05:26:22 <mchua> #startmeeting
05:26:23 <zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2010-01-30/fedora-fad.2010-01-30-19.39.txt
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05:26:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Sun Jan 31 05:26:22 2010 UTC.  The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:27:15 <mchua> #chair herlo jds2001 stickster spevack dgilmore ctyler loupgaroublond zxiiro
05:27:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: ctyler dgilmore herlo jds2001 loupgaroublond mchua spevack stickster zxiiro
05:27:26 <mchua> Starting the log for Sunday.
13:00:55 <RodrigoPadula> Hello Guys
13:00:58 <RodrigoPadula> good morning!
13:27:05 <herlo> morning
13:41:50 <dgilmore> morning RodrigoPadula
13:42:08 <dgilmore> moring spevack
13:43:34 <RodrigoPadula> Whe you will start to work today guys ?
13:43:59 <RodrigoPadula> the weather is better today ?
13:44:03 <dgilmore> RodrigoPadula: at 9am EST
13:44:12 <dgilmore> RodrigoPadula: it is but the roads are still shitty
13:44:22 <RodrigoPadula> hummm
13:45:28 * herlo checks his flight status, seeing that it is sunny outside
13:46:51 <zxiiro> morning all o/
13:54:12 * mchua waves, heads outside to join the rest of humanity
13:55:03 <stickster> zxiiro: Good morning!
13:55:33 <stickster> zxiiro: herlo will be here shortly, and is looking forward to talking with you
13:55:54 <stickster> zxiiro: I think he wanted to help with some git methodology stuff, and asked that you hold off on committing for a few minutes
13:56:25 <zxiiro> stickster: sure, i'm just gonna grab some breakfast, i'll be back in about 10-15
13:57:21 <stickster> zxiiro: awesome
13:57:45 <spevack> hey all
13:57:56 <spevack> how are folkd doing from an airport perspective?
13:58:38 <mchua> I don't think everyone's checked that yet, could be wrong though.
13:59:10 <dgilmore> spevack: we are looking to see if anyone is canceled or significantly delayed
13:59:43 <mchua> huh. There are "sledding victims" on TV. Whatever that means.
14:02:44 <dgilmore> spevack: i cant find my flight explicitly yet
14:02:46 <stickster> spevack: http://fids.oag.com/fids/customers/rdu/default_new.asp
14:03:02 <herlo> zxiiro: hi
14:03:04 <dgilmore> spevack: but All american flights until noon are canceled
14:03:19 <stickster> It's looking like most everything early-morning was canceled, but things may start to free up
14:03:31 * herlo is *currently* delayed, but ...
14:03:53 <spevack> my GNOME session just locked up, moving a terminal window around.  I'm typing this from runlevel 3, but I may need to reboot.
14:04:01 <loupgaroublond> morning all
14:04:24 <loupgaroublond> spevack, pkill -u spevack, then you won't need to reboot
14:04:36 <loupgaroublond> and the libs and bins will be cached most likely, so you will load back up faster
14:04:36 <spevack> mchua, RodrigoPadula -- i'll be back shortly.  We're meeting in #fudcon-planning, right?  Let's get started at about :15 past.
14:04:43 <spevack> loupgaroublond: thanks
14:04:57 <dgilmore> thats fine spevack
14:05:28 <mchua> worksforme.
14:06:16 <spevack> loupgaroublond: that was awesome
14:06:35 <loupgaroublond> :D
14:06:56 <loupgaroublond> very handy when you have to kick people off a machine for downtime :)
14:08:33 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, ok
14:14:26 <mchua> dgilmore: do you know the list of pages you'll be working with Rodrigo on, or should we clean those up now?
14:18:57 <dgilmore> mchua: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010
14:20:13 <spevack> dgilmore: right, that's the primary page for FUDCon LATAM this year.
14:20:54 <dgilmore> spevack: yeah.  I was going to help RodrigoPadula populate it by going though the pages this weekend
14:21:55 * spevack goes to camp in #fudcon-planning
14:21:58 <mchua> herlo: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_Video_Kit
14:22:06 <herlo> mchua: thanks
14:25:31 <herlo> whee! I figured out my password :)
14:31:16 <zxiiro> herlo: hi
14:34:36 <herlo> zxiiro: so, I have a few things I'd like to discuss with you regarding git management and the code
14:35:54 <zxiiro> herlo: sure, i read that link you sent me yesterday. It was very educational :)
14:35:58 <herlo> zxiiro: dgilmore and I made some fundamental config changes
14:36:03 <herlo> to your code
14:36:23 <herlo> and we'd like to invite you to use fedorahosted.org, instead of github for your project hosting
14:36:37 <herlo> what are your thoughts, and where is rossand so we may discuss this with him?
14:36:42 <herlo> as well
14:36:50 <mchua> spevack: Chris and I are using https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_organization_process as our canonical "final shiny stuff goes here" page, for reference.
14:37:03 <mchua> I'm cleaning it up now to remove draft-like content, and will ping when that's complete in a few min.
14:37:11 <ke4qqq> ohhhh shiny
14:37:13 <herlo> shiny! </firefly speak>
14:37:15 <zxiiro> herlo: regarding moving where our code is hosted, i would suggest to talk to rossand
14:37:31 <spevack> mchua: awesome
14:37:47 <spevack> mchua: all the old stuff needs to redirect to that page, eventually, then, after you capture anything of value from it
14:37:50 * spevack is working with rodrigo
14:37:58 <herlo> zxiiro: k, I think there's s ton of value there and that you guys would get more support from the fedora folks as well
14:38:19 <herlo> zxiiro: as for your branches, can we clean them up and get the playground branch back into the main github tree?
14:38:42 <herlo> then we can create a develop branch and start coding there
14:38:57 <herlo> you branch from develop and create your playground
14:39:05 * herlo thinks the current playground is really develop branch
14:39:05 <zxiiro> herlo: yeah, i was planning on using the playground just for this FAD, and then doing something similar to that link you sent me yesterday and manage the code more proper
14:39:35 <herlo> aweseom!
14:40:22 <zxiiro> herlo: you are correct, i like to think of rossand as the owner/upstream. while my personal github as development.  but i think moving forward we need to make a better system for collaboration
14:45:42 <mchua> spevack: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_organization_process is ready for you
14:46:01 <spevack> awesome stuff, mel
14:46:37 <herlo> zxiiro: awesome!
14:46:40 <mchua> spevack: ..and that's what Chris and I will be frantically filling in over the next 2h or so. The big table is going to be the table of contents, everything will be linked out from its bullet point in that table.
14:46:47 <herlo> zxiiro: well, I'd like to get you the changes we made...
14:47:15 <zxiiro> herlo: i just pulled them, at least i think i did
14:47:17 <herlo> zxiiro: when would rossand be around today?
14:47:27 <herlo> zxiiro: what git url are you using?
14:47:50 * herlo also is very interested in getting the core freeseer.py into fedora today...
14:48:00 <zxiiro> herlo: how do i check the url?
14:48:08 <zxiiro> herlo: i did git remote but it doesn't tell me
14:48:15 <herlo> git config --list
14:48:23 <herlo> you'll see the remote in there
14:48:35 <zxiiro> remote.fad-experimental.url=git://fedorapeople.org/~pfrields/freeseer.git
14:49:25 <herlo> yup, but there's a playground branch in there
14:49:29 <herlo> did you get that?
14:49:33 <herlo> zxiiro: ^^
14:49:42 <zxiiro> herlo: i haven't seen rossand yet today so i'm not sure when he'll be on.  Try sending him an email, it usually buzzes his cell
14:49:56 <herlo> cool...
14:50:07 <herlo> zxiiro: I'll look up his email and ask him to join us...
14:54:54 <herlo> mchua: while you are eating, would you mind looking at and giving your opinion on its organization and whether this would work as a good model for the AV KIT?
14:55:13 <herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox
14:55:43 <mchua> herlo: Yes. copypasta!
14:59:24 <ke4qqq> rbergeron: limesurvey is gonna require a LOT more effort that we even thought yesterday http://fpaste.org/jiUL/
15:02:33 <ctyler> Shall we tag all these pages [[Category:FUDCon]] ?
15:02:58 <ctyler> Also, we should agree on FUDcon or FUDCon
15:03:53 <ctyler> FUDCon it is then
15:05:59 <loupgaroublond> it's spelled FUDCon, but it's pronounced Pony
15:06:30 <loupgaroublond> with apologies to graham chapman
15:08:53 <stickster> mchua: ctyler: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/images/pink-pony.jpg
15:09:17 * mchua is now using loupgaroublond's pronunciation for the remainder of this FAD
15:14:06 <mchua> herlo: http://www.zazzle.com/cut_copy_pasta_tshirt-235588023872775322
15:15:56 <herlo> than kyou
15:48:27 <spevack> stickster: how do we stand on travel stuff?
15:49:14 <spevack> i can't tell if http://www.buymeapony.net/ is real or brilliant troll
15:51:17 <stickster> spevack: We're going to start making decisions at 11am
15:51:22 <stickster> spevack: No one's flights leave until late afternoon
15:51:30 <stickster> spevack: By 12 we simply need to have rooms sorted out.
15:52:11 <spevack> k
15:52:45 <ke4qqq> spevack: if it's a troll it's a REALLY good troll.
15:52:52 <stickster> (and feel free to ask about details or questions, if you think I'm missing something)
15:53:04 * stickster just used really poor Engrish and apologizes
15:53:17 <stickster> The coffee here is really bad so drinking enough of it to wake up is... problematic :-D
16:02:54 <mchua> hey yn1v!
16:03:16 <mchua> yn1v: there's actuall a FUDCon LATAM conversation in #fudcon-planning that you might be interested in.
16:03:24 <mchua> s/actuall/actually
16:03:39 <yn1v> thanks mchua
16:03:49 <yn1v> I will join them
16:18:58 <herlo> stickster: is afk
16:46:41 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FUDCon-2009-survey-draft.odp
16:46:47 <mchua> #link http://img27.imageshack.us/i/ponies.jpg/
16:46:53 <mchua> #info WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THE GOAL OF PONY
16:46:57 <mchua> spevack: ^^
16:47:03 <mchua> (thanks to rbergeron :)
16:47:09 <rbergeron> take him to the airport
16:47:12 <rbergeron> err. her
16:47:28 * rbergeron discovered there is a lot of pony stuff on the intarweb
16:48:11 <herlo> :)
16:48:39 <rbergeron> also she would kick some butt against http://www.aikarin.com/mlp/customs/2006/winnie.html
16:48:47 * rbergeron wanders back to gobby
16:49:16 <rbergeron> which gobby doc are we in?
16:54:01 <spevack> rbergeron: that pony is superb
16:54:34 <rbergeron> i left the rainbow part out.
16:54:46 <rbergeron> i didn't think anyone would actually want to see the pony taste the rainbow.
16:54:48 <rbergeron> so to speak
16:54:52 * herlo is hungry
16:54:54 <rbergeron> or untaste the rainbow
16:54:56 * herlo points at mchua
16:55:01 <herlo> feed me!
16:55:03 <herlo> :)
16:55:19 <herlo> rbergeron: shhhh
16:55:23 <herlo> we're talking food now :)
16:55:31 <rbergeron> doh
16:55:34 <herlo> lol
16:55:42 <rbergeron> i'll just.... yeah
16:55:44 * rbergeron aways again
16:55:51 <herlo> rbergeron: I kid
16:55:59 <herlo> mchua: fooodz!
17:18:08 <ctyler> mchua: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_barcamp
17:18:15 <ctyler> now with pictures!
17:18:17 <ctyler> (well, picture)
17:51:40 <mchua> ctyler: http://fpaste.org/j2TM/
17:51:51 <mchua> that's a set of notes I made for the local science museum here, they're thinking of doing a barcamp
17:52:07 <mchua> ctyler: was wondering if it would be helpful to merge that into https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_barcamp somehow
17:56:43 <ctyler> yep. you doing or asking me to do? :-)
17:59:06 <mchua> ctyler: I'm doing
17:59:09 * mchua doing now
18:08:22 <mchua> ctyler: I added https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_barcamp#What_a_barcamp_looks_like, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_barcamp#Preparing_for_a_session, and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_barcamp#Resources sections to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_barcamp
18:08:34 * mchua --> working with jds2001 on wrapping up the FAD
18:13:32 <ctyler> mchua: added video links to the top FUDCon page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon#What_is_a_FUDCon_like.3F
18:40:54 * stickster is preparing to hit the road
18:41:10 * stickster says bye to all attendees, you guys rock!
18:41:23 <stickster> Thanks for a very successful FAD, both IRL and virtual!
18:43:54 <herlo> :) we rock!
18:43:58 <herlo> stickster said so :)
18:44:05 <loupgaroublond> stickster_afk, have a safe trip
19:00:31 <mchua> stickster has left the building.
19:00:37 <mchua> ctyler and ke4qqq will be departing in one hour.
19:00:56 <mchua> The remainder of us (myself, jds2001, dgilmore, and herlo) will be leaving one hour after that.
19:01:08 <herlo> so 3pm?
19:01:11 <herlo> for me ?
19:01:11 <mchua> So we've got 'till then to wrap up; Jon and I are working on the "things to follow up on" list.
19:01:14 <mchua> herlo: 4pm
19:01:17 <mchua> for you
19:01:19 <herlo> whee! yay!
20:10:15 <herlo> rbergeron: http://www.facebook.com/#/profile.php?id=722471698&ref=nf <-- thought I'd share :)
20:30:23 <smooge> how is it going today
20:30:43 <herlo> smooge: hi!
20:30:56 <smooge> I see you can moonwalk with gloves!
20:31:45 <herlo> smooge: huh?
20:31:51 <herlo> I had no glovs
20:31:55 <herlo> gloves
20:32:10 <loupgaroublond> folks, have a safe trip home (which i just said in the other channel too)
20:32:16 <loupgaroublond> i'm off for now
20:32:22 <herlo> ciao
20:32:26 <smooge> oh for some reason the video looked like you had breakdance gloves on
20:32:27 <rbergeron> herlo: i'm assuming that's you :)
20:32:36 <rbergeron> dude. who doesn't wear breakdance gloves all the time?
20:32:39 * rbergeron has hers on RIGHT NOW
20:32:43 <herlo> rbergeron: lol
20:33:09 <smooge> I am heavily medicated so it could be just that
20:33:45 <smooge> I have no idea who rbergeron is
20:34:07 <jds2001> rbergeron is Robyn from marketing :)
20:34:35 <herlo> smooge: /whois is very useful :)
20:34:40 <herlo> .fas rbergeron
20:34:43 <zodbot> herlo: rbergero 'Robyn Bergeron' <robyn.bergeron@gmail.com>
20:34:45 <herlo> :) that works too
20:34:57 <rbergeron> my nose itches
20:35:04 <rbergeron> someone talkin bout me? ;)
20:35:10 <smooge> were you at FudCon?
20:35:55 <rbergeron> no, i was not.
20:36:06 <smooge> jds2001, ok so the nice lady with only one-eye showing on the Planet
20:36:23 <rbergeron> i can swap my picture out for one of leela if you'd prefer? :)
20:36:34 <smooge> leela?
20:37:07 <smooge> I had major mouth surgery so ma on a couple of painkillers.. so I am way slow
20:37:15 <jds2001> have you not watched futurama?
20:37:20 <rbergeron> leela futurama leela :)
20:37:25 <smooge> oh
20:37:27 <rbergeron> yes, what he said.
20:37:37 <smooge> damn I am slow..
20:38:00 <smooge> and it hurts to laugh...
20:38:24 <smooge> rbergeron, you were the person who started the book-reading list
20:38:37 <rbergeron> that's me!
20:38:44 <smooge> I am catching up with quite a bit of email  :)
20:39:02 * rbergeron also uses gimp to create ponies at 3am
20:41:48 * herlo lubs ponies that were drawn at 3am
20:47:51 <rbergeron> herlo: she's a pwnie, not a pony! :)
20:49:32 <herlo> rbergeron: you are hilarious, and I actually suggested pwnie first :)  but everyone else here did pony, so I gave up and went with concensus
20:49:34 <smooge> why do ponies all look like frog-horses to me
20:49:57 <smooge> well the my-little-pony kind
20:50:11 <herlo> lol
21:09:54 <mchua> All right. Wrapping up - we've got to hit the road.
21:10:12 <mchua> I'm closing logs now and will be looping back to write up the FAD once I hit Paul's house (where I'm crashing tonight).
21:10:43 <mchua> Thanks to everyone for their help - I think we got to a good place with our work, and it's all linked to from...
21:10:46 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010#Pages_we.27ve_worked_on
21:11:05 <mchua> FUDCon is much closer to passing the bus/raptor test now.
21:11:28 <mchua> I think that a year from now, once we've had FADs and FUDCons planned with this process, FUDCon will pass the bus/raptor test with flying colors.
21:11:31 <mchua> Sweetness.
21:11:35 <mchua> All right, driving time. See y'all later.
21:11:38 <mchua> #endmeeting