15:23:58 <tatica> #startmeeting
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15:24:10 <tatica> #topic Fedora Videos : Roll Call
15:24:17 <tatica> lets see who is in here today :)
15:24:19 <tatica> .fas tatica
15:24:20 <zodbot> tatica: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' <tatadbb@gmail.com>
15:24:38 <tatica> please, introduce yourself (everyone :P )
15:25:48 <tatica> MarkDude, niteshnarayanlal FranciscoD bckurera
15:25:59 * MarkDude is in Northern California, Loves FOSS, BBQ, photography, and long walks on the beach
15:26:16 <tatica> lol - +1 on BBQ
15:26:48 * MarkDude is also NA Mentor for Ambadassadors, mktg team, design, as well as Beefy Miracle Sig
15:27:08 <MarkDude> .fasinfo MarkDude
15:27:09 <zodbot> MarkDude: User "MarkDude" doesn't exist
15:27:20 <MarkDude> .fasinfo Markdude
15:27:21 <zodbot> MarkDude: User "Markdude" doesn't exist
15:27:25 <tatica> you can just type .fas and your fas account name
15:27:27 * niteshnarayanlal is from India a student loves  Development , good Food and writing:P
15:27:46 * MarkDude goes to get more coffee
15:27:53 <tatica> ok
15:27:54 <jreznik> .fas jreznik
15:27:54 <zodbot> jreznik: jreznik 'Jaroslav Reznik' <jreznik@redhat.com>
15:27:59 <niteshnarayanlal> .fas niteshnarayan
15:28:00 <zodbot> niteshnarayanlal: niteshnarayan '' <niteshnarayanlal@indiatimes.com> - niteshnarayanlal 'nitesh narayan lal' <niteshnarayanlal@hotmail.com>
15:28:02 <tatica> hey jreznik :)
15:28:07 * jreznik is interested in #fedora-videos :)
15:28:12 <tatica> oh yeah!
15:28:17 <jreznik> tatica: hi, saw your post on fb :)))
15:28:32 <tatica> :O omg... what have I done!
15:28:53 <tatica> ok, so lets start and anyone can join during our meeting
15:29:05 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
15:29:05 <tatica> #topic Fedora-Videos : Our goals
15:29:05 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
15:29:25 <graphite6> .fas graphite6
15:29:26 <zodbot> graphite6: 'graphite6' Not Found!
15:29:44 <tatica> so... this is all niteshnarayanlal idea, since he has been interesting on teach, but (as I think, many of us know) people rather to watch a video instead read a guide
15:29:48 <tatica> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Niteshnarayan/video_tutorials
15:30:06 <tatica> if you have 5min, pls take a look to that url, and feel free to add to the contributors list
15:30:25 * MarkDude sees that videos are helpful for mktg, Ambassadors, etc
15:31:01 * niteshnarayanlal thinks Videos are one of the best ways to understand anything quickly
15:31:22 <tatica> yeap
15:31:41 <tatica> so, I think is pretty easy that our goal is "spread though videos"
15:31:50 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
15:31:51 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
15:32:00 <thunderbirdtr> tatica, !
15:32:39 <tatica> no need to ! for the moment
15:32:39 * FranciscoD is here
15:32:47 <tatica> go ahead
15:32:47 <FranciscoD> ill be here in 5
15:32:48 * MarkDude has had a few folks give feedback on niteshnarayanlal 's video, easy to understand, and another way to learn
15:32:56 <FranciscoD> just finishing cooking dinner :)
15:33:40 <MarkDude> Having a fe videos on the Foundations of Fedora would be a suggestion, starting with Friend
15:33:43 <thunderbirdtr> Can we add all videos on youtube and create "Fedora Videos" or something likethat for all and become offical for Fedora
15:33:51 <rbergeron> ooh what's this aboug
15:33:52 <rbergeron> about
15:34:07 <MarkDude> Friends, we have some pics already for it
15:34:22 <niteshnarayanlal> we were planning for a website dedicated to these videos
15:34:23 <tatica> rbergeron, morning!
15:34:28 <rbergeron> howdy tatica
15:34:33 * MarkDude understands that the MAIN place decided for official videos is the internet archive
15:34:38 * rbergeron is sad she is sort of blocked from jumping into this meeting
15:34:39 <gnokii> !
15:34:40 <niteshnarayanlal> so that we can point everyone to that and they don't have to search here and there
15:34:43 <tatica> I just took a look on some effort made last year, will add it to info
15:35:05 <MarkDude> http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/video-dude.png gnokii has made a logo for a page
15:35:08 <tatica> #info Fedora Video (2010) : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Video
15:35:32 <tatica> gnokii, go ahead
15:35:53 <tatica> gnokii, love it!
15:35:59 <tatica> ok
15:35:59 <bckurera> little late but I m here
15:36:20 <tatica> ok, now we will use the IRC meetings guidelines, because we are a lot of people :)
15:36:25 <gnokii> just a question have it really to be youtube, I mean cool they have CC license now but there are plattforms like vimeo the have that since they started and there u can also download the src
15:36:42 <tatica> ask to talk, ! - if you have a question ? - when you finish eof
15:36:49 <gnokii> eof
15:37:18 <niteshnarayanlal> !
15:37:29 * bckurera reading
15:37:34 <niteshnarayanlal> is this right way :P
15:37:41 <tatica> I think we can use several services, and create a network of "fedora official channels" and link them to a unique website.
15:37:55 <niteshnarayanlal> +1 for tatica
15:37:57 <tatica> besides youtube, vimeo, blip? perhaps... which one else could we use?
15:38:04 <rbergeron> archive.org :)
15:38:05 <niteshnarayanlal> it will be be compilation of all
15:38:19 <gnokii> rbergeron: +1
15:38:29 <tatica> rbergeron, isn't archive.org only for downloads? or you can also play embeded?
15:38:33 <jreznik> +1 for yt, vimeo and blip (we use blip for our rhcz videos)
15:38:44 <jreznik> tatica: would be great to have links available
15:38:46 <bckurera> what ever service which allow users to download the video directly would suffice
15:39:15 <tatica> true
15:39:28 <niteshnarayanlal> agree
15:39:41 <rbergeron> tatica: no, it has embedded stuff
15:39:47 <bckurera> further the usability should be considered, personal preferences
15:39:50 <rbergeron> http://www.archive.org/details/TheNewSpirit
15:39:55 <rbergeron> (for example)
15:40:00 <tatica> oh it does :D
15:40:01 <tatica> http://www.archive.org/details/OLPC_Fedora_01
15:40:15 <MarkDude> Archive.org would be canonical, but having place on other video places as *secondary* would not hurt, imho
15:40:23 <rbergeron> markdude: i agree
15:40:56 <tatica> perhaps, we can set up a default comment where we link to the website and/or archives.org
15:40:58 <niteshnarayanlal> just asking not sure how much it will work
15:41:06 <tatica> so people know where to download a theora source
15:41:12 <niteshnarayanlal> but we can have a separate section
15:41:29 <niteshnarayanlal> where probably can add there links directly of there fedora related websites
15:41:47 <niteshnarayanlal> irrespective where its been uploaded
15:41:48 <MarkDude> So a video could be made- then a judgment if it should be official- or community- and of course open standards being EASILY found is very important-
15:42:32 <niteshnarayanlal> we may divide them in categories
15:43:00 <tatica> #topic #Fedora-Videos : Video Features
15:43:16 <bckurera> once the content is verified it can be treated as official
15:43:30 <tatica> we could use the same teams structure we have to join fedora, and ask people to categorize them using those
15:43:45 <MarkDude> +1 both ideas
15:43:47 <tatica> http://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora
15:44:28 <niteshnarayanlal> so if we have a section for just adding the links so that till someone review  it and approve it that video will appear in that section only
15:44:41 <niteshnarayanlal> and we may associate a license thing to that
15:44:48 * FranciscoD jumps in
15:44:50 <tatica> would be too much to ask people, add an intro or out 3sec video that makes it official?
15:45:04 <bckurera> niteshnarayanlal +1
15:45:15 <tatica> and give them a guidelines (basic) so all videos look the same?
15:45:29 <niteshnarayanlal> by this way those users who are directly linked to fedora can add there easily without any hesitation
15:45:36 <FranciscoD> +1 guidelines
15:45:40 <gnokii> !
15:45:49 <tatica> gnokii,
15:45:54 <bckurera> branding is important so that it is good to share common format/ template with all videos
15:46:09 <niteshnarayanlal> and afterwards if we think that the video is good enough and not violating anything we can add it in the our main section
15:46:19 <FranciscoD> !
15:46:40 <tatica> gnokii, go ahead
15:46:45 <gnokii> openSUSE tried once the same building a video thing, for this jimmac made nice templates for a title, and the lst sequences it was only once used
15:47:08 <niteshnarayanlal> !
15:47:12 <gnokii> eof
15:47:15 <tatica> FranciscoD, go
15:47:16 <bckurera> !
15:47:24 <FranciscoD> templates for standardization is a must
15:47:41 <ixxvil> .fasinfo jameslabocki
15:47:41 <FranciscoD> also, while looking for a hosting service, it would be good to use one that supports subtitles
15:47:43 <zodbot> ixxvil: User: jameslabocki, Name: james labocki, email: jameslabocki@gmail.com, Creation: 2009-10-26, IRC Nick: , Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active
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15:47:55 <FranciscoD> that would make it easier to translate
15:47:59 <FranciscoD> eof
15:48:07 <tatica> languages... +1
15:48:08 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, go
15:48:21 <niteshnarayanlal> first +1 with FranciscoD and
15:48:53 <niteshnarayanlal> I think our guidelines should not be very restrictive
15:49:01 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
15:49:04 <tatica> bckurera, go
15:49:09 <bckurera> nice
15:49:21 <bckurera> most of the things I want to share is shared above
15:49:31 <bckurera> general template is a much
15:49:50 <FranciscoD> ?
15:49:51 <tatica> !
15:49:58 <bckurera> for the team members, others can submit their videos and of they are verified we can treat them as official
15:50:03 <tatica> s/much/must (I guess)
15:50:16 <bckurera> eof
15:50:22 <tatica> tatica, go
15:50:32 <niteshnarayanlal> !
15:50:35 <tatica> I have a question... people can be free to upload any video to their users page
15:50:51 * FranciscoD wonders if meetbot is working
15:51:05 <tatica> however, once they send it to us (or we collect them) what should we do: Upload it with the intro at our resources and link the author or just use the link?
15:51:07 <tatica> eof
15:51:12 * bckurera zotbot is sleeping
15:51:12 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, go
15:51:19 <MarkDude> !
15:51:19 <tatica> FranciscoD, if not, I'm loging
15:51:26 <bckurera> !
15:51:40 <niteshnarayanlal> I was saying what do you all think
15:51:59 <niteshnarayanlal> how we are going to take videos from other people
15:52:07 <niteshnarayanlal> namely how they are going to submit
15:52:15 <FranciscoD> upload, send link
15:52:20 <niteshnarayanlal> for that only I had suggested a separate
15:52:24 <niteshnarayanlal> section
15:52:37 <niteshnarayanlal> with certain terms and conditions
15:52:42 <FranciscoD> !
15:52:59 <niteshnarayanlal> like the above link has to be verified and are not associated to fedora for now
15:53:03 <niteshnarayanlal> just an eg
15:53:05 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
15:53:09 <tatica> MarkDude, go
15:53:11 <MarkDude> Some videos are obvious, and would basically be official from the start. Like say Foundations video- made by a few parts of Fedora. We assume good faith- the more folks that are involved. As well as people that have already made approved videos
15:53:33 <MarkDude> So we dont need to make 2 copies
15:53:42 <niteshnarayanlal> !
15:53:51 <MarkDude> gnokii, was there support at Suse?
15:53:54 <MarkDude> eof
15:54:02 <gnokii> !
15:54:05 <tatica> gnokii, short answer for that?
15:54:34 <gnokii> sure the kind of support SUSE/Novell always made, go for it but no other support
15:54:51 <tatica> ok
15:54:52 <tatica> bckurera, go
15:54:56 <bckurera> I want to take some time to share my idea
15:55:04 <bckurera> ok as noted we have a team
15:55:11 <gnokii> there was a second try to make a video channel mostly driven from awafaa but it also died
15:55:27 <bckurera> they should produce videos as official according to a common format and so on
15:55:39 <bckurera> others also can submit the videos they made as well
15:56:00 <bckurera> so that team members can verify them and mark as verified content
15:56:30 <bckurera> video can be uploaded to the video hosting service
15:56:39 <bckurera> youtube. veio ot any
15:56:53 <bckurera> then they can put the link and open a ticket on the trac
15:56:59 <FranciscoD> ! sorry, dc
15:57:07 <gnokii> !
15:57:18 <bckurera> so that team members can verify the videos one by one and we have a nice log as well
15:57:36 <tatica> question: you say make an official team in charge of make those videos, and collect those from who aren't part of the team. To turn them official? So we have a team focused on spread Fedora using videos?
15:57:58 <MarkDude> !
15:57:59 <FranciscoD> !
15:58:14 <bckurera> yeah team or set of ppl who verify them
15:58:17 <tatica> kk
15:58:26 <bckurera> eof
15:58:29 <tatica> FranciscoD, go
15:58:39 <FranciscoD> I'm not for a separate submission section. I feel folks can make something, license it appropriately and ask the team to take a look (trac ticket). If adequate, we place it in the collection. The simpler , the better.
15:59:04 <FranciscoD> the team is just to ensure that the recommended branding is used etc
15:59:11 <FranciscoD> eof
15:59:13 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, go
15:59:29 <niteshnarayanlal> i have 3 things to say
15:59:30 <niteshnarayanlal> 1.MarkDude said we have some videos which will be official from begining so we can have sections like official , howto -desktop etc     2.collecting links on a page rather than people sending it to some place will be easier    3.we must try to reach a goal such that after few time those people who  make videos and upload it should also give there links to our websites
16:00:09 <niteshnarayanlal> by upload i mean who upload on youtube and on other websites
16:00:10 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
16:00:12 <tatica> gnokii, go
16:01:15 <gnokii> I think FranciscoD has right, thats why openSUSE failed with it, make it easy. I mean is nice to have a fedor branded title and all this stuff but then u can not go let the ppl upload it to a service and give us the link to it
16:01:28 <FranciscoD> !
16:01:35 <gnokii> Because then u will have later one version with and one version without it
16:01:36 <gnokii> eof
16:01:39 <tatica> MarkDude, go
16:01:41 <MarkDude> Some videos are parts of Fedora, is Foundations video mktg- or Ambassadors? The SIMPLER the better. So we should think of some simple process, and get approval from F-Admin (if needed)
16:01:52 <bckurera> !
16:02:07 <MarkDude> Some videos can be approved BEFORE they are made, imho
16:02:08 <MarkDude> eof
16:02:11 <tatica> FranciscoD, go
16:02:16 <FranciscoD> Here's the thing
16:02:26 <tatica> !
16:02:28 <FranciscoD> I was making a screencast on vim for niteshnarayanlal
16:02:43 <FranciscoD> you need to make the screencast separately, then make an audio, run a script
16:02:48 <FranciscoD> to merge the two
16:03:07 <niteshnarayanlal> !
16:03:12 <FranciscoD> so, submitters can send the video, audio, transcript
16:03:16 <tatica> #info Tutorial and info about Screencasting http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting
16:03:23 <gnokii> FranciscoD: +1
16:03:26 <FranciscoD> i'm sure we can come up with a script for branding, such as the opening title etc
16:03:43 <FranciscoD> this way, people can translate, merge, and we have screencasts in different languages
16:04:05 <niteshnarayanlal> FranciscoD : +1
16:04:05 <FranciscoD> we will need the video to be approproatly licensed to be able to make derivative works though
16:04:27 <FranciscoD> similiarly, transcripts in different languages give you subtitles in different languages
16:04:30 <FranciscoD> eof
16:04:32 <tatica> bckurera, go
16:04:35 * FranciscoD takes a breath
16:04:49 <bckurera> agree with FranciscoD
16:04:55 <thunderbirdtr> FranciscoD, +1
16:05:00 <MarkDude> +1 other languages also
16:05:08 <bckurera> a trac and some dedicated set of fedorians would ok
16:05:22 <bckurera> should be simple so that every one may contribute
16:05:49 <bckurera> once verified we can add the link to the wiki so that all videos are located at a central place
16:06:06 <bckurera> agree with FranciscoD technical aspects
16:06:08 <bckurera> eof
16:06:12 <tatica> tatica, go
16:06:41 <tatica> I think that wiki might be tricky... what if we got 2000 videos? maybe a wiki section to talk about the project and link to an easy website that allows easily to locate videos by interests
16:06:41 <tatica> eof
16:06:42 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, go
16:06:50 <niteshnarayanlal> I just wanted to say the simpler our submission of videos will be the more chances of fedora video to grow will be there
16:06:53 <FranciscoD> !
16:07:06 <niteshnarayanlal> +1 for tatica
16:07:08 <thunderbirdtr> !
16:07:10 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
16:07:12 <tatica> FranciscoD, go
16:07:15 <FranciscoD> wiki--
16:07:27 <FranciscoD> a proper hosting location like youtube would be better
16:07:33 <FranciscoD> the wiki can have a list of links
16:07:35 <bckurera> !
16:07:41 <FranciscoD> we can always make channels and tag the videos
16:07:50 <FranciscoD> even stanford engineering does this btw
16:08:01 <tatica> FranciscoD, link pls
16:08:03 <FranciscoD> most of their videos are on youtube, with appropriate channels and tags
16:08:07 <FranciscoD> eof
16:08:09 <tatica> thunderbirdtr, go
16:08:13 * FranciscoD will look and give the link in a minute
16:08:15 <thunderbirdtr> about wiki--
16:08:22 <thunderbirdtr> Even we have 2000 videos or more
16:08:34 <t2hot> I missed it!!!!!!!
16:08:36 <thunderbirdtr> We can't all list them all in one page
16:08:45 <MarkDude> !
16:08:54 <gnokii> !
16:08:56 <thunderbirdtr> that's because maybe need to categorize for each topic
16:08:58 <FranciscoD> #link http://youtu.be/H9ngd6zCeUc
16:08:59 * t2hot wonders if the meeting is still on
16:09:09 <tatica> t2hot, it is
16:09:10 <thunderbirdtr> Or using youtube  fro FranciscoD ideas
16:09:12 <thunderbirdtr> oef
16:09:14 <tatica> bckurera, go
16:09:28 <bckurera> I think wiki would ok
16:09:29 <bckurera> agree with thunderbirdtr
16:09:43 <bckurera> we can maintain proper categorisation then it is easy
16:09:44 <bckurera> eof
16:09:47 <niteshnarayanlal> !
16:09:49 <FranciscoD> #link https://www.ai-class.com/home/
16:09:53 <thunderbirdtr> bckurera, +1
16:09:57 <tatica> MarkDude, go
16:11:11 * MarkDude suggests we hit 100 videos first, then we decide how to balance our sucess, Horse before cart, imho
16:11:22 <MarkDude> 20 videos even
16:11:23 <MarkDude> eof
16:11:27 <tatica> gnokii, go
16:12:14 <gnokii> the point of interest isnt where it put in on a list in the wiki or on yt or blip or something else, the main problem is where to put the soruces
16:12:48 <tatica> archive.org?
16:12:57 <gnokii> for fedorafolks its mabye ok to do it on fp.o but what is with ppl the like to do there first contributions that way?
16:13:17 <gnokii> tatica: that would be mean u have a video without sound ;)
16:13:25 <tatica> hmm true
16:13:26 <FranciscoD> !
16:13:33 * tatica adds that to todo list
16:13:43 <tatica> eof?
16:13:51 <gnokii> eof
16:13:52 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, go
16:13:56 <niteshnarayanlal> agree with MarkDude
16:13:57 <niteshnarayanlal> http://developer.qt.nokia.com/videos
16:14:01 <niteshnarayanlal> have a look at this
16:15:03 <tatica> #info QT developers network (eg) http://developer.qt.nokia.com/videos
16:15:22 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, eof?
16:15:23 <niteshnarayanlal> didn't get what source means ? is it where we are uploading the video actually?
16:15:25 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
16:15:29 <tatica> oh, sry
16:15:30 <tatica> ok
16:15:33 <tatica> FranciscoD, go
16:15:47 <FranciscoD> by source gnokii means the video file + the audio file + the transcript
16:15:52 * FranciscoD looks at gnokii
16:16:11 <FranciscoD> archive.org can be used to store sources, maybe in a zip
16:16:26 <FranciscoD> and the finished videos can be published to youtube
16:16:29 <gnokii> yes FranciscoD because its the best way as u said to do it
16:16:55 <FranciscoD> I'm against any idea that requires setting up of new infra on fedorahosted etc., it takes time, and you end up losing steam
16:17:02 <gnokii> FranciscoD: but archive.org does not allow to keep it private
16:17:16 <tatica> guys... lets keep the !
16:17:17 <FranciscoD> gnokii: why does it have to be private?
16:17:35 <FranciscoD> anyway, all the sources will be licensed to permit derivative works
16:17:49 <niteshnarayanlal> !
16:17:50 <gnokii> ooh thats true
16:18:01 <FranciscoD> lets keep it the foss way, open for anyone to use
16:18:13 <FranciscoD> work on a makeshift method and begin to churn videos
16:18:18 <niteshnarayanlal> +1 FranciscoD
16:18:24 <tatica> +1
16:18:26 <thunderbirdtr> +1 FranciscoD
16:18:33 <FranciscoD> if it isnt enough, or isnt convenient, we can always begin to set up our own infra in parallel
16:18:43 <FranciscoD> the focus should be on publishing videos
16:18:49 <FranciscoD> not where to keep them :P
16:18:50 <FranciscoD> eof
16:18:56 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, go
16:19:01 <bckurera> FranciscoD +1
16:19:20 <niteshnarayanlal> so probably now we have decided the things
16:19:27 <tatica> 10min :)
16:19:28 <niteshnarayanlal> so why not list them one by one
16:19:34 * tatica is doing that
16:19:43 <tatica> let me link you
16:19:56 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
16:19:58 <tatica> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Niteshnarayan/video_tutorials
16:20:18 <tatica> pls, take a look and lets see if we all agree. If not, feel free to change anything, but let us know
16:20:28 <tatica> lets use this final 5min to check that
16:20:42 <tatica> #topic Fedora-videos : Review goals and tasks
16:21:36 <MarkDude> !
16:21:43 <tatica> MarkDude, go
16:21:48 <MarkDude> Double check to get Admin approval
16:22:00 <MarkDude> request pics for Foudations video
16:22:06 <MarkDude> Friends
16:22:15 <tatica> model release papers... yeap
16:22:22 <MarkDude> And get streamllined process
16:22:29 <MarkDude> eof
16:22:38 <tatica> ok
16:22:45 <niteshnarayanlal> !
16:23:10 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, go
16:23:29 <thunderbirdtr> !
16:23:35 <niteshnarayanlal> the videos which are uploaded on youtube and on others . where we will be collecting there links?
16:23:42 <niteshnarayanlal> wiki?
16:23:56 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
16:24:04 <tatica> right now yes, I think best is not complicate things for now
16:24:05 <tatica> thunderbirdtr, go
16:24:26 <niteshnarayanlal> agree
16:24:52 <thunderbirdtr> For all videos  , This will be add RSS for all or each topic  ?
16:25:02 <FranciscoD> !
16:25:08 <thunderbirdtr> eof
16:25:14 <niteshnarayanlal> !
16:25:15 <tatica> not a bad idea... at all, like Miro?
16:25:16 <tatica> FranciscoD, go
16:25:34 <tatica> #link http://www.getmiro.com/
16:25:34 <thunderbirdtr> yes
16:25:38 <FranciscoD> if you maintain a youtube channel etc, it already gives you an rss feed iirc
16:25:52 <thunderbirdtr> +1 FranciscoD I know but
16:25:55 <FranciscoD> you can subscribe to the channel, and it tells you about updates etc
16:26:00 <mizmo> youtube is a privacy nightmare
16:26:06 <mizmo> it might be better to go with something like vimeo
16:26:17 <thunderbirdtr> I know that too  but FranciscoD All videos will be add it youtube ?
16:26:21 <mizmo> or veoh
16:26:40 <FranciscoD> mizmo: could you elaborate on "privacy nightmare" please, for stuff that is licensed under CC by SA etc?
16:26:55 * FranciscoD isnt very good at licensing
16:27:00 <gnokii> !
16:27:07 <mizmo> FranciscoD, all Google applications are a privacy nightmare, they will collect data on our users and use it to display ads (privacy != licensing)
16:27:25 <mizmo> a lot of floss projects seem to use vimeo
16:27:28 <FranciscoD> ah, hum, ads yes. Forgot that part :/
16:27:34 <FranciscoD> youtube-- in that case
16:27:34 <FranciscoD> eof
16:27:34 <mizmo> they are friendlier to ogg and other open formats
16:27:40 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, go
16:27:48 <niteshnarayanlal> even for youtube they will be added to the official page only after they are reviewed.
16:28:24 <niteshnarayanlal> as by the permission of the publisher we can use it as we want with his help removing youtube from in  between
16:28:38 <niteshnarayanlal> eof
16:28:40 <tatica> gnokii, go
16:28:49 * FranciscoD thinks tatica should begin summarizing now ;)
16:28:55 * tatica doing that already
16:30:01 <tatica> gnokii, go
16:30:11 <gnokii> first +1 for mizmo  second we alway talk about service they use flash, but how would be to think of an alternative with HTML done by us?
16:30:16 <gnokii> eof
16:30:21 <mizmo> !
16:30:24 <tatica> mizmo, go
16:30:40 <mizmo> vimeo (and maybe veoh) give you a raw link to the hosted video, on our side we could use HTML5 embedding and avoid flash
16:30:41 <mizmo> eof
16:30:52 <thunderbirdtr> +1 mizmo
16:31:37 <FranciscoD> html5++; flash--
16:31:39 <tatica> ok, so we are on time
16:31:49 <gnokii> damn forgot the 5 behind html :D
16:31:54 <tatica> I would like to recap the tasks that we could do for next week
16:31:58 <tatica> is that ok?
16:32:12 <niteshnarayanlal> yeah
16:32:16 <tatica> so we can set up who can take care of each one
16:32:18 <thunderbirdtr> yes
16:32:25 <tatica> ok
16:32:32 <tatica> according to videos:
16:32:52 <tatica> * Check privacy, licenses and Ads for each service and Check on HTML5 alternatives who link you to the theora source
16:33:13 <tatica> According to tasks:
16:33:29 <tatica> * Create a guidelines for official videos (or recommendations.. if guidelines is too strong)
16:33:45 <tatica> * Create a guidelines for submit and publish videos (same.. recomendations)
16:33:56 <tatica> * Categorize video sections by interests or teams (how do we plan to organize them)
16:34:09 <tatica> eof. Feel free to take a task
16:34:52 <niteshnarayanlal> last one categorizing the videos and
16:34:52 <bckurera> !
16:34:58 <tatica> bckurera, go
16:34:59 <FranciscoD> !
16:35:16 <bckurera> do we have a wiki to gather all those things?
16:35:34 <bckurera> eof
16:35:40 <niteshnarayanlal> !
16:35:46 <tatica> I think that, until we set up the guidelines and stuff, we should keep using https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Niteshnarayan/video_tutorials
16:35:51 <tatica> eof
16:35:53 <tatica> FranciscoD, go
16:36:03 <MarkDude> !
16:36:03 <FranciscoD> niteshs page is sufficient for the time being
16:36:07 <FranciscoD> #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_hosting_services#Open_source_video_sharing
16:36:13 <FranciscoD> #link http://blog.plumi.org/
16:36:18 <FranciscoD> looks kinda good
16:36:26 <FranciscoD> eof
16:36:26 <bckurera> ok thanks
16:36:28 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, go
16:36:54 <bckurera> !
16:36:54 <FranciscoD> #link http://demo.plumi.org/ -> demo site
16:37:00 <niteshnarayanlal> as i said i will do the last task and guidelines but will be needing some help
16:37:00 * FranciscoD sits back in the corner
16:37:09 <tatica> np, we are a team
16:37:21 <tatica> niteshnarayanlal, just make sure that link us through the mail, wiki or IRC what you have done so far
16:37:23 <tatica> same with all
16:37:41 * bckurera - helping hand is available here
16:37:46 <tatica> MarkDude, go
16:37:49 <MarkDude> Are we using the logo gnokii created for time being?
16:37:52 <MarkDude> eof
16:38:08 <tatica> I like that logo, maybe mizmo can take a look and we get aprove
16:38:10 <MarkDude> http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/video-dude.png
16:38:17 <tatica> bckurera, go
16:38:25 * bckurera creates a logo too, but gnokii's one is better :)
16:38:48 <bckurera> further shall we collect videos that are made published so far
16:38:57 <bckurera> so that our work load get reduce as well
16:39:01 <gnokii> yeah bckurera I saw but i always start working and dont say something to list or ticket system so sorry
16:39:05 <tatica> I can work on guidelines or recommendations
16:39:05 <bckurera> so mind it adding as another task
16:39:06 * t2hot would have wanted some tints of blue in that logo.
16:39:08 <bckurera> eof
16:39:16 <tatica> will asign that to me, can anyone else help me on that task?
16:39:28 <niteshnarayanlal> I can
16:39:30 <bckurera> gnokii ; np your logo looks great
16:39:40 <tatica> kk
16:39:58 <bckurera> tatica count me in
16:40:09 <tatica> we only have the privacy and html5 stuff left, who can take care of that?
16:40:12 <tatica> FranciscoD, MarkDude ?
16:40:20 <tatica> bckurera, ok, adding you to the guidelines
16:40:28 <FranciscoD> er, what exactly do we need to do for privacy?
16:40:34 <FranciscoD> look at the sites etc, right?
16:40:36 <tatica> Check privacy, licenses and Ads for each service and Check on HTML5 alternatives who link you to the theora
16:40:44 * FranciscoD can do that
16:40:47 <tatica> on each suggestion made, so we can select a group of places
16:40:48 <tatica> nice
16:41:11 <gnokii> tatica: there woud be np with privacy if we do the html5 variant
16:41:52 <tatica> and the lord alien said: but rules must be written, so new users and contributors don't ask this again!
16:42:08 <tatica> if you can give a hand to FranciscoD and write that, really explicit, would be awesome
16:42:56 <tatica> well, I think we are done
16:43:02 <tatica> is this time and date good for all of you?
16:43:03 <FranciscoD> erm, sorry, I'm very slow today: what else am I to do please? :)
16:43:07 <tatica> should we change ir or something?
16:43:10 <FranciscoD> time/date++
16:43:30 <tatica> fine
16:43:32 <bckurera> i love this time ++++1
16:43:43 <tatica> well... thank you all for beign here and be part of this crazy idea :D
16:43:50 <tatica> #endmeeting