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16:03:16 <mizmo> i think before we talk tickets we should talk about the f23 wallpaper
16:03:21 <gnokii> yeah but for you its the other direction
16:03:33 <gnokii> ++
16:03:35 <decause> .hello decause
16:03:36 <zodbot> decause: decause 'None' <decause@redhat.com>
16:04:21 <mizmo> so sam sent some updated mockups last week
16:04:57 <mizmo> did anybody get a chance to take a look?
16:04:57 <sam08> here I am :)
16:05:31 <gnokii> mmh on most lighting setup isnt right there is a grey film on them
16:05:50 <mizmo> sam08, hey!
16:06:10 <mizmo> i think it must not be possible to separate the sparkles? i think they might be a little distracting tho
16:06:15 <mizmo> the texture behind them looks interesting
16:07:22 <finalzone-laptop> url?
16:07:24 <mleonova> i liked the color on #11
16:07:39 <mizmo> finalzone-laptop, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100882866/Sharing/f23_wp_wip.zip
16:07:39 <sam08> everything's on github
16:07:41 <gnokii> I think with colors is 6 the best, I still not 100% convinced looks a little bit similar to the wp of the actual version of fedora
16:08:01 <finalzone-laptop> thanks
16:08:30 <mizmo> i wonder if theres a way to achiev ethat effect in something like gimp so we might have a bit more control over the lighting
16:09:07 <gnokii> sam08: you use cycles?
16:09:19 <sam08> nope, internal
16:09:46 <gnokii> switch to cycles and set the value for the world to white makes it easier
16:10:26 <sam08> makes it easier to do what?
16:11:38 <gnokii> the lighting
16:12:16 <sam08> anyway, cycles imho is useless in this case, the sparkles are lamps generated as particles on the background mesh
16:12:38 <finalzone-laptop> lighting done with blender?
16:12:41 <mizmo> what creates the weaving effect in the background?
16:13:43 <gnokii> sam08: yes and no lighting for the world thats where the grey comes from
16:15:28 <sam08> I'm uploading the blend file inn github :)
16:15:58 <finalzone-laptop> will the background change depending of the time?
16:18:03 <sam08> during the day?
16:19:41 <gnokii> sam08: we have the possibility to change the color or brightness of the wallpaper with the daytime we have done that for f19 wallpaper eg
16:19:59 <sam08> gnokii, yep, sure
16:20:04 <mizmo> it's an option, altho right now i'm more worried about having a wallpaper at all :)
16:20:32 * mizmo always gets stressed about it
16:21:05 <sam08> but, well, maybe having three or four based on this concept it's easier than getting one which looks perfect
16:22:26 <finalzone-laptop> that is why I thought when looking at those mockups
16:26:12 <mizmo> well
16:26:20 <mizmo> we should probably look at some tix too since it's been a few weeks
16:26:25 <mizmo> im not sure how to proceed with wallpaper
16:26:49 <mizmo> #topic tickets
16:27:31 <mizmo> is meetbot listening?
16:27:35 <mizmo> ##topic tickets
16:27:53 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210
16:27:57 <mizmo> Update fedoracommunity maps with Russia in EMEA (not APAC)
16:28:20 * threebean pokes zodbot
16:29:08 <decause> zodbot: !!!
16:29:08 <mizmo> okay im answering the quetstion is ticket 210
16:29:16 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360
16:29:20 <threebean> it looks like its just being slow.  should recover in a bit.
16:29:20 <mizmo> Fedora LiveUSB Creator artwork
16:29:58 <mizmo> gnokii, are you still working on this one?
16:30:24 <gnokii> nope had no time to do something on it, so far
16:31:47 <mizmo> okay
16:31:51 <mizmo> i dont think a new icon is neede anyway
16:31:58 <mizmo> i dont think most users are going to download all fedora permutations
16:32:27 <gnokii> mizmo: I think in generally we should think about a logo system for spins
16:32:38 <mizmo> i really dont like making new marks tho
16:32:40 <mizmo> like
16:32:44 <mizmo> the problem here is we have a logo system
16:32:46 <mizmo> it's based on logotype
16:32:58 <mizmo> and a tiny square isn't going to allow them to be legible
16:33:07 <gnokii> what we have right now is the wordmark and added the name of spin
16:33:09 <mizmo> i dont know that we should be upending our whole system for one specific case
16:33:55 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367
16:34:01 <mizmo> Need logo design for the Fedora Security Team(FST)]
16:35:07 <mizmo> this one is rough
16:35:19 <mizmo> does anybody have ideas?
16:35:42 <kirkB> Ideas about other logos?  What was the response to the last 2 images posted?
16:35:50 <mizmo> yeh
16:36:08 <mizmo> well the first one is problematic because it has the fedora logo embedded at too small a size...
16:36:09 <gnokii> why yogi makes changes on what was good
16:36:14 <kirkB> I like the shield, though not sure the fedora logo is allowed
16:36:24 <mizmo> same problem with the safe one.... it violates the logo giudelines
16:36:38 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210"
16:36:39 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210
16:36:40 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360"
16:36:41 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360
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16:36:43 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210
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16:36:45 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/360
16:36:46 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367"
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16:36:50 <mizmo> i think the reporters just wanted tweaks to the original design rather than brand new designs
16:39:30 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367
16:39:35 <mizmo> okay i gave him some feedback on the original design
16:39:37 <mizmo> and asked for the SVG
16:39:57 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/371
16:39:58 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/371"
16:40:02 <mizmo> Fedora security / CVE appreciation sticker
16:40:09 <mizmo> okay we've been waiting for feedback on this one for 4 weeks
16:40:24 <mleonova> yeah(
16:40:30 <mizmo> ill email sparks
16:40:51 <mizmo> mleonova, is your fedora mail mleonova@fedoraproject.org?
16:41:27 <mleonova> I'm not sure, I start tomorrow and will be given an email, I guess?
16:41:37 <mizmo> your fedora one should already be active
16:41:38 <mizmo> lemme check
16:41:50 <pingou> FPCA+1?
16:41:55 <mizmo> pingou, should be
16:42:05 <pingou> then should be ok inded
16:42:07 <pingou> +e
16:42:18 <mizmo> ohhh my bad
16:42:20 <mizmo> she's not in the design group
16:42:21 <mizmo> argh
16:42:24 * mizmo adds
16:42:34 <mizmo> mleonova, i'll cc to your gmail for now
16:42:51 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/371
16:42:58 <mleonova> mizmo, got it!
16:43:06 <mizmo> great :)
16:43:34 <fedmsg-design> fedbadges.badge.award -- mleonova has been awarded the "Pixel Ninja" badge https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/mleonova
16:43:41 <mizmo> pingou, how long does it take for the fpo email addresses to work
16:43:46 <mizmo> i just added her to the design group
16:44:16 <mizmo> okay we've gotten thru the stalled, aging, and tickets needing a response
16:44:24 <mizmo> so next is the untriaged tickets - which should be mostly new
16:44:27 <pingou> mizmo: a few minutes, let's say 20 to be on the safe side (even if it's probably sooner)
16:44:34 <mizmo> so if you are looking for something to work on, hopefully there will be something
16:44:37 <mizmo> pingou, oh okay great :)
16:44:48 <mizmo> mleonova, so in about 20 min or so mleonova@fedoraproject.org will work and it'll go to your gmail
16:45:02 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369
16:45:02 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369"
16:45:03 <mleonova> mizmo, great!
16:45:05 <mizmo> T-shirt design for Flock 2015
16:45:12 <mizmo> okay so this one is triaged, i need to take the triaged keyword off of it
16:45:46 <mizmo> what do you guys think about this one
16:45:52 <mizmo> i am sure riecatnor would appreciate the feedback
16:46:07 <riecatnor> from new set of tshirts, I like the top one the best
16:46:44 <decause> #info decause is helping with the Tshirt ordering for FLOCK
16:46:47 <kirkB> I like the F logo hanging in the middle (#3)
16:46:54 <kirkB> symmetry and all
16:47:03 <mizmo> riecatnor, the balance is a bit off though, one way ive seen this solved is diagonally aligning the logo and the banner on the bottom rather than straight vertical align
16:47:05 <mleonova> i like #4
16:47:11 <decause> #info Deadline to get the tshirt design to the printers is July 29th
16:47:37 <riecatnor> mizmo: ok, I like that idea
16:47:51 <gnokii> 4th from top with some small changes
16:47:56 <mizmo> the fedora bookmarky guy is bugging me
16:48:02 <kirkB> I like #1's idea of having the F logo on the end furl too
16:48:17 <mizmo> i like the buildings in 1-3 the best
16:48:21 <riecatnor> yeah, not the biggest fan of bookmark either
16:49:29 <kirkB> Agreed with buildings comment
16:49:39 <mizmo> i know it's a bit weird but im looking at beer labels to see how they handle the symmetry with lots of disparate infos https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=beer%20label&tbs=imgo:1
16:50:14 <mizmo> oh gosh this is probably the lamest idea ever but maybe having a flag, like a literal flag, flying in the city with the fedora f?
16:50:15 <mizmo> lol
16:50:22 <mizmo> could make it go out of frame to draw interest
16:50:22 <riecatnor> most are still centered
16:50:25 <riecatnor> i thought of that!
16:50:29 <riecatnor> also of a bat signal
16:50:37 <gnokii> riecatnor: the question is if that is not to much detail
16:50:44 <mizmo> this guy does a diagonal banner tho http://brewpublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Pyramid-Oatmeal-Stout.jpg
16:50:49 <mizmo> gosh a bat signal would be neat too
16:51:00 <kirkB> Another idea: raise the banner up and place the Fedora logo below it in the circle: http://start.beerlabelbuilder.com/preview/36969496-bf3c-4198-97d5-a6b2774c76f3-0.jpg
16:51:48 <kirkB> Or http://start.beerlabelbuilder.com/preview/417d149a-ebef-49e5-8c46-06f5e8f780c6-0.jpg
16:51:53 <kirkB> Just ideas
16:52:18 <riecatnor> ok, so play more with the banner and fedora logo
16:52:30 <mizmo> yeh i wish i had some better answers tho :
16:52:32 <mizmo> :(
16:52:38 <riecatnor> gnokii: how do I know how much detail
16:52:39 <mizmo> maybe diagonal alignment will work magically
16:52:51 <riecatnor> I might try the fedora white logotype again too
16:52:58 <riecatnor> could make things easier?
16:53:00 <mizmo> gnokii, depending on the printer it'll probably be okay
16:53:14 <gnokii> when its bigger then 1mm yes
16:53:57 <gnokii> when it works with the details on the buildings it looks nicer, just the bridge I would not fill with grey as more with the blue
16:54:27 <riecatnor> just thought I’d bring it up- logo on arm or back could be an option
16:54:34 <kirkB> Not sure the diagonal would work with the bridge being straight across like that, but worth trying
16:54:41 <mizmo> riecatnor, maybe make the flocktofedora.org part of the circle - expand it so there's room to write text between the two lines and stick it in there on the bottom (eg where it says product of new york here https://ws.elance.com/file/HIMYM-BEER_BOTTLE_LABEL-complete-mauro_flores_jr_copy-UPDATE.jpg)
16:54:53 <mizmo> er https://ws.elance.com/file/HIMYM-BEER_BOTTLE_LABEL-complete-mauro_flores_jr_copy-UPDATE.jpg?crypted=Y3R4JTNEcG9ydGZvbGlvJTI2ZmlkJTNENDM4MjYwMzglMjZyaWQlM0QtMSUyNnBpZCUzRDQwMDI0NDI=
16:54:57 <mizmo> wow thats an annoying url
16:55:13 <mizmo> riecatnor, then you could put fedora white wordmark in the banner - you can't really wrap the logo around a curve, but you can wrap the URL around a curve
16:55:30 <riecatnor> gotcha, ok
16:55:34 <riecatnor> that could be nice :)
16:55:38 <riecatnor> I will try it
16:55:41 <mizmo> another idea would be to keep as is
16:55:47 <mizmo> and instead of the frame being circular
16:56:02 <mizmo> add a square protrusion thing with a circle on the bottom to make room for the fedora f
16:56:16 * mizmo tries to find an example
16:56:29 <riecatnor> thanks mizmo, was having a hard time imagining what you mean ;)
16:56:38 <mizmo> http://thumb101.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/354094/139688383/stock-vector-beer-label-vintage-style-139688383.jpg something like this but with a circle centered on the bottom
16:56:45 <mizmo> will gimp something up to make sense, one sec
16:56:51 <riecatnor> oH!!
16:56:54 <riecatnor> no that makes sense
16:58:25 * decause is impressed with how convenient beer labelling is for inspiration in this design exercise
16:58:27 <mizmo> riecatnor, http://i.imgur.com/2g7Fs7R.png
16:58:45 <mizmo> somehow the way i sketched that looks a little dirty, i think i used the same brush that perez hilton does, sigh
16:58:52 <riecatnor> :P
16:59:00 <mizmo> but you get it :)
16:59:08 <mizmo> cool
16:59:14 <riecatnor> yes, I am going to get creative
16:59:46 <decause> #info FLOCK registration ends 7/15, which is when we'll have a headcount for shirt ordering
16:59:59 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/389
16:59:59 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/389"
17:00:04 <mizmo> Vertical Fedora logo for printing
17:00:10 <mizmo> fudcon pune is over so i'm guessing this one is good
17:00:22 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/389
17:00:31 <mizmo> okay here's a new one
17:00:32 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/388
17:00:32 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/388"
17:00:36 <mizmo> Logo for Fedora User Groups in Taiwan (Fedora Taiwan)
17:00:54 <mizmo> so we have a template for this one
17:01:02 <mizmo> does anybody want this ticket and I'll send you the template?
17:01:20 <mleonova> I can do that, I think
17:01:24 <mizmo> cool thanks mleonova :)
17:01:27 <mizmo> lemme send to you now
17:01:36 <mleonova> i love logos =)
17:01:51 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/388
17:03:01 <mizmo> sent
17:03:21 <mleonova> mizmo,  got it, thanks!
17:03:22 <mizmo> well okay
17:03:28 <mizmo> i dont see any other tickets really needing attention
17:03:36 <mizmo> and we're about at time anyway
17:03:45 <mizmo> im a bit nervous about the wallpaper tho
17:03:52 <mizmo> #topic wallpaper for f23
17:03:57 <mizmo> does anybody have any brilliant ideas :(
17:04:01 <kirkB> I have to run, but wanted to raise 374 for feedback/direction (update design wiki page).  I wasn't present for the original structuring of the new page.  I've finished fleshing out the content that was put into the skeleton, but comparing it to our current design page there is additional content that would be missing from the new page if we switched now.  Wanted to see if that was deliberate i.e. we don't want that extra info, or if I should find ways t
17:04:04 <kirkB> o add it all into the new page
17:04:14 <kirkB> oops, 364, not 374
17:04:16 <kirkB> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/364
17:04:16 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- kirkB linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/364"
17:04:21 * mizmo looks
17:05:23 <mizmo> kirkB, so the info you asked about - should still be on the page, we didn't have a chance to add it back. we talked about having a resources section where it'd live
17:05:28 <mizmo> i can post this in the ticket too
17:05:46 <kirkB> Ah OK, then I'll go through the current page and make sure all the info is present on the new page too
17:05:56 <kirkB> Thanks!
17:06:03 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/364
17:06:06 <mizmo> cool thanks for bringing up the itcket
17:07:55 * decause is late to the wallpaper party, but what do we need help with?
17:08:05 <mizmo> decause, direction :)
17:08:25 <decause> mizmo: I seem to recall there was once-upon-a-time a design bounty for submitting wallpapers?
17:08:40 <mizmo> decause, those are for supplementals tho not the main wallpaper
17:08:45 <mizmo> the main wallpaper we always collaborate together
17:08:45 <decause> kk
17:09:11 <decause> mizmo: you can fill me in on the particulars after the meeting is done. I'll stick around for a few.
17:09:17 <mizmo> okay
17:09:21 <mizmo> i'll end the meeting then
17:09:22 <decause> s/you can/can you?/
17:09:25 <mizmo> #endmeeting