15:12:24 <randomuser> #startmeeting Fedora Docs Website Status Meeting
15:12:24 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jul 28 15:12:24 2014 UTC.  The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:12:52 <randomuser> let's start with a... status update?
15:12:53 * rkratky closing windows to keep out the storm
15:14:03 <rkratky> ok, i'm here
15:15:55 <randomuser> so, we have the vanilla site up and running on a VM
15:16:06 <randomuser> #info we have the vanilla site up and running on a VM
15:16:39 <randomuser> #info the VM is ansible managed and will automatically pull in any docs tagged into the el6-docs koji tag
15:17:24 <randomuser> #info rkratky and yruseva have been working on customizing the front end and landing page
15:17:33 <randomuser> good so far?
15:17:45 <rkratky> i guess
15:18:30 <yruseva> er
15:18:53 <yruseva> so, my update is I haven't done much :)
15:18:59 <yruseva> sorry, I've been covered with work
15:19:07 <yruseva> but it's alright now
15:19:24 <yruseva> so plan is I draw it and rkratky creates the stylesheet
15:19:24 <randomuser> no worries, life happens :)
15:20:16 <randomuser> is this for the existing html, then?
15:20:21 <rkratky> yruseva, yep, that's the plan, but i'm worried about integrating it on the site itself
15:21:03 <rkratky> randomuser, i haven't really had the time to look at koji, so i'm in no position to fix the html :-(
15:21:23 <randomuser> heh
15:21:36 <yruseva> hm, that confuses me too
15:21:45 <randomuser> i think the html in question would live in publican-fedora
15:21:46 <yruseva> I've only done CSS on static pages..
15:21:47 <randomuser> the brand
15:22:22 <rkratky> as i said before, i believe i know what's wrong with it (doesn't pull the proper css files), but i've no idea what to do with
15:22:32 <bexelbie> Sorry to interrupt your meeting, but is there a page that documents this project so I can read it and catch up on the goals and tech involved?
15:22:33 <rkratky> ...it
15:22:48 <randomuser> bexelbie, somewhat, hang on
15:22:53 <bexelbie> randomuser, ty
15:22:57 <bexelbie> randomuser, and no rush
15:23:33 <randomuser> bexelbie, https://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/4.1/html/Users_Guide/index.html
15:23:52 <randomuser> publican is the tool that builds the html from docbook and constructs the site
15:24:17 <bexelbie> randomuser, that's the publican user guide.  Is the new website you're working on a publican built website from rpms?
15:24:32 <randomuser> we have a publican "brand" that comes from the publican-fedora and publican-fedora-web packages that provides customizing stuff
15:25:13 <randomuser> bexelbie, yes, publican generates SRPMs which are built in koji; that's all the delivery/publishing mechanism, and that part is mostly worked out
15:25:35 <bexelbie> bexelbie, and this is to design the publican built web that takes those srpms and deploys them?
15:26:02 <bexelbie> randomuser, rkratky yruseva again, sorry to take over your meeting with basic questions
15:26:11 <yruseva> nope np
15:26:23 <randomuser> if you're going to help, I'm glad to take the time :)
15:26:51 <bexelbie> randomuser, I am not making any promises at the moment -- I am just evaluating your direction and my ideas/abilities :)
15:26:57 * bexelbie is not a designer though
15:28:25 <randomuser> bexelbie, also http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Publishing_a_document_with_Publican#Publishing_using_Koji_.28Using_Publican_.3E.3D_4.29 and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automating_publishing
15:28:45 <randomuser> we've got the deployment sorted out, and now want the front end to be better
15:29:13 <yruseva> so I'll try to make it prettier
15:29:57 <randomuser> #link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/docs-backend/en-US/
15:30:01 <randomuser> that's how it is mostly stock
15:30:32 <randomuser> #link https://rkratky.fedorapeople.org/docsweb/mockup/en-US/index.html
15:30:55 <randomuser> ^^ this is rkratky and yruseva's improvements so far, correct?
15:32:01 <yruseva> more like rkratky's
15:32:48 * rkratky is battling the elements again, sorry
15:33:48 <rkratky> ok, back again
15:35:04 <randomuser> rkratky, you were saying something about a CSS file ?
15:35:52 <rkratky> randomuser, it took some tweaking to get the website working offline - had to modify the html files. and i'm not sure how to do that in the packages
15:36:15 <randomuser> rkratky, was it a relative paths thing?
15:36:29 * rkratky checks
15:37:10 <randomuser> i have a few sed invocations in my bash_history on the backend
15:37:44 <randomuser> because it deploys with an absolute path for some resources, ie `https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/resource.css
15:38:33 <rkratky> randomuser, i don't think it was, but i'm, not sure now - it's been three weeks. i need to make a diff
15:39:20 <randomuser> okay, we'll table that issue for now
15:39:59 <randomuser> any other problems, besides the CSS path ?
15:41:51 <rkratky> not on my end. i think i got the hang of the css structure now, so i can make it happen when yruseva gives me the graphics
15:42:06 <yruseva> yep
15:42:27 * yruseva promises to deliver something nice..soon
15:43:09 <rkratky> randomuser, what's the schedule for this thing?
15:43:10 <randomuser> rkratky, I'm looking more into the bash_history here, trying to remember... there's some symlinking of CSS from /usr/share/publican too
15:43:44 <randomuser> if that's something that actually needs to be done and not just my fumbling, we can do it in the brand rpm
15:45:05 <rkratky> i'll find out what it was that i actually had to do
15:45:15 <randomuser> okay
15:45:27 <randomuser> let's talk about a schedule
15:48:34 <yruseva> yep, what are we aiming for?
15:48:38 <randomuser> F21 beta release is set for the end of August
15:48:44 <randomuser> how much can we get done by then
15:48:45 <randomuser> ?
15:49:23 <randomuser> keep in mind that whatever you figure out, i'll have to package up
15:50:32 <rkratky> well, for my part, it shouldn't be more than an afternoon's work, so i'm pretty confident
15:50:54 <randomuser> niiice
15:51:33 <yruseva> I'll give myself two weeks, I don't wanna overpromise :)
15:52:05 <randomuser> yruseva, so you're doing some PNGs?
15:52:24 <randomuser> or general mockups?
15:52:30 <yruseva> mockups for now
15:52:57 <randomuser> what about the slideshow?
15:53:01 <yruseva> PNGs are not a problem but the general layout comes first
15:53:31 <yruseva> O.o
15:53:53 <yruseva> I guess I've forgotten, could you remind me what it was about?
15:54:17 <randomuser> there's a slideshow at the top of the landing page that we don't have content for
15:54:50 <randomuser> I didn't figure out how to get content there, but the mockup has somethign
15:55:02 <rkratky> randomuser, i'd worry about that when the rest is done
15:55:36 <randomuser> okay, we can revisit that
15:55:38 <rkratky> yeah, i know how to display content, but it's just a gimmick. i don't think we really need it that much
15:57:00 <randomuser> rkratky, how does it work? would we create images for that, or is it html?
15:57:16 <randomuser> I'm wondering if someone else might be able to work on the content in parallel
15:57:21 <rkratky> randomuser, html (thank god)
15:58:56 <rkratky> i think the question is _what_ to put there. the rest shouldn't be that hard
16:00:22 <randomuser> maybe 4 slides to commonly referenced docs and one to our join page?
16:00:35 <randomuser> but as you said, probably not important right now
16:02:38 <randomuser> can we say a week for yruseva to come up with a mockup, a week for rkratky to style it, a week for me to work out deployment, and a week for testing?
16:02:56 <yruseva> I'm OK with this
16:02:59 <randomuser> that would put us at the last week in august
16:03:00 <rkratky> randomuser, sounds reasonable
16:03:33 <randomuser> great
16:04:03 <randomuser> do we want to meet again about it, at some point?
16:05:46 <randomuser> maybe, the week of 11AUG just to bring me up to speed for my part?
16:08:24 <yruseva> yes, sure
16:09:18 <randomuser> rkratky, yruseva do we want to schedule a time now, or closer to the date?
16:10:00 <yruseva> let's do it later, there might be some pop-up meetings I still don't know about :)
16:10:27 <randomuser> that happens to you too? :P
16:10:34 <rkratky> i'd prefer now. one thing though. i may be out of here from aug-18 till aug-21
16:10:56 <rkratky> heh, ok. just let me know some time in advance
16:11:48 <randomuser> let's say tentatively for around the same time of day as this; sometime after the 11 August docs meeting
16:12:37 <rkratky> ok
16:13:04 <randomuser> #info yruseva will work on mockups during week of 28JUL
16:13:24 <randomuser> #info rkratky will work on CSS to match mockups week of 4 AUG
16:13:43 <randomuser> #info we will meet to review sometime in week of 11AUG
16:13:49 <yruseva> randomuser, it happens sometimes :)
16:13:59 <randomuser> #info randomuser will work on deployment week of 11 AUG
16:14:05 <rkratky> randomuser, ok, sounds good
16:14:30 <randomuser> #info week of 18 AUG will be testing, coordination with infra
16:15:00 <randomuser> #info changeover planned for week of 15 aug
16:15:14 <randomuser> alright, we have a plan, win!
16:15:25 <randomuser> anything else to cover now?
16:15:51 <rkratky> nothing from me. thanks guys. good effort so far :-)
16:17:57 <randomuser> okay, thanks for taking the time for this meeting, rkratky and yruseva
16:18:06 <randomuser> and for working on the site, of course
16:18:20 <randomuser> #endmeeting