22:28:42 <mchua> #startmeeting
22:28:42 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Mar 13 22:28:42 2010 UTC.  The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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22:29:06 <mchua> #chair rbergeron inode0 quaid VileGent yn1v stickster spevack rharrison wonderer rrix rbergeron
22:29:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: VileGent inode0 mchua quaid rbergeron rharrison rrix spevack stickster wonderer yn1v
22:29:12 <mchua> (feel free to chair others)
22:29:16 * mchua --> hockey game
22:29:22 <inode0> rub it in
22:32:16 * rrix hockey game too
22:32:16 <rrix> 2au revoir!
22:33:23 <inode0> stop it :)
22:33:42 <rrix> spevack: is explaining how awesome hockey is :D
22:33:57 * rrix hopes inode0 isn't in irc-support-operators fas group ;)
22:34:15 * inode0 knows how awesome hockey is
22:35:14 * rrix trollin'
22:38:02 * inode0 cross checks rrix into the boards
00:31:29 <lcafiero> Hmm. Everyone must be at the hockey game
01:04:37 <threethirty> i think they are
03:19:21 <ke4qqq> rrix: ping - we need to decide whether to push off packaging stuff to tomorrow night or keep doing it tonight
03:20:30 <lcafiero> isn't it past rrix's bedtime?
03:21:14 <ke4qqq> lcafiero: no  it's onl 9:23 at his house
03:21:22 <rrix> lcafiero: isn't it past your bedtime, old fart? ;)
03:21:54 <rrix> ke4qqq: I think tomorrow night is better, unless I get this blag posts and stuff wrapped up Real Soon Now
03:22:10 <rrix> Hockey game was AWESOME by the way
03:22:27 <rrix> I almost got into a fight with gregdek over the beating PHX gave Carolina ;)
03:22:48 <ke4qqq> rrix: that would have been a better show than a real fight by the players
03:22:57 <rrix> ke4qqq: ;)
03:23:34 <lcafiero> You would have had to spend time in the penalty box, rrix
03:23:39 <lcafiero> gregdek too.
03:23:46 * lcafiero thinks the san jose sharks rule, anyway
03:24:09 * ke4qqq announces two things:
03:25:04 <ke4qqq> 1. Late Late Show is postponed because of a)Hockey Game, b)there are lots of people with assigned homework
03:26:01 <ke4qqq> 2. Lots of people are in the lobby hacking on homework
03:26:23 <rrix> hack hack hack
03:26:25 <lcafiero> The crowd goes wild
03:26:26 <rrix> nethack!
03:26:33 <lcafiero> go fedorans!
03:28:13 * rrix decides to be a contrarian.
03:28:15 <rrix> Go slackware!
03:38:03 * wonderer doin homework but WLAN is slooooooooooooooowwww
03:39:03 <ke4qqq> ohhhh I so don't want to go down this road
03:39:13 <wonderer> I found it very amusing that mostly all of the points I have summarized in "my" marketing plan where part in the actual one. Only the vocabulary have changed a bit.
03:46:07 <spevack> hey all
03:48:31 <ke4qqq> hi max
03:54:27 <lcafiero> hey max. WLAN slow . . . where have I heard that before?
03:54:37 <lcafiero> *cough*SCALE*cough*
03:58:22 <rrix> hey spevack
03:58:24 <rrix> lcafiero: there are a lot fewer geeks here than scale ;)
04:04:58 <ke4qqq> just 8 - and there is in excess of 1s lag
04:05:48 <rrix> is there?
04:05:54 <rrix> ssh is right up on time
04:09:09 * rbergeron pokes around
04:09:36 * rrix pokes rbergeron
04:09:50 * wonderer is coming...
04:09:55 <rrix> yay!
04:10:53 <spevack> hey rrix
04:11:36 * spevack does his homework
04:11:42 * rrix is doing his
04:11:42 <rbergeron> speeeevack
04:11:53 <rrix> after I regsiter for flickr
04:12:50 * rrix is tempted to buy a VM, set up gallery2, and set something flickr-ish up, where people can have accounts, but uploaeding masses of photso means they have to pay for the vm :P
04:15:43 <rbergeron> mchua is sleeping, for the record... we should buy her a trophy
04:15:47 <rbergeron> or a pony... one of the two
04:16:03 <rrix> or both!
04:16:13 <wonderer> what reminds me of the shopping trip...
04:18:26 * rrix nods
04:19:41 <ke4qqq> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraProject:Deletion
04:21:08 * hiemanshu is back home now
04:22:15 <rrix> moin hiemanshu
04:22:41 <rrix> hiemanshu: what's the FI status atm?
04:22:45 <hiemanshu> evening rrix
04:22:52 <ke4qqq> .fasinfo wonderer
04:22:53 <zodbot> ke4qqq: User: wonderer, Name: Henrik Heigl, email: wonderer4711@gmx.de, Creation: 2008-07-03, IRC Nick: , Timezone: Europe/Berlin, Locale: en, Extension: 5109562, GPG key ID: 0x042B3EE5, Status: active
04:22:53 <rbergeron> spevack: btw. thanks for doing whatever magic you did to hook us up with hockey game goodness. :)
04:22:55 <hiemanshu> rrix: zikula + theme setup on stg
04:22:58 <zodbot> ke4qqq: Unapproved Groups: magazine
04:23:02 <zodbot> ke4qqq: Approved Groups: marketing cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors
04:23:06 <hiemanshu> rrix: we are working on it, and simon will be here today
04:23:17 <hiemanshu> so we might be able to wrap up the few remaining tickets
04:23:52 <spevack> rbergeron: The mileage that I get out of my charming smile is not to be underestimated.
04:24:59 <rbergeron> spevack: i have no doubt.
04:25:39 <hiemanshu> rrix: we need a hand packing a few stuff, would love help
04:26:26 <ke4qqq> so I have this stupid question - I am an admin on an invite only group in fas - how do I invite someone?
04:26:47 <hiemanshu> ke4qqq: you add the person as a member
04:26:51 <hiemanshu> and approve them IIRC
04:27:45 <ke4qqq> hiemanshu: thanks - I completely missed the ADD field
04:27:46 <VileGent> .fas wonderer
04:27:47 <zodbot> VileGent: wonderer 'Henrik Heigl' <wonderer4711@gmx.de>
04:27:49 <rbergeron> zomg donuts are so deliciously awesome
04:28:36 <hiemanshu> ke4qqq: :)
04:28:55 <hiemanshu> ke4qqq: some times it helps to look around a little </nag>
04:29:20 <rbergeron> <--- having some serious ADD going on with homework
04:29:26 <rbergeron> and blog post
04:30:44 <ke4qqq> hiemanshu: the sad thing is - I have done it before - and both didn't see and couldn't remember it.
04:31:58 <hiemanshu> ke4qqq: better luck next time :P
04:32:27 <ke4qqq> hopefully :)
04:33:52 * wonderer also going to bed and looking some US TV till he falls in a coma ;-)
04:38:24 * stickster wrapping up last bit of junk here
04:39:41 <rbergeron> US TV? .... why, oh why
04:40:34 <rbergeron> i started reading "purple cow" on the airplane. this awesome quote is going straight to blog:
04:40:45 <rbergeron> "Create remarkable products that the right people seek out."
04:40:57 <rbergeron> I think today we really solidified the "right people" angle.
04:41:07 <rbergeron> and figured out the paths to those people.
04:41:16 <rbergeron> on ramps. etc. :)
04:42:06 <ke4qqq> wow that's far more eloquent than my page and a half
04:42:43 <rrix> lol
04:44:50 <ke4qqq> #task see if asterisk can record tomorrows conversation with RHT brand
04:45:06 <stickster> ke4qqq: Asterisk was pretty fail today.
04:45:23 <stickster> I'm writing an email to the list to let people know we were going to switch to Intercall
04:45:40 <stickster> I can record that too
04:45:41 <ke4qqq> stickster: ok - don't suppose it has recording capabilities?
04:45:44 <ke4qqq> awesome
04:45:54 * ke4qqq wish I had thought to request recording today
04:45:56 <stickster> I don't know how to *get* the recording -- but I'm sure I can find someone who does.
04:46:58 <rbergeron> hopefully, it streams... somewhere?
04:47:42 <ke4qqq> wonder if we could have asterisk dial in to intercall and stream the audio that way
04:48:08 <rbergeron> conference in the conference call
04:48:08 <stickster> ke4qqq: We can't dial out from asterisk
04:48:12 <rbergeron> that'd be a conconcall
04:48:18 <stickster> Our phone lines are incoming only to Asterisk
04:48:24 <rbergeron> and if we had some cancan girls, we could get them to dance.
04:48:24 <ke4qqq> stickster: doh - thats's right - I knew that
04:48:31 <stickster> So confusing!
04:48:36 * stickster really goes to bed now, totally beat.
04:48:41 <rbergeron> <--- becoming more productive by the second.
04:48:53 <ke4qqq> sleep deprivation will do that to you
04:49:14 * spevack is done with his homework --> http://spevack.livejournal.com/101818.html
04:50:22 <rrix> harr, time to do mine
04:50:26 <rrix> I still have to read
04:50:40 <rrix> and do a Marketing Plan Is AWESOME blag post/wiki/mail
04:50:44 <rrix> I'm a bad person :(
04:51:02 <rbergeron> baaaaaad
04:51:07 <rbergeron> here, have a donut.
04:51:28 <rrix> yes
04:51:53 <ke4qqq> aweome
04:52:11 <rrix> rbergeron: thx
04:52:54 <spevack> i assume you guys aren't low on food :D
04:53:35 <rrix> :D
04:53:43 * rrix mumbles something with his mouth full of donuts
04:53:56 <rrix> "om no nom we're nom good nom"
04:54:09 <rbergeron> http://wordshack.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/marketing-fad-day-1-midnight-add-post-hockey-blogging-at-its-finest/
04:54:15 <rbergeron> rrix: no problem.
04:54:29 <rbergeron> spevack's charming smile brings you those donuts, i believe you should thank him.
04:54:36 <rbergeron> at least that's wht he claims.
04:54:45 <spevack> my charming smile got us the hockey tickets.  my credit card got us the donuts :)
04:54:46 <rrix> spevack: om thank nom you nom
04:54:52 <spevack> heh
04:55:25 <rbergeron> mmm. donuts
04:55:38 <rbergeron> <--- is on her way to becoming an actual jelly filled donut herself
04:55:48 * rbergeron eats
04:56:27 <spevack> rbergeron: nice post -- i like the part about setting aside the "traditional way of doing something" and just attacking a problem in the way that makes sense to the group you are in and allows progress.
04:56:47 <spevack> i also like the picture -- you can *almost* see Shadowman on the right side if you look closely
04:56:51 <rbergeron> thx.
04:56:55 <rbergeron> yes, i planned it that way :)
04:57:03 <rbergeron> the picture.
04:57:06 <rbergeron> that is.
04:57:26 <ianweller> that looks like a conf room very similar to POSSE '09.
04:57:31 <rbergeron> wrt the blog: John and Paul have been talking about the same thing a lot lately.
04:57:37 <ianweller> either all of the conference rooms look the same...
04:57:39 <rbergeron> Ringo... no, i won't go there
04:57:40 <spevack> ianweller: that's because it is the same room
04:57:49 <ianweller> i knew it!
04:57:59 * spevack is impressed
04:58:09 <ianweller> and i don't even remember what i had for breakfast today
04:58:43 * rbergeron dccsends ianweller a donut
05:00:00 * spevack heads to bed.  See you all tomorrow
05:00:15 <rbergeron> see you at the day... err, summit, tomorrow.
05:00:17 <rbergeron> :)
05:01:02 <ianweller> when did we rename it a summit
05:01:02 <ianweller> ;)
05:01:49 <spevack> wonderer: http://www.braincache.de/wp/2010/03/14/fedora-mktg-fad-2010-day-1/
05:02:09 <spevack> I'd revise your post to say that we have a *draft* of a Marketing Plan which we will continue to evolve over the rest of the FAD.
05:02:27 <spevack> And that we'd like to hear what people's initial thoughts are as they look at that picture.
05:02:43 <spevack> wonderer: i think that makes it a more inclusive conversation for everyone
05:03:01 <spevack> if wonderer is away, someone should poke him and point that out.
05:03:03 <spevack> i'm going to bed.  :)
05:03:04 <rbergeron> spevack: he's @bedtime
05:03:38 * spevack emails this to him for the morning
05:03:39 <rbergeron> we'll synchronize that with him in the am - i'll send myself a reminder note in teh event he doesn't see what you wrote
05:03:48 <spevack> rbergeron: thanks!
05:04:00 <spevack> all: PEACE OUT
05:04:01 <rbergeron> spevack: go to sleep :)
05:04:55 <rrix> i haz flickrs http://www.flickr.com/photos/rrix/
05:09:53 <yn1v> rbergeron, I don't see in the F13 brainstorming things that are tied specifically to F13. There are of course some deliverables, but those will be repeated for next releases. Some stuff have been implemented already.
05:10:09 <rbergeron> I think they were F13 brainstorms in the sense of....
05:10:20 <rbergeron> we did it at the end of F12, compiled that list.
05:10:27 <rbergeron> with the intent of "let's do this at some point during F13."
05:10:38 <rbergeron> not necessarily, "this HAS TO BE in f13"
05:11:02 <yn1v> yeap, they fit with the other ideas... I will group them... some how
05:11:03 <rbergeron> does that make sense?
05:11:15 <yn1v> yeap, it does
05:11:26 <rbergeron> I think i repeated what you just said. I concur :)
05:18:19 <threethirty> hello
05:18:46 <threethirty> hello... ello ... llo ... lo... o
05:18:58 <threethirty> wow wicked echo
05:20:59 <rrix> lol
05:21:37 <ke4qqq> hi threethirty
05:21:44 <threethirty> hey ke4qqq
05:23:08 <ke4qqq> what would make the fad easier to follow
05:24:08 <threethirty> oh its just me, I have wicked ADD so if im not infront of people i wander
05:24:26 <threethirty> i should have made that more clear
05:24:46 <rrix> lol
05:25:24 <threethirty> the poor audio didnt help, i was getting a bit of Charile Brown's teacher when some people would talk
05:25:39 <threethirty> that made it a bit difficult to follow
05:29:04 <rbergeron> haiiii
05:29:11 <rbergeron> oh, i have super wicked ADD
05:29:13 <rbergeron> lol
05:29:22 <threethirty> hey rbergeron nice pics
05:29:30 <rbergeron> thx
05:29:36 <rbergeron> lots of them are ryan's work on my camera
05:29:40 <rbergeron> others are mine
05:29:41 <rbergeron> ;D
05:29:46 <rbergeron> oh, i think i explained that in the email.
05:29:51 <rbergeron> <---- sleepiez
05:31:55 <threethirty> rbergeron: i bet
12:09:36 <rrix> moin
12:15:22 <mchua_afk> hey quaid, http://www.flickr.com/photos/rrix/4430532445/
12:17:09 <rrix> mchua: is everyone in the lobby already?
12:17:13 * rrix is deaaaaaad
12:17:39 * azneita drops by
12:17:57 <mchua> Hey, azneita! Just read your blog post - are the logs ok? any questions?
12:17:59 * mchua doing homework
12:18:17 <rrix> I should read
12:19:38 <rbergeron> mmmm
12:19:50 <rbergeron> is wonderer awake :)
12:19:52 <azneita> mchua: still reading through the irc logs, just read the blogposts :)
12:20:02 <rbergeron> mchua lives!
12:20:57 <rbergeron> rrix: the only peepz in the lobby are me, ben and pa
12:20:59 <rbergeron> ;Du
12:21:02 <rbergeron> KEYBBBBOARD
12:21:08 <rbergeron> paul
12:21:19 <rbergeron> and my awesome grammar
12:21:41 <rrix> lol
12:21:49 * rrix ponders heading out thar
12:21:56 <rrix> rbergeron: is thar coffees?
12:24:57 <heffer> rrix, if thou hadst sleepen well and long enough you wouldn' be dead and in the need of coffee
12:25:08 <rrix> braiiiiinz
12:25:17 * rrix stumbles around like a zombie
12:25:39 <rbergeron> rrix: yes, but paul says it's terribad
12:26:04 <rbergeron> but there is caffeinated, coffee-resembling liquid down here
12:26:06 <rrix> I don't care, so long as its caffeinated. it was poop yesterday, too
12:26:08 <rrix> k
12:26:12 <rrix> be there soonish
12:26:26 <rrix> reading teh RedHat BRANDBOOK
12:26:27 * heffer is thinking about getting some Ultimate Ears super.fi 5 Pro
12:26:45 <mchua> Hey guys, what time are we leaving the hotel? I'm trying to finish my homework beforehand but I'm definitely rushing.
12:26:48 <mchua> Geez, I needed sleep.
12:26:59 <rbergeron> i think we're leaving at 8:40.
12:27:02 <rbergeron> theoretically.
12:27:02 <mchua> OH GOOD
12:27:13 <mchua> Okay, I'll just put off the SD card shopping for another day then
12:27:15 <rbergeron> ys get there at 10.
12:27:17 <rbergeron> errr.
12:27:18 <mchua> or maybe when we get back from dinner tonight.
12:27:20 <rbergeron> KEYBOARD
12:27:25 <mchua> Brandies get in at 10am.
12:27:27 <rbergeron> mchua: rh guys get there at 10
12:27:29 <rbergeron> so
12:27:37 <rbergeron> we'll have an hour once we get there to pull stuff together
12:29:29 <mchua> I've got some film we shot at Westford with spevack and sdziallas talking about spins, so I was hoping to spend that hour video-editing instead
12:29:32 * mchua downloading pitivi
12:29:34 <mchua> but yeah
12:30:09 <mchua> Wow, I haven't been this tired / slept this long for a while (though I did wake up at 3:30am, go "oh I'm AWAKE!" and forced myself to hit the pillow again)
12:30:12 <rrix> wot? 8:40 as in twenty minutes?
12:30:19 <mchua> 10 now.
12:30:31 <rrix> fuuu
12:30:35 <rrix> kay, brt
12:31:04 <heffer> BLT plz
12:32:10 <heffer> club sandwich would be okay as an alternative
12:32:20 <heffer> ist 1:30pm here
12:32:24 <heffer> so I AM HUNGRY
12:32:50 <rrix> I think that with X dying again last night, today is a good day to reinstall F12 on my thinkpad
12:34:09 <heffer> go for F13
12:34:10 <heffer> :D
12:34:16 <rrix> my netbook is on 13
12:34:22 <rrix> Thinkpad goes 13 at beta ;)
12:34:37 <heffer> netbooks are overrated
12:34:48 <rrix> not really
12:35:07 <heffer> i like how i live between two major airports. so i always get cheap fares :D
12:36:32 * rrix ttyl
12:36:33 <heffer> hmm summer in canada again? :D
12:37:43 <mchua> Hm, my netbook should go alpha. I'll bring it today.
12:38:09 <heffer> rrix, just go for the nightly composes of the KDE spin :)
12:38:20 <heffer> tried the latest today. works greatish
12:39:55 <pcalarco> hi all; itbegins and I have been working on getting RSS feeds working for Fedora Insight, for more discussion at tomorrow's FAD agenda
12:41:17 <pcalarco> see: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?theme=RSS
12:41:47 <mchua> pcalarco: you. ROCK.
12:41:57 * mchua out in exactly 1 min 30sec
12:42:03 * mchua packing to the strains of Coldplay
12:42:36 <heffer> for me it's Gary Go today :D
12:42:58 <pcalarco> see you online over there later this am
12:43:35 <heffer> or pm :)
12:48:31 <pcalarco> hehe, indeed heffer!
12:50:45 <rrix> heffer: is there f12 nightly?
12:50:50 <rrix> I was gonna use a unity respin
12:50:52 <heffer> rrix, nope
12:51:03 <heffer> rrix, it's pretty easy to make one yourself tho
12:51:17 <heffer> granted that RedHat has an internal Fedora Mirror :D
12:51:19 <rrix> myeah
12:51:24 <rrix> true :)
12:51:43 <rrix> the compose is always the hard part for me
12:51:53 <heffer> i'm sure you played with livecd-creator before, right?
12:52:01 <rrix> BUt with a mirror, i may as well install GA and update ;)
12:52:09 <rrix> heffer: yeah, and revisor
12:52:53 <heffer> rrix, basically you just git clone the spin kickstarts and edit fedora-live-base.ks to point at F12 mirrors
12:52:58 <rrix> yup
12:53:07 <heffer> git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts.git
12:53:08 <heffer> :D
12:53:41 <heffer> you could also add the kde-redhat mirror to the mirrors section :D
12:53:49 <heffer> did that once. works nicely
12:54:47 <heffer> but i don't think they have an interenal kde-redhat mirror at RedHat :D
12:56:40 <rrix> nope, they don't
12:56:54 <rrix> would be nice, admittedly ;)
12:58:26 <heffer> my german mirror does about 6GB a day atm
12:58:33 <heffer> ipv6 traffic included
12:59:17 <mchua> We're all in the hotel lounge now, and I think that when Neville finishes breakfast we'll all leave
12:59:54 <rrix> yup
13:03:00 * ke4qqq loves the bran conversation behind us
13:03:10 * rrix is ignoring it ;)
13:03:24 <mchua> There's a bran conversation? *turns around*
13:03:32 <rrix> "I need a strong man to put the batteries in" <-- huh?
13:03:42 <mchua> I don't think I can lipread that conversation without being awkward...
13:03:56 <rrix> mchua: The conversation is awkard, it's okay :D
13:04:12 <mchua> MEETBOT LOGS! LOAD! LOAD INTO MY BROWSAH!
13:04:25 <rrix> GET IN MAH BELLEH
13:05:13 * azneita just finished am log
13:05:23 <rrix> k, vilegent and I are gonna go load up the carz
13:05:27 <mchua> omnomnom logs
13:29:57 <rrix> omnomnom updates
13:32:59 <wonderer4711> here we go again...
13:33:11 <spevack> wonderer4711: did you see my comments in IRC about your blog post?
13:33:23 <wonderer4711> nope not right now...
13:33:39 * spevack finds it
13:35:05 <spevack> wonderer4711: I'd revise your post to say that we have a *draft* of a Marketing Plan which we will continue to evolve over the rest of the FAD.  And that we'd like to hear what people's initial thoughts are as they look at the picture in your blog post.  I think that makes it a more inclusive conversation for everyone.
13:35:05 <wonderer> found it at the oter IRC ;-)
13:36:01 * azneita just finished reading the logs and is of the opinion that mktg have the idea where it wants to go and how to go there, it just need to go there
13:36:28 <spevack> has everyone looked over the "red hat story" pdf?
13:36:32 <spevack> did everyone do their homework?
13:37:35 <azneita> spevack: i was actually expecting a history book but ended up with company profile :)
13:37:41 <ke4qqq> spevack: yes
13:37:43 <spevack> heh
13:37:49 <rrix> kay, netbook haz nets!
13:38:03 <ke4qqq> ianweller: where do you want bugs - ponies puked on mw commit
13:39:25 <heffer> rrix, ThinkPad F13 FTW!
13:39:40 <rrix> heffer: nein nein nein
13:39:44 <rbergeron> homework done. plus reading on DMM
13:40:01 <rbergeron> a lot of the questions we have on the whiteboard have some good background there
13:40:18 <mchua> http://blog.melchua.com/2010/03/14/marketing-fad-day-1-remotees-of-the-world-unite/
13:40:36 <rbergeron> #link http://darkmattermatters.com/2009/07/29/sharing-your-brand-story-and-heres-ours/
13:40:45 <mchua> ooo yes chris grams!
13:40:53 <mchua> see folks, this is why we need to blog our stuff too :)
13:40:54 <rbergeron> mchua: ....unite and take over?
13:41:01 <mchua> BWAHAHA!
13:41:23 <mchua> azneita: where would you say we want to go, and how we're thinking about getting there?
13:41:26 * rbergeron will have that song in her head for the rest of the morning
13:41:30 <mchua> Oh wait, it's the morning, I need to restart logs
13:41:31 <mchua> hang on
13:41:33 <mchua> #endmeeting