13:07:05 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Fedora Design Team Meeting
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13:07:41 <riecatnor> did I see in the email thread that we want to discuss wallpapers first thing?
13:07:50 <mleonova> riecatnor, yep!
13:08:06 <mleonova> gnokii, so what's the plan?
13:08:33 <elioqoshi> Where can we find the current proposals?
13:08:39 <gnokii> i have no plan, i just knw that we have to come up with something
13:08:53 <mleonova> ok, so I have an idea
13:09:00 <gnokii> ok shoot
13:09:26 <mleonova> what about taking some pic os starred sky like this one https://pixabay.com/en/sky-stars-constellations-astronomy-828648/ and putting some pattern over it?
13:09:40 <mleonova> like triangles or smt like this http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-160243973/stock-vector-seamless-geometric-pattern.html?src=JeRtW-aSv7u-IykzjJzgdw-1-16
13:10:16 <mleonova> I've been comparing various fedora sleeves we have around and like the idea of space
13:10:30 <elioqoshi> Have you checked out www.zoomyapp.com ? It offers 11000 public domain photos. The app itself costs 4 USD. Maybe we can get inspired from there
13:11:02 <gnokii> mmh would be like a reuse of f21
13:11:02 <gnokii> elioqoshi: i would prefer you listen
13:11:31 <elioqoshi> gnokii excuse me?
13:11:40 <riecatnor> gnokii: is there a place we can see all of the past wallpapers?
13:12:29 <gnokii> riecatnor: you would have to go to each artwork wiki page of the version, we stopped make an overview a few years ago
13:14:08 <mleonova> gnokii, can't seem to find 21
13:14:20 <gnokii> mleonova: wait
13:14:27 <riecatnor> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Artwork
13:14:54 <riecatnor> I think that the space idea is different, this one has clouds, and I think mleonova is thinking more of a galaxy look
13:15:21 <mleonova> riecatnor, yeah, exactly! constellations + some modern pattern
13:15:51 <gnokii> mleonova: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e2/Phoenix-bg-alpha.jpg
13:16:19 <sam08> hi!
13:16:41 <mleonova> gnokii, yeah, that's different
13:16:45 <riecatnor> hey sam08!
13:16:46 <mleonova> hi sam08
13:18:42 <sam08> have i missed much of the meeting so far?
13:18:45 <riecatnor> nope!
13:18:49 <riecatnor> we are talking about the wallpaper
13:19:11 <riecatnor> I like the space idea, and I agree with mleonova that it is different
13:19:11 <gnokii> yeah its the milky way in the bg but it will be same technique in creating it
13:19:27 <sam08> milky way? cool
13:19:44 <mleonova> sam08, https://pixabay.com/en/sky-stars-constellations-astronomy-828648/
13:19:55 <sam08> uhm, i've been working on something lately, let me show you...
13:20:05 <mleonova> sam08, yay!
13:20:28 <sam08> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewmfpjxjgez9xat/0540.png?dl=0
13:20:48 <elioqoshi> mleonova this photo is actually public domain and should be more suitable
13:20:48 <elioqoshi> https://unsplash.com/photos/8FwiZcXiX_g
13:21:18 <mleonova> sam08, ooh cool waves
13:21:30 <mleonova> elioqoshi, i think it's the same one
13:21:47 <riecatnor> I am not sure if we use photographs for the wallpaper, I believe we usually come up with the artwork from scratch? So we will want to generate something similar :)
13:22:15 <elioqoshi> Slightly different but yeah.
13:22:25 <sam08> thanks, mleonova!
13:22:48 <mleonova> sam08, scratch my idea, your's is cool =)
13:23:03 <mleonova> mb darker blue?
13:23:24 <riecatnor> sam08: I do like what you have here,, but I think it needs more depth
13:23:34 <riecatnor> yes, a darker blue or gradient could help
13:23:42 <mleonova> riecatnor, +1
13:23:48 <sam08> riecatnor, sure, it's just an in progress thing
13:24:18 <elioqoshi> sam08 is that done in 3D? Looks interesting
13:24:39 <sam08> elioqoshi, this is done in processing and gimp
13:24:49 <elioqoshi> Great
13:25:02 <sam08> the frames are generated in processing and then everything is merged in gimp
13:25:08 <mleonova> riecatnor, how are we on the schedule?
13:25:35 <mleonova> I thought gnokii would tell us, but don't see him anymore
13:25:37 <sam08> if think the alpha wp is due by feb 24
13:25:44 <riecatnor> yes, I am seeing that
13:26:30 <riecatnor> hmm, well we don’t even have another meeting before then
13:26:37 <elioqoshi> In past versions we tried square and triangle elements, what would you think to have a go at Hexagonal elements as patterns?
13:27:24 <mleonova> riecatnor, maybe let's schedule one to finalize the wp?
13:27:57 <riecatnor> yeah, perhaps next thursday, same time?
13:28:16 <elioqoshi> This cube/hexagon pattern might be interesting too
13:28:16 <elioqoshi> http://pre03.deviantart.net/e971/th/pre/i/2013/164/6/8/hexagonal_cube_pattern_thingie_by_black_light_studio-d68vloo.png
13:28:19 <riecatnor> sam08, would you be willing to work on making some variations?
13:28:24 <mleonova> sounds good!
13:28:25 <riecatnor> also mleonova, I still like your idea
13:28:37 <riecatnor> perhaps you can also bring a few mockups?
13:28:44 <mleonova> riecatnor,  I might work on that just in case =)
13:29:37 <sam08> the general schedule is already delayed by one week, is ours too?
13:30:23 <riecatnor> honestly, I am not sure if our schedule is delayed, I have not been too involved in the wallpaper process thus far
13:30:30 <gnokii_> think we have to put the meeting during my office time, cant guarantee to have net here
13:30:44 <riecatnor> what are your office times gnokii_
13:31:08 <gnokii_> 12 hrs different to yours
13:31:34 <mleonova> gnokii_, where are you?
13:31:47 <riecatnor> yes, but what times specifically will work for you
13:32:15 <gnokii_> mleonova: in my luxury apartment in PP which has unfortunately vietnamese internet
13:32:58 <mleonova> PP?
13:33:06 <gnokii_> phnom penh
13:33:13 <mleonova> oohh
13:34:08 <gnokii_> so where we been?
13:34:20 <mleonova> gnokii_, riecatnor sam08 so let's decide on the specific time for wp meet
13:34:54 <gnokii_> must be soon normally we should have it ready means packaged for 24th
13:35:27 <riecatnor> ok, what about next week?
13:35:31 <mleonova> gnokii_, we were thinking next Thursday
13:35:33 <sam08> fine for me
13:36:05 <gnokii_> thats already 18th
13:36:19 <riecatnor> ok, so what about early in the week, like monday?
13:36:24 <riecatnor> or tuesday
13:36:30 <mleonova> riecatnor, sure
13:37:02 <sam08> gnokii_ the general schedule is delayed by one week, is ours automatically updated too?
13:37:02 <gnokii_> sounds better
13:37:23 <gnokii_> sam08: its already the updated version
13:37:41 <sam08> thanks gnokii_
13:37:45 <gnokii_> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/25/F13-concept-rocketskytrails3.png
13:37:52 <mleonova> I vote for Tuesday ;)
13:38:15 <gnokii_> fine with me but better during my office times
13:38:34 <riecatnor> ok, what time works for you gnokii_
13:38:40 <mleonova> still haven't told us those, gnokii_
13:38:56 <gnokii_> mleonova: 12hrs difference!
13:39:08 <riecatnor> so you want it to be 12 hours later?
13:39:40 <gnokii_> riecatnor: yeah should be for you evening for mleonova afternoon and for me morning
13:41:00 <sam08> mleonova where are you?
13:41:14 <mleonova> sam08, Brno (CET)
13:41:34 <gnokii_> ooh no sorry its very early in the morning then sorry
13:41:57 <sam08> okay, makes sense now gnokii_! eheh
13:42:32 <mleonova> gnokii_, yeah, a little early =)
13:43:10 <gnokii_> mmh, what we do then?
13:43:46 <mleonova> gnokii_, well, this time seems to work.. you're here
13:44:03 <sam08> when do you leave the office, gnokii_?
13:44:13 <riecatnor> I could meet an hour earlier if necessary
13:44:19 <gnokii_> yeah since ryanlerch and me are on the other side of the globe its hard
13:44:28 <mleonova> yup(
13:44:57 <gnokii_> riecatnor: that can be for me hard as i sticking then in the traffic
13:45:09 <riecatnor> no problem, this time works too
13:45:27 <gnokii_> riecatnor: for you but for mleonova is it 2am
13:46:00 <mleonova> pm right now
13:46:48 <gnokii_> yeah right now
13:49:30 <mleonova> sooo.. same time on Tuesday?
13:51:24 <riecatnor> works for me as of now
13:51:57 <sam08> so 1PM GMT?
13:52:12 <gnokii_> cant guarantee to be there
13:52:29 <mleonova> sam08, yeah
13:55:20 <sam08> okay, good
13:56:01 <gnokii> lets move on still lot things on agenda
13:56:11 <mleonova> gnokii, ok!
13:57:38 <mleonova> riecatnor, let's do tickets?
13:58:33 <elioqoshi> I wanted to ask, how can I become part of the design group on FAS?
13:58:44 <riecatnor> yep!
13:58:53 <gnokii> its an invite group
13:59:44 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/423
13:59:44 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/423"
13:59:53 <riecatnor> this is a new ticket
14:00:02 <elioqoshi> Yeah, I understand it's an invite group, I'm asking about the process
14:00:20 <gnokii> riecatnor: can you short tell whats it net is so slow until i see the ticket
14:00:58 <riecatnor> it is a ad for LinuxFest, deadline april 1
14:01:23 <riecatnor> it is an ad for the Fedora Booth and we are sponsoring a Friday game night
14:01:29 <sam08> elioqoshi, you need sponsorship, but i don't think that we as normal users can do that
14:01:41 <gnokii> ok, there is all data so its triaged
14:01:55 <riecatnor> elioqoshi: I think the best way is to pick up a ticket and complete work, then someone will sponsor you
14:01:56 <gnokii> sam08: no only group admins
14:02:08 <elioqoshi> riecatnor, makes sense, thanks
14:02:11 <riecatnor> anyone interested in this ticket?
14:02:14 <mleonova> riecatnor, I think I did that last year..
14:02:22 <mleonova> I might take it again
14:02:29 <riecatnor> ok! that would be great :)
14:02:45 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/422
14:02:45 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/422"
14:02:56 <riecatnor> this is also a new ticket
14:03:33 <elioqoshi> When graphics are requested, the source files are needed too right? InkScape / GIMP formats?
14:04:05 <mleonova> elioqoshi, of course
14:04:48 <gnokii> ^^
14:04:57 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- mleonova updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/423
14:06:39 <gnokii> #422 is nonsense
14:07:03 <riecatnor> how so gnokii?
14:07:17 <gnokii> riecatnor: because we do it already
14:07:26 <gnokii> and the ones we do are enough
14:07:39 <riecatnor> ok, sounds good, should we comment saying that and close it?
14:10:01 <gnokii> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F23_Artwork/Submissions/Banners
14:11:00 <gnokii> riecatnor: yes, we should.
14:11:11 <sam08> probably this is about keeping the wiki updated so people can find them easily
14:11:25 <gnokii> sam08: we updated
14:11:43 <gnokii> but we stopped 10 years ago make a collection page
14:12:40 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- riecatnor closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/422
14:12:49 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/421
14:12:50 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/421"
14:13:00 <sam08> sure, but then point him to that page, he's looking for the banners in the wrong place
14:14:26 <riecatnor> I put it in the comment
14:14:38 <sam08> we discussed about the typefaces thing during the FAD last year, but i don't really remember what had been decided
14:15:16 <riecatnor> well, it seems like we are using other typefaces already, so I think pfrields is asking for us to update the wiki
14:16:19 <gnokii> riecatnor: no he wants an update of the impress template
14:17:45 <sam08> he's aking which fonts are we using, and to update wiki and templates accordingly
14:18:17 <gnokii> cantarell
14:19:11 <sam08> on screen only
14:19:23 <riecatnor> anyone interested in taking this ticket?
14:19:33 <sam08> is it urgent?
14:19:55 <mleonova> sam08, don't think so
14:20:54 <sam08> ok, i'd like to come up with with a set of fonts that may fit and then discuss with you about them so we can choose the ones we're going to use
14:21:09 <gnokii> sam08: its not about finding fonts
14:22:38 <sam08> is there anything stating which fonts are we using apart from the wiki page?
14:23:53 <gnokii> sam08: see above with the flavor logos we use cantarell
14:25:52 <elioqoshi> Is there any proposal for the F24 default wallpaper?
14:26:07 <elioqoshi> I did a proposal regarding that:
14:26:08 <elioqoshi> http://elioqoshi.me/owncloud/index.php/s/2Z8Q9703nCGI3cf
14:26:35 <sam08> elioqoshi, the default wp comes once the alpha/beta is closed
14:26:59 <sam08> generally the beta becomes the default
14:27:01 <gnokii> ^^
14:27:37 <riecatnor> any takers for 421?
14:27:44 <elioqoshi> Where do we submit proposals then?
14:27:53 <sam08> riecatnor
14:28:01 <sam08> i'm taking this
14:28:10 <riecatnor> thanks sam08 :)
14:28:15 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/414
14:28:15 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/414"
14:29:34 <sam08> but i really think we should discuss about this before deciding anything
14:30:43 <riecatnor> ok, well check out the ticket, and typefaces we are using now, and we can discuss next meeting when we have more info collected
14:31:04 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- sam08 updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/421
14:31:11 <gnokii> sam08: its not about deciding, its already decided
14:31:32 <sam08> WHERE?
14:32:03 <elioqoshi> I'd be happy to take on a ticket if you would recommnd one
14:32:30 <gnokii> what stickster means, he wants to see it in the guidelines which fonts we use not choosing new ones and he wants an update of the presentation template with them
14:32:36 <gnokii> not searching more new fonts
14:33:53 <sam08> okay, that's clear, but there's nothing stating which fonts we use, and going around looking for all the fonts designers are using in their artoworks it's pointless, imo
14:35:09 <sam08> we're using cantarell, okay, but that might not be enough, are we still using comfortaa? and droid sans?
14:35:12 <gnokii> hopeless
14:36:39 <gnokii> sam08: of course we still use comfortaa or did you see a change of the fedora logo?
14:37:02 <sam08> the logotype is not comfortaa
14:37:34 <riecatnor> It looks like he wants the one we are using on our different sites
14:37:39 <riecatnor> he references them on the ticket
14:37:52 <riecatnor> so I think an update of the guidelines and template with those is what he wants
14:38:04 <gnokii> riecatnor: he wants the update of the guidelines we talking since the FAD about
14:38:50 <riecatnor> ok, well we need to move on
14:39:08 <sam08> i will do something, let's move one
14:39:35 <sam08> *on
14:41:01 <riecatnor> so 421
14:41:51 <mleonova> 414?
14:41:58 <gnokii> leave it like it is, we can discuss next meeting
14:42:01 <riecatnor> thats what I meant :P
14:42:04 <riecatnor> 414
14:42:09 <mleonova> riecatnor, ;)
14:45:37 <riecatnor> look slike we are waiting on feedback
14:45:49 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/405
14:45:49 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/405"
14:46:11 <gnokii> what is it?
14:46:28 <sam08> infographic for fedora council
14:46:48 <riecatnor> last meeting jurankdankkal said he would work on this
14:46:56 <riecatnor> lets wait til next meeting to see if he comes up with anything
14:47:06 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/405
14:47:07 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/405"
14:47:15 <riecatnor> oops
14:47:16 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/403
14:47:16 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/403"
14:47:30 <riecatnor> this is mine, I uploaded the files, and am waiting for feedback
14:47:39 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/402
14:47:39 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/402"
14:48:14 <riecatnor> ryanlerch said he would work on this
14:49:15 <riecatnor> at the last meeting, so lets wait and see
14:49:24 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/374
14:49:25 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/374"
14:49:39 <riecatnor> threebean says wait on this
14:49:48 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367
14:49:48 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367"
14:50:12 <riecatnor> jurankdankkal is making edits to the design, so hopefully that is moving along
14:50:53 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279
14:50:53 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279"
14:50:58 <riecatnor> nothing on this for a while
14:51:04 <riecatnor> looks like it is ryanlerchs
14:52:34 <riecatnor> hmm, ryanlerch, around?
14:53:23 <mleonova> riecatnor I have to run to another meeting soon, if we don't have time, please take a look at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/367 and email/comment what you think? I really want to get those ready
14:53:24 <gnokii> he is in bed
14:54:34 <riecatnor> ok mleonova, I have an interview I am getting ready for today, so it may be a few days, but I agree, we should get them out asap!
14:54:48 <mleonova> riecatnor, np =)
14:56:01 <jflory7> Hey gnokii, design-related thing, but your F24 wallpaper Magazine article is set to go out on Monday at 8:00 UTC.
14:56:16 <jflory7> Everything should be set for publication
14:57:01 <riecatnor> well, then hopefully we get something from ryanlerch on the ticket soon
14:57:02 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199
14:57:03 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199"
14:57:20 <riecatnor> no response yet
14:59:19 <gnokii> loads and loads
15:00:42 <riecatnor> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/418
15:00:42 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- riecatnor linked to more information in the "Fedora Design Team Meeting" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/418"
15:02:04 <gnokii> i will look into 199 next week
15:05:47 <riecatnor> looks like you are working on 481 gnokii
15:05:51 <riecatnor> 418*
15:06:13 <gnokii> is it mattdms banner?
15:06:32 <sam08> yep
15:07:01 <gnokii> its done wait for feedback from him
15:07:07 <riecatnor> ok
15:07:11 <riecatnor> thats all the tickets!
15:07:17 <riecatnor> any thing else we need to discuss?
15:07:51 <gnokii> yes
15:07:59 <sam08> is the next meeting on tue 16 at 1:00 UTC, right?
15:08:06 <gnokii> 2 points
15:09:24 <sam08> if you want me to, i can set a github repo for F24 wp up and upload there some of the material i've shown you before
15:09:37 <sam08> so you can play around with it too
15:10:17 <gnokii> can I shoot?
15:10:57 <sam08> what?
15:11:07 <riecatnor> go ahead gnokii
15:11:26 <gnokii> ok had this morning a conversation with mizmo, about the FAD
15:12:06 <gnokii> we think the best time to do it is 29.-31. July, thats right before flock
15:12:54 <gnokii> any thoughts on that?
15:12:58 <riecatnor> ok, and this would be in boston?
15:13:14 <gnokii> yes, westford offices as mo cant travel
15:13:43 <riecatnor> as of now, that seems good to me
15:13:47 <riecatnor> anybody else have thoughts?
15:14:18 <sam08> uhm, nope, sounds good!
15:15:14 <gnokii> ok, second thing is flock itself
15:15:27 <riecatnor> ah yes, what should we propose
15:15:40 <riecatnor> and who wants to go or is planning to go
15:15:50 <gnokii> do we want to do a design clinic again?
15:17:03 <riecatnor> Yeah, I think so
15:17:13 <riecatnor> we did some cool stuff there, some of it being finished now
15:17:20 <jflory7> +1 to the Gimp/Inkscape workshop and the Badges workshop, I really enjoyed both
15:17:30 <gnokii> ok then I submit that again, next to me other stuff
15:17:40 <riecatnor> I will submit the badges workshop
15:18:07 <riecatnor> so gnokii you are going to do the gimp/inkscape workshop or design clinic?
15:18:18 <gnokii> i would prefer a badges hackfest to make some changes on it
15:18:33 <riecatnor> do you think we could do both?
15:19:09 <gnokii> i submit design clinic, i never submitted inkscape or gimp as i am in the opinion we have other events for that, i thinking since a week more of an poser workshop for ambassadors
15:19:16 <gnokii> poster
15:21:15 <riecatnor> didn’t we have a inkscape/gimp session last year?
15:21:16 <gnokii> ok that would be all then
15:21:30 <riecatnor> I will submit badges workshop and hackfest as well
15:21:34 <riecatnor> ok.. anything else?
15:22:40 <riecatnor> alright, thanks everybody!
15:22:44 <riecatnor> #endmeeting