <dramsey> Hi arifiauo! :) 04:39:00 <arifiauo> Hi dramsey :) 04:39:40 <dramsey> FranciscoD has a program on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remote_Mini_Wiki_Editing_FAD2_2011#Program 04:40:00 <dramsey> narasim_7 and tezcatl are helping out with updates at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love 04:41:18 <narasim_7> #info finished editing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download/BitTorrent. Provided a link to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options to direct the user to other download options 04:41:33 <dramsey> +1 narasim_7 04:42:38 <dramsey> I am checking https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_file_system_problems 04:46:19 <dramsey> Reviewing and updating https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_file_system_problems URL 04:48:14 <dramsey> Wonders if https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia is defuncted as link on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution 04:50:51 <FranciscoD> grr.. 04:51:42 <narasim_7> #info minor edit to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download. Mofidied Get Fedora to point to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora instead of http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all, which was a bit terse. Added links to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops, http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#spins and http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all 04:52:09 <FranciscoD> narasim_7: awesome :) 04:52:16 <FranciscoD> #info working on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India 04:52:29 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: :) thanks 04:53:14 <FranciscoD> inode0: ping? 04:53:39 <FranciscoD> inode0: do we need to have lists of free media contributors? now that we're using trac etc? 04:54:26 * FranciscoD wishes susmit were around 04:54:27 <FranciscoD> :/ 04:55:02 <tezcatl> #info editing Distribution/Download/es to point to fp.o/es/get-fedora too 04:56:07 <tezcatl> #IDEA: Link to Guides too, for example, Installation Guide or Software Management Guide 04:56:47 <narasim_7> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/De_DE/Versionen/7 needs to be archived 04:58:19 <FranciscoD> #info removed {{needs love}} from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3 04:58:28 <FranciscoD> looks alright 04:58:41 <FranciscoD> narasim_7: archive her 04:58:49 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: ok 04:59:52 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: once you edit the page, you can remove the {{needs_love}} header, if you think the page is satisfactory 04:59:58 <inode0> FranciscoD: if we don't need them I am happy dropping them and paying attention to those contributors who show up in trac 05:00:26 <dramsey> +1 inode0 05:01:38 <kaio> hi 05:01:41 <tezcatl> FranciscoD: ok. // I wonder if there is something at middle point. Not {{needs love}} (we are giving it yet), and not {{draft}} too 05:01:55 <tezcatl> Hi kaio 05:03:06 <FranciscoD> dramsey: erm, I'm banned from -ambassadors :/ 05:03:07 <narasim_7> #info archived https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/De_DE/Versionen/7. Moved to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:De_DE/Versionen/7 05:03:14 <FranciscoD> dramsey: can you please see why? 05:03:45 <FranciscoD> dramsey: I haven't done anything, have I? I haven't been around all of yesterday :$ 05:06:25 * narasim_7 feels that http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/ needs to be added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Derived_distributions for creating fedora spins 05:07:54 <dramsey> That is strange FranciscoD... 05:08:05 <dramsey> Mailing list and/or #fedora-ambassadors IRC? 05:08:28 <FranciscoD> dramsey: the IRC channel, nirik's looking at it already 05:08:47 <dramsey> Yup, seeing nirik's IRC chat now... 05:08:49 <dramsey> ;) 05:09:07 <FranciscoD> dramsey: first time I've been banned :/ 05:10:00 <dramsey> That is strange FranciscoD FranciscoD_ 05:10:04 <FranciscoD> dramsey: is there a way to see why you were banned? 05:10:09 <FranciscoD> some command or something? 05:10:13 <dramsey> I have no idea. 05:10:23 * FranciscoD just logged into webchat, irssi keeps hanging up 05:10:34 <narasim_7> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Derived_distributions modified to include link to revisor under heading Creating Your Own Fedora-based Distribution. Please review 05:10:49 <dramsey> FranciscoD Looking better now? 05:11:01 <FranciscoD> unbanned, yes 05:11:11 <FranciscoD> I'd still like to know why i was banned though 05:11:24 * tezcatl is having troubles changing from dokuwiki-syntax to mediawiki-syntax ;) 05:11:55 <FranciscoD> heh 05:14:26 <dramsey> Is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia defuncted now? Is referenced in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution#How_to_Get_Fedora 05:14:50 <FranciscoD> dramsey: there's been a minor change in the meaning of "sponsored" 05:15:31 <narasim_7> #info https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Derived_distributions modified to include link to revisor under heading Creating Your Own Fedora-based Distribution 05:16:46 <FranciscoD> dramsey: If a volunteer wants, he can use an on line vendor and send someone media too. This is will be called the Sponsored Media program (Distribution/SponsoredMedia). This is not to be taken as a separate program. (Only Free media volunteers have access to the addresses) 05:17:02 <FranciscoD> dramsey: from my draft https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha/Fedora_Media_Distribution_Draft 05:17:15 <narasim_7> #info Looking at pages under F for recency 05:18:12 <FranciscoD> dramsey: inode0 narasim_7 tezcatl : I'm going to have to go. I'm still stuck with network issues :/ I'll look at the pages whenver my network settles down and put the info on the event page 05:18:25 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: ok 05:18:38 <FranciscoD> whenever you guys feel you've done enough, please close the meeting and link the logs to the event page? 05:19:00 <tezcatl> FranciscoD: NP, actually seems like a lot of work to do in translation too :/ 05:19:28 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: we can identify the areas that need lots of work and hold small fads for these individually? 05:19:44 <FranciscoD> since a lot of pages still can't be edited because of missing members 05:20:03 <FranciscoD> I mean, I can't remove the {{needs love}} because I need to confirm with someone from a team or something :( 05:20:14 <FranciscoD> grr.. lagging again 05:20:18 <tezcatl> i think this is a good approach to polish the wiki and give work to do to more people 05:20:51 <narasim_7> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraCD page repeats some content from other pages. 05:21:45 * narasim_7 doing minor edits to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraCD page. 05:23:16 <tezcatl> #idea: looking for a trac project able to handle all this issues to track every page needing love (Docs/Websites?) 05:24:49 <narasim_7> tezcatl : sounds good 05:26:39 <tezcatl> narasim_7: and like in this miniFAD's everybody can contribute, but we keep track on every issue (local vendors, Sponsored Media, duplicated info, etc.) 05:27:45 <narasim_7> tezcatl:rite, the lines tagged with #action can be collated after the meeting gets over and added to the trac project perhaps? 05:29:07 <tezcatl> narasim_7: it would be a good start, and next iterations, we could get into that items and closing the tickets, check what must be done next. 05:29:20 <narasim_7> tezcatl: ok. 05:29:25 <narasim_7> tezcatl: yeah 05:30:42 <narasim_7> #info edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraCD. Spelling correction. Provided a link to revisor tool's home page 05:31:42 <tezcatl> and as a plus, we can commit to wiki editing, based on ticket number. This way Latam ambassadors handles their meeting pages 05:32:22 <narasim_7> tezcatl: oh ok 05:32:27 <dramsey> +1 narasim_7 and tezcatl 05:33:16 <tezcatl> dramsey, narasim_7 What trac project do you believe is better for this? Docs or websites? 05:33:21 <narasim_7> #info minor edit to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia_welcome_email#English. Removed Ænglisc :) from the heading of English email text 05:33:47 <tezcatl> to avoid another lag on asking for a trac for this 05:35:08 <tezcatl> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/es updated with links to Software Management Guide, Installation Guides and get-fedora. Lot of cleaning too :) 05:35:24 <narasim_7> tezcatl: gr8 05:35:33 <narasim_7> #action Skipped https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia already marked with needs love 05:36:29 <dramsey> So many https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia countries... 05:38:45 <dramsey> What do you think about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Git_Talk_FUDCon10 ? 05:39:18 * tezcatl checking... 05:39:30 * narasim_7 checking 05:40:10 <tezcatl> dramsey: seems like it deserves a whole guide for it 05:40:17 <dramsey> Concur 05:40:45 <narasim_7> yeah 05:41:31 <tezcatl> i hosted a classroom on git (in spanish) this week, and i have a mix of guide/workshop to work 05:41:50 <tezcatl> in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project/Course_for_New_Contributors related to work on Git/Publican 05:43:00 <narasim_7> dramsey: tezcatl : I need to log off, 05:43:21 <narasim_7> will be there for the next session 05:44:24 * narasim_7 needs to attend to some personal work 05:44:29 <narasim_7> dramsey: tezcatl: bye 05:44:57 <tezcatl> narasim_7: thanks and goodbye 05:45:05 <narasim_7> bye.. 05:47:32 <dramsey> +1 tezcatl 05:48:15 <dramsey> tezcatl, what is our plan now? 05:48:40 <tezcatl> dramsey: i think we could take on trac of docs project to work safely on the wiki gardening, since they use mainly bugzilla for the work on their guides 05:49:25 <dramsey> Okay. That makes sense. 05:49:27 <dramsey> ;) 05:49:37 <tezcatl> we could "file" at this moment action items of what we have discovered needs to be done 05:50:29 <tezcatl> for letting live them in the minutes, meanwhile i'll write to docs ML in order to ask for their support on letting us use their trac instance on fedorahosted 05:51:20 <tezcatl> #action tezcatl will ask to docs project to letting us use their trac instance for tickets on #wikigardening 05:51:32 <dramsey> I think there are a way bunch of countries in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love wiki like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Canada 05:52:16 <tezcatl> i agree, we could ask for help on FreeMedia pages to Neville from FAmSCo, he is engaged a lot on FreeMedia 05:52:35 <dramsey> tezcatl was there some action that FranciscoD asked about the having local ambassadors help with? 05:52:42 <dramsey> Okay, that sounds grand, tezcatl. 05:53:20 <dramsey> #action ask for help on FreeMedia pages with Neville from FAmSCo 05:53:22 <tezcatl> yes, we think local ambassadors should take care of local vendors on their respective areas 05:53:36 <dramsey> Should that be an action or is it already? 05:53:50 <tezcatl> i'm not sure, let me see... 05:54:48 <tezcatl> dramsey: it is on action items yet, but is unassigned 05:55:02 <tezcatl> kaio: ping? 05:55:55 <tezcatl> i think this is something FAmSCo could take to the whole project 05:56:04 <dramsey> +1 tezcatl 05:58:15 <tezcatl> #action tezcatl & dramsey will ask to FAmSCo call to action on wiki pages in Distribution to ambassadors 06:01:07 <tezcatl> dramsey: do you have more proposals to add at this moment? 06:02:19 <tezcatl> #info Distribution/Download/es moved to Archive since it has a lot of old info from FC6, and we have the installation guides featured on the home website now. 06:05:11 <dramsey> tezcatl, myself not at this moment. 06:05:13 <dramsey> Yourself? 06:05:32 <kaio> ping 06:05:35 <kaio> [ong 06:05:39 <dramsey> How about remove the tezcatl was there some action that FranciscoD asked about the having local ambassadors help with? 06:05:46 <dramsey> Whoops, remove https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Git_Talk_FUDCon10 06:06:08 <dramsey> disregard (3:05:36 PM) leftover cut and paste. 06:06:11 * kaio checking back context 06:06:35 <tezcatl> hi kaio, dramsey and i were wondering if you would take to FAmSCo the proposal to ask ambassadors take care of their local vendors 06:06:52 <tezcatl> and join to the effort of #wikigardening too :) 06:08:30 <kaio> tezcatl☺ we have met yesterday and we have action item that "check out with ambassadors their local cost of media manufacture and shipping costs". 06:09:00 <kaio> tezcatl☺ I have my obligations on wiki gardening for fedora-chinese :P 06:09:09 <tezcatl> i didn't read the minutes yet 06:09:16 <kaio> tezcatl☺ no problem 06:09:37 <tezcatl> but that action item seems like a perfect complement on this 06:09:55 <kaio> take your time. I had been covered by emails and action-items for a long time 06:10:17 <kaio> "take care of their local vendors"? 06:10:18 <tezcatl> first item on LatAm next meeting agenda :-) 06:10:36 <tezcatl> well, not of their local vendors 06:10:57 <tezcatl> but the info on the local vendors on their respective areas 06:11:24 <kaio> tezcatl☺ contact info and price info? 06:11:59 <tezcatl> at least contact info, but prices and shipping costs would be nice 06:12:08 <kaio> tezcatl☺ ++ 06:12:11 <dramsey> +1 06:12:38 <kaio> tezcatl☺ do we have current page for keeping such info? 06:13:35 <dramsey> This URL https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/LocalVendors ? 06:14:02 <kaio> tezcatl☺ would you mind prepare the url of the page and email the fam ML, to request fam put contact info, but prices and shipping costs for their local vendors please? 06:14:32 <tezcatl> ok, i can take that item too :-) 06:14:53 <kaio> tezcatl☺ appreciate 06:15:09 <tezcatl> i'll send the progress to famsco list first 06:15:16 <dramsey> Thank you, kaio and tezcatl 06:15:17 <dramsey> ;) 06:15:44 <kaio> dramsey☺ I just used mouth. you should thank tezcatl :P 06:16:11 <dramsey> :D +1 !!! :D 06:16:33 <dramsey> soon, kaio, you will have tezcatl's good thoughts to fill mouth... :p 06:16:34 <tezcatl> #action tezcatl will prepare ticket for FAmSCo on LocalVendors contact, prices and shipping costs for asking info from local ambassadors. 06:17:10 <tezcatl> seems like we have a plan and lot of work for lot of people here :-D 06:17:19 <kaio> yeah 06:17:19 <dramsey> True... 06:18:13 <tezcatl> so, are you ok if we close the minutes here and send to ambassadors ML in first place, then take on action items? 06:18:23 <dramsey> tezcatl, one more idea How about remove https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Git_Talk_FUDCon10 from the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love as a category page is needed? 06:18:32 <dramsey> Sure, I am golden to end meeting. 06:18:33 <dramsey> ;) 06:18:46 <dramsey> That is all from me now. 06:18:53 <dramsey> Thank you for chairing tezcatl. 06:18:54 <dramsey> :D 06:19:04 <tezcatl> #idea remove https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Git_Talk_FUDCon10 from {{needs love}} (dramsey) 06:19:13 <dramsey> Cool 06:19:18 <tezcatl> you are welcome guys, it's nice to work here 06:19:22 <dramsey> "1 06:19:24 <dramsey> +1 06:19:27 <tezcatl> in Fedora :-) 06:19:32 <tezcatl> so 06:19:33 <tezcatl> 3 06:19:38 <tezcatl> ......2...... 06:19:44 <tezcatl> .......1...... 06:19:52 <tezcatl> thanks to all 06:19:58 <tezcatl> #endmeeting