18:03:20 <randomuser> #startmeeting Fedora Docs Office Hours 18:03:20 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 30 18:03:20 2015 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:03:20 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:03:34 <randomuser> awesome, smccann and grundblom are both here 18:04:10 <grundblom> Indeed!! 18:04:15 <grundblom> Hey everyone 18:06:19 <randomuser> ugh... this libxml "id already defined " business is ruining my day 18:06:19 <smccann> howdy! 18:10:56 <randomuser> your branch is looking good, smccann 18:11:00 <randomuser> does it build? 18:11:11 * randomuser has broken publican and can't tell 18:13:35 <randomuser> hm, grundblom's branch also does not build. 18:13:41 * randomuser goes to nag about the bug 18:15:07 <grundblom> strange! 18:15:38 <smccann> i haven't cloned myself but I thought it built yes 18:17:04 <randomuser> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1199396 18:17:12 <randomuser> early adoption tax :) 18:17:29 <randomuser> .fas veillard 18:17:33 <zodbot> randomuser: veillard 'Daniel Veillard' <veillard@redhat.com> 18:17:39 <randomuser> .fasinfo veillard 18:17:41 <zodbot> randomuser: User: veillard, Name: Daniel Veillard, email: veillard@redhat.com, Creation: 2005-10-13, IRC Nick: DV, Timezone: Asia/Shanghai, Locale: en, GPG key ID: DE95BC1F, Status: active 18:17:44 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs cla_fedora packager cla_redhat @cvslibvirt 18:21:22 <randomuser> anyway, if you both think your branches are sane, build properly, and look ok once built, we can get on with the merging 18:23:47 <smccann> yep 18:24:19 <grundblom> randomuser, I will test tonight and make sure it builds for me again, just to double check 18:24:28 <randomuser> fair enough 18:24:35 <randomuser> I'll do smccann's branch now 18:24:37 <grundblom> Should I email you directly, or to the list if it builds ok? 18:24:50 <randomuser> default to open :) 18:25:02 <grundblom> understood 18:25:36 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- immanetize pushed some commits to the 'docs/virtualization-getting-started-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/hZCw 18:31:17 <randomuser> .fasinfo smccann2 18:31:18 <zodbot> randomuser: User "smccann2" doesn't exist 18:31:22 <randomuser> bah 18:31:45 <randomuser> .fasinfo mccann2 18:31:46 <zodbot> randomuser: User: mccann2, Name: Sandra McCann, email: scmccann2000@gmail.com, Creation: 2014-11-03, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 18:31:49 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: docs-writers docs qa fedorabugs cla_fpca cla_done 18:32:48 <randomuser> smccann, I've sponsored you into docs-writers; you can check out the master branch and work in there now - with the virt getting started guide, or any guide 18:32:54 <randomuser> use your powers wisely :) 18:33:01 <smccann> eep! 18:33:07 <grundblom> Congrats! 18:33:12 <smccann> I HAVE THE POWER!!!! 18:33:47 <smccann> So are there directions somewhere on what I do differently now that I'm an official doc megalomaniac? :-) 18:34:33 <smccann> or is it everything the same except I have to learn how to do the merge step you are doing now? 18:35:06 <randomuser> smccann, it's the same pull, commit, push workflow - just leave out the fedorahosted repo part 18:35:24 <randomuser> err.. fedorapeople repo. You can commit directly to the fedorahosted repo 18:36:19 <randomuser> branches are optional - if you're doing something big, it's sometimes nice to create a branch and not worry about what's happening in master until you're finished - but if it's something small, you can commit directly to master 18:36:45 <randomuser> it's a judgment call - most of the time we don't bother with feature branches 18:37:07 <zoglesby> HI! 18:37:54 <randomuser> there are what I call 'release' branches - F20, F21, etc - those are published branches, which could merge commits or whatever 18:38:03 <randomuser> zoglesby, ! zoglesby ! 18:38:48 <randomuser> where have you been!? I've missed you hanging around 18:39:34 <zoglesby> issues with son got worse, started a new job 18:39:47 <randomuser> :( , :) 18:40:21 <randomuser> still in the same neighborhood, I assume? 18:40:48 <zoglesby> yeah, office in DC, but I work from home a lot 18:40:53 <randomuser> awesome 18:41:03 <randomuser> can I overnight you a casserole or something? 18:41:08 <zoglesby> Almost my whole team is remote 18:42:04 * randomuser hopes you opt for "or something" - want to help if possible, but doesn't actually make edible casseroles 18:48:05 <zoglesby> randomuser: no worries, the ability to work from home has made all of this easier 18:52:53 <randomuser> zoglesby, I'm glad you were able to find something like that. 20:53:32 <grundblom> randomuser, are you still around? 20:53:48 <randomuser> grundblom, yeah, I'm here 20:54:24 <grundblom> I just tested my branch, it built fine with publican-fedora c 4, release 2.fc21 20:54:47 <randomuser> nice 20:55:03 <randomuser> you looked it over in the browser, and are satisfied with it? 20:57:00 <grundblom> Well, I have been looking at it via the help browser, and looking over the built PDF so far. 20:57:10 <grundblom> nothing is jumping out at me as needs fixed 20:57:43 * randomuser nods 20:57:48 <randomuser> yelp is handy 20:58:41 <randomuser> grundblom, did you test the connect too other computers thing? 20:59:04 <grundblom> randomuser, I tested out the vnc connection 20:59:33 <randomuser> cool, I didn't know it did vnc. I was expecting only https://libvirt.org/uri.html stuff to work 20:59:52 <randomuser> ...we can add a bit on libvirt URIs later, maybe 21:00:02 <grundblom> Oh! 21:00:09 <grundblom> Wow, I didnt try any of that 21:00:27 <randomuser> yeah, libvirt can talk to just about anything 21:00:56 <grundblom> I did the VNC and attempted SPICE, but really only did VNC 21:01:16 <randomuser> I think unti recently spice was a virt-only thing 21:01:58 * randomuser just read about non-virt spice recently 21:02:56 <grundblom> I knew I forgot something 21:03:07 <randomuser> grundblom, well, I'll merge this so you can work in master, but still have a few comments 21:03:57 <randomuser> in some places you have 'files' refering to the abstract thing, and some places you have 'files' referring to the application, which should be <application>Files</application> 21:03:59 <grundblom> Oh, well if you think its not ready for prime time I will be happy to work on it more 21:04:17 * randomuser nods 21:04:59 <grundblom> Oh, hrm, ok I will have to look into that 21:05:46 <randomuser> just less confusing 21:05:57 <randomuser> anyway, give me a minute to merge this and sponsor your account 21:06:48 <grundblom> I think I see what you mean in 5.2 where I am trying to say how to make a new machine in boxes 21:07:40 <randomuser> I was reading the moving a virtual machine chapter, I think 21:08:53 <grundblom> Ah, yes I can see that, 21:09:04 <randomuser> oh, that might be better titled as "moving a boxes guest" or something similar, so it doesn't get people reading the toc mixed up about boxes vs other things 21:10:10 <grundblom> Maybe "How do I move a Boxes Virtual Machine between Computers?" to distinguish a VM made in boxes, vs a VNC or Spice connection 21:10:32 <randomuser> sure, something like that 21:12:17 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- immanetize pushed some commits to the 'docs/virtualization-getting-started-guide' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/zAOm 21:14:33 <randomuser> .fasinfo grundblom 21:14:34 <zodbot> randomuser: User: grundblom, Name: None, email: glen@rundblom.com, Creation: 2015-01-19, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 21:14:37 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: docs-writers fedorabugs docs marketing cla_done cla_fpca 21:14:48 <randomuser> there you go, docs-writers 21:15:18 <randomuser> your changes are merged into the master branch of the fedorahosted repo; you can work there and not do the fedorapeople thing anymore 21:15:38 <grundblom> Oh Wow, Ok, will try not to mess things up 21:15:59 <randomuser> :) I trust you to at least ask questions if you think you might :) 21:16:15 <randomuser> and git can be forgiving 21:17:02 <grundblom> Will do, I will change my git locations and refine the language in the next couple of nights 21:17:10 <grundblom> Can't wait for the semester to be over :-) 21:19:34 <randomuser> too bad sandra isn't still here, we could work out the plan for cleaning up the rest of the old content 21:20:34 * randomuser to the list! 21:20:58 <grundblom> Thats right, the list.. 21:29:25 <randomuser> grundblom, so, the files thing - it's more of a language problem than a tag usage problem 21:29:47 <randomuser> take a word like... oh, 'block' 21:30:53 <randomuser> it could be a block device, or a storage block, or a city block, or a kid's building block or the action of blocking another action 21:31:14 <randomuser> you can totally figure out which one it is from the context 21:31:51 <randomuser> but in another language, there could be completely different words to represent each English connotation of 'block' 21:32:57 <randomuser> we add the tags, in part, to help the translators or tools understand the context 21:33:04 <grundblom> I get that, and I think I said ISO image as well, and that could be confusing, because, its an ISO file... I just think of it as in image 21:33:24 * randomuser nods 21:33:51 <grundblom> this is a frame of mind I did not have before 21:34:05 <randomuser> grundblom, ISO image is used in the installation guide (I did a guick grep) so I think you're good 21:34:33 <randomuser> it's used at least 17 times, in fact 21:34:58 <grundblom> so, ISO Image is a more understood term :-) 21:35:44 <randomuser> sure - and it's consistent with other documentation 21:41:59 <randomuser> grundblom, sometimes I get lazy or can't find a tag that fits just right and use <literal>block</literal> 21:42:40 <grundblom> Oh, that is handy, 21:44:59 <randomuser> haha, my plan worked! 21:45:14 <randomuser> hold a meeting long enough, and eventually ryanlerch will join your meeting! 21:45:32 <ryanlerch> haha 21:45:34 <ryanlerch> :) 21:46:38 * randomuser keeps the story about camping out in a conference room for a week to himself 22:00:08 <grundblom> gotta go 03:27:07 <randomuser> #chair Comic 03:27:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: Comic randomuser 03:27:15 <randomuser> bah 03:27:27 <randomuser> #chair gomix 03:27:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: Comic gomix randomuser 03:27:36 <randomuser> #endmeeting