19:00:16 <mizmo> #startmeeting
19:00:16 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun 28 19:00:16 2011 UTC.  The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:21 <tatica> wow, that was fast
19:00:22 <mizmo> #topic roll call!
19:01:02 * tatica o/*
19:01:03 <pcon> o/
19:01:16 <kirkB> o/
19:01:57 <Emichan> o/
19:02:17 <mizmo> hey elad661 we are doing roll call now
19:02:20 <mizmo> (meeting just started)
19:02:26 <elad661> yay! I didn't late
19:02:35 <finalzone> o/
19:02:46 <mizmo> is it okay if we start with the strategery topic? it was sent to the list after the agenda
19:02:49 <mizmo> what do you think tatica
19:02:57 <tatica> sure
19:02:57 <tatica> pls
19:03:02 <mizmo> #topic strategery
19:03:06 <tatica> wallpaper will take only like 10min
19:03:10 <mizmo> did anybody get a chance to read the 'strategery' email? :)
19:03:27 <mizmo> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2011-June/004563.html
19:03:29 * finalzone is reading it
19:03:42 <mizmo> a quick summary is -
19:03:49 <elad661> I read it.
19:03:54 <kirkB> yes
19:04:21 <mizmo> #1 we're proposing to only do a new wallpaper / media sleeves / website banners every release, and have standard artwork for the rest of the splashes in fedora itself
19:04:34 <mizmo> this way we can focus more time on developing the wallpaper and have less to worry about
19:04:34 <elad661> +1
19:04:39 <Emichan> +1
19:04:49 <mizmo> #2 we're proposing to step up a bit more in support of other teams, especially ambassadors / marketing
19:05:05 * kirkB would like to see at least a revisit of the standard artwork form time to time
19:05:16 <mizmo> #3 we're proposing to really step up (and we've already started) in UX design on top of the artwork / visual design we've traditionally done
19:05:25 <mizmo> kirkB, absolutely! just not every release :)
19:05:33 <elad661> kirkB: most of our artwork comes from the upstream of the desktop you're using
19:05:35 <mizmo> it should be neutral so that it won't clash with the wallpaper i think
19:05:49 <mizmo> we are the upstream for anaconda and firstboot's artwork though
19:05:54 <elad661> yep
19:05:55 <tatica> the idea is to give priority to some items
19:06:13 <mizmo> i think the grub & syslinux artwork from upstream are not ideal so that's a responsibility too
19:06:26 * finalzone also thinks plymouth needs more love too
19:06:27 * elad661 didn't see any anaconda "ransom notes" submissions yet
19:06:28 <mizmo> so this neutral artwork would be the anaconda / firstboot / syslinux / grub artwork
19:06:41 <kirkB> I like the idea, just don't want to lose any "freshness" over time in the standard artwork, hence the periodic revisiting.  I'm good with the proposal though.
19:06:43 <mizmo> finalzone, well we'd keep plymouth the same, plymouth is already a theme-neutral design
19:07:04 <elad661> mizmo: I'd say, we need to implement https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Syslinux for both grub and syslinux
19:07:08 <twohot> meeting?
19:07:10 <mizmo> elad661, agreed
19:07:14 <elad661> twohot: yep
19:07:22 <mizmo> actually im not sure why that didn't get implemented for F15 ;-) i think i need to talk to pjones about that
19:07:31 <mizmo> okay so the other big piece of the proposal is our structure
19:07:37 <twohot> o/
19:07:40 <mizmo> since we've grown a bit, i think we need mor ethan just one team lead
19:07:57 <mizmo> so the structure tatica and i have proposed is
19:08:15 <mizmo> #1 each release, someone steps up to be the default wallpaper wrangler (this release it's tatica)
19:08:26 <mizmo> #2 each release, someone steps up to be the supplemental wallpaper wrangler (this release is pcon)
19:09:01 <mizmo> these are pretty busy jobs, but since we change every release, it's not a huge ongoing commitment. if you know for the next 6 months you'll probably have the time, you can sign up, and then when the next release comes around and you're busy, you pass the torch to someone else
19:09:17 <mizmo> #3 we'll have a UX wrangler to help manage the UX design projects (i'm doing that now)
19:10:16 <mizmo> #4 we'll have folks step up to help us interface with different teams in Fedora. it looks like vinz and Buddhika have volunteered to help us work with Ambassadors and other folks managing Fedora events
19:10:39 <elad661> I can help with websites :)
19:10:46 <mizmo> yay!! awesome :)
19:10:49 <tatica> also Oyeinbo
19:10:56 <mizmo> #info elad661 will be the websites liasion
19:10:58 <tatica> *Onyeibo
19:11:19 <kirkB> mizmo, your email suggested you wanted to stay lead for UX - are you asking for help with that too?
19:11:32 <elad661> that remindes me
19:11:47 <elad661> kirkB: Please move all your ABRT work to our fedora-ux git repo :)
19:12:06 <mizmo> twohot, do you want to join Buddhika and vinz on the ambassadors / events management?
19:12:18 <kirkB> elad661, is that the sparkleshare thingy?
19:12:23 <mizmo> kirkB, sure could always use help :)
19:12:23 <elad661> yes
19:12:40 <elad661> kirkB: but I don't use sparkleshare, I use git directly
19:12:50 <elad661> same thing, just without the fancy UI
19:12:51 <mizmo> kirkB, one thing i need help with on the UX side is monitoring tickets
19:12:54 <twohot> EMEA, mizmo .... did a bit of it already
19:12:55 <kirkB> elad661, will try setting that up asap
19:12:59 <elad661> thanks
19:13:04 <mizmo> twohot, cool ill add you to that team then
19:13:07 <kirkB> mizmo, I'm happy to help however I can
19:13:21 <mizmo> #info Vinz, Buddhika, and twohot are the events & ambassadors liasons
19:13:32 * tatica has some FUDcon EMEA work done, those interested pls join me at this friday meeting
19:13:41 <mizmo> #info mizmo & kirkB are the UX action group members
19:14:01 <ixxvil> tatica: any artwork for FUDcon? let me know
19:14:22 <elad661> mizmo: please add kirkB to the fedora-ux git group
19:14:28 <tatica> yes, almost everything is done right now
19:14:28 <mizmo> sure one sec
19:14:30 <Emichan> tatica, when is the meeting friday?
19:14:32 <elad661> :)
19:14:41 <tatica> we only need some info from the EMEA guys to fill some artwork
19:15:00 <twohot> tatica, url pls
19:15:01 <tatica> friday at 15 UTC
19:15:01 <ixxvil> mizmo: if this ticket thing is just moving stuff around and reporting, i can do
19:15:11 <tatica> twohot, that's one of the biggest problems
19:15:14 <ixxvil> gimme a know how idea of it and i dont mind:D
19:15:23 * tatica suggest to continue the meeting and talk about fudcon emea at friday :$
19:15:24 <mizmo> elad661, kirkB - kirkB's in the fedora-ux git group now
19:15:32 <elad661> awesome
19:15:50 <mizmo> ixxvil, for tickets, we need someone to go through the ticket queue for really old tickets (say 6 months older or more) and see what's going on
19:15:59 <ixxvil> mizmo: and just report?
19:16:00 <ixxvil> i can
19:16:01 <mizmo> for example, if we did a design and the person who asked for it didn't respond
19:16:24 <mizmo> we gotta email them and say, 'hey you opened this ticket. we did this for you. you didn't give us any feedback, do you still want it or should we close the ticket?'
19:16:34 <ixxvil> ok i can do that
19:16:40 <mizmo> if someone asked for a design, and a designer signed up for the ticket, but months gone by and they didn't post anything
19:16:52 <tatica> brb
19:16:56 <mizmo> then you gotta email the designer and ask them, 'hey do you still want this ticket? or should i give it to somebody else?'
19:17:03 <ixxvil> sweet
19:17:05 <mizmo> and if that's the case, then open up the ticket for someone else to take
19:17:09 <mizmo> ill hvae to write up a tutorial
19:17:14 <mizmo> do you know where the ticket queue is?
19:17:17 <ixxvil> nope
19:17:48 <mizmo> ixxvil, https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/report/1
19:17:57 <mizmo> you should be able to login using your fedora account there
19:18:03 <mizmo> if you don't log in then you can't modify the tickets
19:18:07 <ixxvil> ok
19:18:15 <mizmo> the task, btw, is called 'triaging' so you'll be our new ticket triager. sound good?
19:18:44 <ixxvil> yep
19:19:04 <tatica> :d hurra!
19:19:06 <ixxvil> tere's like two tickets on top that are older than 6 months and assigned to none, what would we do there?
19:19:08 <mizmo> cool
19:19:27 <mizmo> ixxvil, for those tickets, what i would suggest is email the design team list and see if anybody is interested in taking them
19:19:33 <ixxvil> ah ok
19:19:39 <mizmo> since the ticket isn't waiting on the reporter or the designer, it needs a designer
19:19:48 <mizmo> these are good questions btw ixxvil they will help me write the tutorial
19:19:48 <mizmo> okay
19:19:52 <mizmo> so the last part about our proposal
19:19:56 <mizmo> it seems like everyone likes it (yay!)
19:20:09 <mizmo> i've started putting together tutorials on how to do these new roles
19:20:22 <mizmo> so that it's easier for anybody volunteering to understand what they should do and how they can help
19:20:31 <mizmo> he list so far is here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design#Design_Team_Duties
19:20:42 <mizmo> notice i just added a 'coming soon' item for triager :)
19:20:48 <mizmo> #info ixxvil will be ticket triager
19:20:53 <mizmo> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design#Design_Team_Duties
19:21:00 <mizmo> so if you are trying to do something
19:21:04 <mizmo> and you're not sure what you should be doing
19:21:09 <mizmo> ask in here, or ask on the list
19:21:13 <mizmo> and we'll make a new tutorial for it
19:21:20 <mizmo> okay
19:21:26 <mizmo> anybody have any questions / concerns about the proposal?
19:21:39 <mizmo> i think the next steps are updating our wiki text to include our new team structure
19:21:46 <elad661> yep
19:21:56 <mizmo> and Fedora 16 will be the first release we'll do the neutral splash theming for anaconda / firstboot / syslinux / grub
19:22:02 <mizmo> so we'll be working on that
19:22:45 <mizmo> okay next topic is...
19:22:47 * mizmo looks up agenda
19:22:51 <t2hot> sorry ... having a bad day today
19:22:52 <mizmo> fedora 16 coloring process!
19:22:58 <mizmo> #topic Fedora 16 default theme coloring status
19:23:00 * tatica needs to leave for a couple of minutes :\ excuse me
19:23:04 <mizmo> oh nos
19:23:09 <mizmo> okay we can skip to supplemental and come back
19:23:12 <mizmo> #topic F16 supplemental status
19:23:24 <mizmo> pcon, have you seen any new supplemental submissions? or do we need more advertising?
19:24:22 <elad661> mizmo: from wiki history, I don't see any new submissions at all
19:24:31 <mizmo> so we need to advertise more
19:24:38 <mizmo> maybe on deviant art
19:24:46 <mizmo> maybe on flickr
19:24:54 <mizmo> is anyone interested in helping pcon with that?
19:26:13 <mizmo> hm okay
19:26:15 <kirkB> Sorry, can't commit any more time and don
19:26:46 <mizmo> well since you are here kirkb :)
19:26:51 <mizmo> #topic ABRT UI update
19:27:03 <mizmo> it looks like Jiri gave you some feedback on the ABRT usability assessment so far
19:27:16 <kirkB> Yes, and a follow up question
19:27:26 <mizmo> are things going well now? are the dves with the format?
19:27:31 <mizmo> s/dves/devs happy with
19:27:49 <kirkB> it looks like elad has also been providing specific recommendations, will try to sync up with his thoughts to include in the report where it makes sense
19:27:57 <elad661> It was long ago
19:28:01 <kirkB> It seems to be working, as rough as it is
19:28:27 <mizmo> oh i dont know if i mentioned this before to you kirkB, i did an assessment for it a long time ago, i dont know if any of it is still applicable, but let me get you the link just in case
19:28:40 <kirkB> that'd be great thanks
19:29:05 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/ABRT_UI
19:29:12 <mizmo> hehe you can see what it looked like before in the old screenshots
19:29:20 <mizmo> cool
19:29:25 <mizmo> tatica, still gone?
19:29:28 <pcon> mizmo: zorry, got pulled away.  We do not have any new submissions.  And any advertising would be good.  I plan on reaching out to a couple of other places this week.
19:29:36 <mizmo> pcon, sounds good!
19:29:54 <mizmo> #info supplemental wallpapers - no new submissions yet, we need to do more advertising
19:30:03 <mizmo> #info supplemental wallpapers - pcon will be reaching out to a couple of other places this week
19:30:09 <mizmo> i've done a couple of twitter/identi.ca spams on it
19:30:19 <mizmo> anything else on ABRT or we'll move on?
19:30:22 <mizmo> any questions / concerns?
19:30:39 <mizmo> okay we'll go to next topic
19:30:42 <mizmo> #topic Anaconda UX
19:30:43 <finalzone> lets move on
19:30:53 <mizmo> okay so with the anaconda ux,
19:31:02 <mizmo> i went through some IRC backlogs and updated our notes page on the wiki
19:31:12 <elad661> and you splitted the big svg to smaller ones
19:31:13 <mizmo> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Discussion
19:31:17 <elad661> one for each screen
19:31:34 <mizmo> yep i finished splitting the big SVG into one SVG per screen so we can follow changes via git better, and so it's easier to collaborate :)
19:31:41 <mizmo> lots of big working on the same SVG gets messy :)
19:31:46 <elad661> yeah
19:31:58 <mizmo> #link http://linuxgrrl.com/fedora-ux/Projects/Anaconda/Prototypes/Screens
19:32:07 <mizmo> we had some interesting ideas on macs vs linux vs windows
19:32:20 <mizmo> e.g., we can make BootCamp the supported path for installing Fedora on a Mac
19:32:25 <mizmo> and if the user didn't use bootcamp we can warn them
19:32:26 <mizmo> eg
19:32:33 <mizmo> http://linuxgrrl.com/fedora-ux/Projects/Anaconda/Prototypes/Screens/PNG/01-01-macusernotice.png
19:32:35 <elad661> (because we can't resize mac partitions)
19:32:45 <elad661> for windows, it's much more complicated
19:32:49 <mizmo> if they *do* use bootcamp, we can auto-detect the correct partition for mac users and make installs really simple
19:32:50 <mizmo> yeh
19:32:54 <mizmo> the windows case is - yucky :(
19:33:08 <elad661> we can resize, but if the file system is a bit dirty, it would fail
19:33:13 <mizmo> all of the details are here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Discussion#Better_Dual-Boot_Support
19:33:15 <finalzone> blame stupid microsoft deliberate intention to kill grub
19:33:16 <elad661> and destroy user data on the way
19:33:18 <mizmo> we want a cleaner dual-boot story here
19:33:30 <ixxvil> wow lot of logo requests
19:33:45 <mizmo> #info progress on dual-boot story for anaconda UX, especially macs
19:33:53 <mizmo> #info mockups split out into individual SVGs for better tracking/collaboration
19:34:13 <elad661> and we need a syslinux/grub2 theme
19:34:20 <elad661> it's semi related
19:34:23 <mizmo> elad661 also mentioned earlier - we need ideas for ransom notes in the installer
19:34:34 <elad661> I'll make a blog post tomorrow
19:34:41 <elad661> To help getting suggestions
19:34:41 <mizmo> elad661, yeh it should probably be the neutral / non-themed one we'll need to come up with forf 16
19:34:44 <mizmo> for f16 that is
19:35:01 <elad661> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Syslinux
19:35:04 <mizmo> #info for F16 we'll be doing a grub2 theme to match syslinux
19:35:07 <mizmo> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Syslinux
19:35:14 <mizmo> #info we still need installer 'ransom note' suggestions
19:35:26 * mizmo tries to think what else is new in anaconda land
19:35:36 <elad661> if you have any idea, feedback, comment, rant, whatever, please tell us!
19:35:42 <mizmo> yep
19:35:49 <mizmo> any questions, comments, concerns, secret ninja handshakes?
19:36:01 <finalzone> will ananconda support somekind of geo-tracking?
19:36:21 <elad661> finalzone: for finding the user timezone?
19:36:29 <elad661> We are still trying to figure that out
19:36:33 * twohot thinks secret ninja handshakes is good
19:36:35 <finalzone> yeah
19:36:38 <mizmo> finalzone, yeh thats still a question
19:36:46 <mizmo> #info still need to figure out location / geo-tracking story
19:36:51 <mizmo> right now we're piggy-backing off the way GNOME does it
19:36:55 <mizmo> in the mockkups
19:37:00 <elad661> maybe we could use the maxmind geoip database
19:37:06 <elad661> to find where the user is
19:37:12 <elad661> and give him the matching timezone
19:37:16 <mizmo> #info <elad661> maybe we could use the maxmind geoip database
19:37:34 <mizmo> okay any other anaconda questions / concerns?
19:38:00 <elad661> but it's a bit problematic for edge-cases such as these cities in the US that has different timezones without explanation
19:38:47 <elad661> next topic, I think
19:38:50 <mizmo> kk
19:38:56 <mizmo> it looks like tatica is still gone
19:39:01 <mizmo> our next topic was the wallpaper coloring
19:39:05 <mizmo> #topic Fedora 16 wallpaper coloring
19:39:08 <mizmo> so the current status
19:39:14 <mizmo> #info deadline for coloring is July 5th
19:39:17 <mizmo> we have a week o_O
19:39:23 <mizmo> there's three contenders for default wallpaper
19:39:26 <twohot> ouch
19:39:27 <mizmo> we have the floating island / castle
19:39:36 <mizmo> tatica has been working on coloring that, she posted her status to the team mailing list this morning
19:39:43 <mizmo> another is the nautilus with icebergs
19:39:46 <mizmo> i've been working on that,
19:39:48 <elad661> this awesome thing: http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/54
19:40:02 <mizmo> http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/54
19:40:09 <mizmo> ixxvil, you still around?
19:40:16 <ixxvil> yep
19:40:44 <elad661> mizmo: as I mentioned earlier, I think the submarine should be smaller and less detailed, kinda blurry
19:40:55 <elad661> so it would look like it's far from the viewer
19:41:20 <mizmo> ixxvil, if you have ideas for a more detailed sub shape i think it might be cool
19:41:22 <mizmo> i was looking at these
19:41:23 <mizmo> http://cristianci.deviantart.com/art/Submarine-110434465
19:41:33 <mizmo> http://andreewallin.deviantart.com/art/Submarine-79197554
19:41:34 <ixxvil> checking
19:41:47 <ixxvil> woahh thats futuristic
19:41:47 <mizmo> http://huihui1979.deviantart.com/art/China-s-submarine-119473648
19:41:52 <mizmo> something more futuristic maybe
19:41:53 <mizmo> yeh
19:41:55 <mizmo> i dont know
19:41:56 <mizmo> i liked those
19:42:05 <mizmo> elad661, yeh i kind of agree, it shouldnt take up quite so much screen space
19:42:14 <mizmo> i can scale it down and try that
19:42:19 <ixxvil> we're sticking to jules verne right
19:42:22 <mizmo> #action mizmo to scale down sub in http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/54
19:42:34 <mizmo> ixxvil, yeh but some of those are verne inspired i think
19:42:36 <elad661> I'd love to see this wallpaper without the submarine as a suplemental wallpaper
19:43:05 <ixxvil> mizmo: how do you want it drawn
19:43:15 <mizmo> ah this one is http://justinoaksford.deviantart.com/art/Nautilus-in-the-Antarctic-134788914
19:43:29 <mizmo> ixxvil, from the same angle as in http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/54
19:43:37 <mizmo> so we're looking at the sub from the bottom of the ocean, we're looking up at it
19:43:42 <mizmo> but maybe more detail than i have right there
19:43:50 <mizmo> i have windows and ripples and that's about it
19:43:56 <mizmo> it might be nice for it to have more features - but i'm not sure what
19:44:02 <mizmo> maybe more propellers?
19:44:03 <twohot> elad661, no submarine, no underwater travel, no verne link
19:44:15 <elad661> twohot: that's why I said suplemental
19:44:17 <ixxvil> yeah i could do that
19:44:19 <mizmo> ixxvil, i like the jet in this one http://andreewallin.deviantart.com/art/Submarine-79197554
19:44:24 <elad661> twohot: not default
19:44:32 <mizmo> so maybe some jets? with jets i can make a cool bubbling effect
19:44:34 <elad661> twohot: suplemental can be not related :)
19:44:41 <elad661> mizmo: jets++
19:44:42 <ixxvil> ok i can add more detail
19:44:45 <ixxvil> no biggie
19:44:53 <ixxvil> you want to change the shape of the sub?
19:45:13 <mizmo> ixxvil, i'll leave it up to you! i was thinking the oval shape is a bit plain, just looking for more excitement
19:45:23 <twohot> that was an omission elad661.  Thanks for the pointer
19:45:25 <ixxvil> ok
19:45:26 <mizmo> especially if we're scaling the sub down.... we want it to look different than a fish i think
19:45:33 <mizmo> it would be awesome if you could sketch something up for me ixxvil
19:45:35 <ixxvil> as far as the scaling goes
19:45:40 <ixxvil> i'd not make it any smaller if you ask me
19:45:43 <ixxvil> cause if you do
19:45:45 <mizmo> everything in the artwork is layered so i can swap in different things
19:45:56 <ixxvil> then its going to look like just another fish or some sea animal
19:46:06 <elad661> mizmo: I want the source, please :)
19:46:09 <ixxvil> as of now it looks perfect at that angle
19:46:11 <mizmo> well maybe if we do a drastically different shape, it won't look like a fish?
19:46:19 <mizmo> elad661, i can upload it now, one sec
19:46:22 <ixxvil> yeah i can change the shape and add a bit more detail
19:46:25 <elad661> thanks!
19:46:25 <mizmo> it's *.ora, it'll open in gimp but i use mypaint
19:46:33 <elad661> mypaint is awesome
19:46:38 <ixxvil> i'll work on it onight
19:46:40 <ixxvil> and upload one
19:46:46 <mizmo> ixxvil, awesome!!!!
19:46:51 <ixxvil> there's another thing though
19:46:53 <mizmo> the third wallpaper... is nautilus with jellyfish
19:47:07 <ixxvil> the angle at which the sub is sitting at is exactly 90 degrees up
19:47:10 <mizmo> but i dont know if anyone is actively working on it for coloring right now
19:48:05 <mizmo> ixxvil, we can change that slightly if it'd help
19:48:08 <ixxvil> so anything drawn like the one we have right now is going to look weird
19:48:13 <ixxvil> we;d have to tilt it a bit atleast
19:48:23 <ixxvil> i mentioned this to tat and haks originally
19:48:33 <ixxvil> yeah
19:48:39 <mizmo> ixxvil, let's do it, if you think tilting it slightly would make it better go for it in your sketch
19:48:41 <ixxvil> maybe tilt it a bit
19:48:59 <mizmo> elad661, it's ~32mb, uploading now
19:49:04 <mizmo> besides this topic
19:49:09 <mizmo> we just have open floor
19:49:10 <ixxvil> ok
19:49:13 <mizmo> so i'll go ahead and move to open floor
19:49:19 <mizmo> but we can talk about whatever, we can keep talking art
19:49:21 <ixxvil> anyone will be doing th jellyifsh one? tat said she's going to work on it right
19:49:22 <mizmo> #topic open floor
19:49:26 <ixxvil> oh ok
19:49:33 <elad661> mizmo: please email me the link when your'e done
19:49:44 <elad661> well, I have something for open floor
19:49:56 <elad661> gnokii mentioned a unicorn creator erailer
19:50:05 <elad661> and said he wants a panda creator
19:50:13 <elad661> I want to implement one in HTML5
19:50:14 <gnokii> elad661: that was fun
19:50:25 <elad661> I'd need some artwork for this
19:51:05 <mizmo> elad661, these are Emichan's pandas http://emichan.fedorapeople.org/pandas/
19:51:10 <mizmo> i think the SVG has all the parts
19:51:17 <elad661> mizmo: thanks!
19:51:40 <Emichan> elad661, they're designed to be modular, so they should work out for a creator app
19:52:12 <elad661> another thing, is it possible to have the team meeting a bit sooner next time?
19:52:15 <mizmo> elad661, http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f16/iceberg6.ora  (i uploaded this URL to the artboard image itself as well, in the 'source' field)
19:52:30 <mizmo> i'm okay with moving it an hour earlier
19:52:38 <mizmo> but maybe we better bring it up on the list and see when people can meet
19:52:42 <elad661> ok
19:52:49 * twohot wonders what a .ora file is
19:52:55 <elad661> we can use http://whenisgood.net/
19:52:56 <mizmo> #action discuss moving meeting time an hour back on mailing list
19:53:16 <mizmo> twohot, it's "Open RAster" format... it's used by MyPaint and Gimp can open it too
19:53:19 <mizmo> it's just a layered bitmap format
19:53:33 <twohot> ok
19:53:34 <mizmo> elad661, do you have time to create a whenisgood.net link now and send to the list?
19:53:45 <elad661> sorry, I don't
19:53:49 <mizmo> it's all good
19:53:59 <elad661> it's really late here, see you all later!
19:54:01 <elad661> bye
19:54:13 <twohot> mizmo, your call
19:54:25 <ixxvil> mizmo: when you're done i'd like some help with the ticketing stuff, thanks
19:56:25 <mizmo> http://whenisgood.net/fedoradesignteam
19:57:28 <twohot> thanks as always mo ...when I grow up I'll be like you :D
19:58:19 <mizmo> lol
19:58:29 <mizmo> okay it looks like we're finished then
19:58:32 <mizmo> so i'm going to end the meeting
19:58:35 <mizmo> any last thoughts?
19:58:38 <mizmo> 3....
19:58:40 <mizmo> 2.....
19:58:42 <mizmo> 1......
19:58:44 <mizmo> BLASTOFF
19:58:45 <mizmo> #endmeeting