19:02:02 <mizmo> #startmeeting
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19:02:19 <mizmo> hm msourada isn't here
19:02:24 <mizmo> iwanted to talk about the F15 schedule
19:02:45 <mizmo> #topic Fedora15
19:02:55 <mizmo> #info the  Fedora 15 codename is Lovelock
19:03:06 <mizmo> does anybody have ideas for artwork based on lovelock?
19:03:11 <mizmo> i love the little lock icon you did nicubunu :)
19:03:22 <nicubunu> that was just a joke
19:03:32 <nicubunu> i don't think we want a theme  like it
19:03:52 <Schendje> enlarge it -> wallpaper done!
19:03:52 <mizmo> hehe yeh but its cute!!!
19:03:54 <Schendje> ;)
19:04:34 <mizmo> it's a weird idea, but one visual i had was two pieces of land in the water, a misty horizon, and the land reaching out to one another
19:04:47 <mizmo> like two archipelagos
19:04:50 <nicubunu> we can use the lock metaphor in the alpha banner or release counter, as we will unlock the release
19:05:03 <mizmo> oh thats an awesome idea
19:05:12 <mizmo> #info we can use the lock metaphor in the alpha banner or release counter, as we will unlock the release (nicubunu)
19:05:35 <mizmo> im trying to think of other themeable spins on the idea
19:05:42 <nicubunu> tell more about the archipelagos
19:05:47 <Schendje> nicubunu: +1
19:05:52 <Schendje> i'm not sure i get it :)
19:06:22 <mizmo> let me see if i can find my sketch pen
19:06:33 <mizmo> got it, sketch incoming
19:06:42 <mizmo> i got the idea beacuse lovelock nv is named after a river valley
19:06:48 <mizmo> so i thought about water & land
19:06:52 * mizmo sketches
19:07:12 <Schendje> lovelock the scientist is apparently known for the gaia hypothesis, that's also interesting
19:07:14 * nicubunu is already dreaming of some fantasy land
19:13:15 <mizmo> okay this is a terrible, horrible sketch but hopefully shows the idea...
19:13:19 * mizmo uploads
19:14:07 <mizmo> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/lovelocked-land.png
19:14:21 <mizmo> it's two bodies of land kind of reaching for each other... they are like islands?
19:15:07 <Schendje> looks cool
19:15:14 <Schendje> a bit like the nokia logo?
19:15:17 * Schendje looks it up
19:15:34 <Schendje> (not saying "IT CANT BE LIKE THAT", more "is that the idea?"
19:15:35 <mizmo> oh yeah the two hands
19:15:36 <mizmo> lol
19:15:46 * mizmo hears the little n800 boot up noise in her head
19:15:51 <nicubunu> 1. what's the metaphor? and 2. isn't a bit too realistic for our tradition? (remember when we tried a Greece landscape)
19:15:55 <mizmo> http://www.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/Nokia-Logo.jpg
19:15:56 <Schendje> oh those are actual photos of hands
19:16:02 <Schendje> i thought they were drawn?
19:16:05 <Schendje> guess not
19:16:29 <mizmo> nicubunu, well the metaphor is weird
19:16:33 <nicubunu> Schendje: on older phones the hands look like drawn
19:16:40 <Schendje> yeah nicu's #2 also popped into my head, for the rest i like it
19:16:44 <Schendje> nicubunu: oh that must be it then :)
19:16:57 <mizmo> the land is representing reaching for love, but being locked so you can't reach it lol
19:17:03 <mizmo> #2 absolutely worries me
19:17:17 <mizmo> but, i think theresa lot more high-quality CC photography these days
19:17:33 <mizmo> and it's a bit more common a subject - land & water- it's not particular to greece
19:18:00 <nicubunu> the problem then was the photomanip looked very fake
19:18:22 <nicubunu> and if we go for realism we may end there again
19:18:35 <nicubunu> maybe make the islands very abstract?
19:18:48 <mizmo> it could absolutely be abstract
19:19:02 <mizmo> maybe a watercolor style
19:19:33 <mizmo> it seems to relate well to lovelock nv, this is the area its in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Humboldt_River_Basin
19:19:41 <mizmo> there's a lot of lakes and islands
19:19:57 <mizmo> one thing though is the 'reaching for love but not getting it' is kind of a depressing topic
19:20:40 <nicubunu> so what is depressing?
19:20:40 <mizmo> but maybe it could be spun to be hopeful
19:20:59 <mizmo> if youwant something but you can'tget it<= depressingi think
19:21:02 <nicubunu> it may resonate with the geeks :D
19:21:05 * mizmo notes her keyboard is broken
19:21:12 <fabsh> hi! just made it home...
19:21:15 <mizmo> spacebar is very intermittent
19:21:21 <mizmo> hey fabsh wewerejust talkingabout the f15 artwork
19:21:26 <mizmo> nicubunu, lol very true
19:21:27 <Schendje> mizmo: it can also be a goodbye :(
19:21:29 <fabsh> ah cool
19:21:37 * Schendje start crying
19:21:39 <fabsh> what's happening?
19:21:43 <mizmo> lol
19:21:47 <fabsh> lol
19:21:55 <Schendje> not because of you, fabsh, haha :D
19:22:01 <mizmo> anything with nature isagood theme though bceause of the time-of-day color changes are more natural
19:22:18 <mizmo> fabsh, well i did this sketch for 'lovelock' http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/lovelocked-land.png
19:22:29 <mizmo> fabsh, lovelock nevada is in a valley with a lot of lakes and islands
19:22:43 <fabsh> nice
19:22:45 <mizmo> so we have two bodies of land reaching out (for 'love') Across the water to each other
19:22:49 <fabsh> mypaint :)
19:22:54 <mizmo> but its a little depressing cuz they a locked and cannot reach
19:22:57 <mizmo> you got it :)
19:23:08 <mizmo> s/a/are
19:23:27 <fabsh> i'd love to have a go for a wallpaper this time...
19:23:42 <mizmo> do you have any ideas?
19:23:56 <fabsh> not yet. but I've started thinking about it....
19:24:07 <Schendje> lovelock could definitely be something with a hug, or embrace
19:24:07 <fabsh> are we going for abstract again?
19:24:31 <mizmo> abstract is usually good but we could try something more illustrative maybe
19:24:37 <mizmo> Concepts submission deadline — Tue 18 January 2011, 18:00 UTC   <= this is on the schedule martin proposed
19:24:47 <fabsh> ok, sounds cool
19:24:50 <mizmo> so there's a lot of time ( although it's all across holidays so it's a bit less time than it seems)
19:25:03 <fabsh> will give it a shot now that i have a bamboo and can play as well :)
19:25:39 <mizmo> okay awesome:)
19:25:45 <mizmo> maybe this timeweshould schedule some sketchingsessions
19:26:00 <fabsh> oh good idea!
19:26:00 <mizmo> people can gather in IRC while they work on their designs and give each other feedback
19:26:11 <fabsh> +1 on that
19:26:48 <mizmo> #info we'll schedule some sketching sessions for folks to work on their F15 concept sketches
19:26:53 <Schendje> that sounds great :)
19:27:14 <mizmo> #info abstract wallpapers are probably the easiest to use, but if theres a strong concept we can consider more illustrative ideas
19:27:16 <fabsh> fun!
19:27:18 <mizmo> okay a related topic
19:27:24 <mizmo> #topic F15 schedule
19:27:38 <mizmo> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_Artwork/Schedule
19:27:42 <mizmo> does anyone see any issues there?
19:28:24 <mizmo> i think we should approve it if there's not issues
19:28:36 <mizmo> i like how martin moved many of the key dates to tuesday so we can have discussion during our meetings
19:28:37 <nicubunu> i have no objection
19:28:42 <fabsh> no issues
19:28:45 <Schendje> not me
19:28:47 <mizmo> kk yay
19:28:51 <mizmo> #info schedule approved
19:29:02 <mizmo> okay the next topic...
19:29:07 <mizmo> #topic FUDcon tempe shirt - how are we doing?
19:29:24 <Schendje> ok so
19:29:32 <Schendje> daniel, are you here btw?
19:29:36 <nicubunu> actually from what i saw i like the most Schendje's modification
19:29:38 <Schendje> he submitted another mockup
19:29:45 <Schendje> wait, i'll get the link
19:30:19 <Schendje> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-November/003645.html
19:30:26 <Schendje> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-November/003645.html
19:30:33 <Schendje> (can i do commands?
19:30:53 <mizmo> im not sure
19:30:55 <mizmo> #chair schendje
19:30:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: mizmo schendje
19:30:59 <mizmo> now you can lol
19:31:08 <mizmo> #chair nicubunu fabsh
19:31:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: fabsh mizmo nicubunu schendje
19:31:16 <mizmo> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-November/003645.html
19:31:20 <fabsh> lol
19:31:29 <mizmo> im worried that this design doesn't seem to have much of a concept beyond, 'stuff about arizona'
19:31:32 <fabsh> what does that do? what's a chair? :)
19:31:54 <mizmo> fabsh, it only means youcan give the meeting bot commands, sadly. you can throw chairs aronud whether ornot you are an official chair
19:31:58 <nicubunu> fabsh: something you sit on =))
19:31:59 * sijis thinks folks can do #link
19:32:08 <fabsh> nicubunu: funnyboy ;)
19:32:22 * fabsh throws a chair
19:32:26 <mizmo> don't sit on me! my nooossseee
19:32:33 <Schendje> ok sorry, i'm back
19:32:34 <fabsh> developers developers developers
19:32:36 <Schendje> guys, calm down! :O
19:32:38 <Schendje> :D
19:32:42 <Schendje> #link http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/fudcontempe2%282%29.svg
19:32:46 <Schendje> is daniel's mockup
19:32:47 * mizmo hands fabsh some deodorant to avoid the ballmer pits
19:32:55 <Schendje> #link http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/fudcontempe2.svg
19:32:56 <fabsh> lol :D
19:33:02 <Schendje> is my adaptation
19:33:24 <fabsh> i like the vista
19:33:26 <mizmo> the adaptation is visually stronger, but it's still 'stuff about arizona'
19:33:27 <fabsh> nice :)
19:33:29 <sijis> Schendje: thats w/a black shirt, right?
19:33:31 <Schendje> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/attachments/20101115/b26a6d6d/attachment-0001.png
19:33:33 <Schendje> sijis: yes
19:33:36 <mizmo> the fedora logoiskind of just floating there
19:33:52 <Schendje> that last one is clint savage's submission
19:33:58 <Schendje> mizmo: agreed
19:34:03 <sijis> whay if the F logo is like the moon>
19:34:06 <nicubunu> how about making the sun in Schendje's adaptation into the fedora bubble?
19:34:10 <Schendje> mizmo: i'm not sure what to do with that
19:34:14 <Schendje> because of the logo guidelines
19:34:20 <Schendje> we need space around it, can't adapt it of course, etc
19:34:23 <mizmo> did Daniel propose a concept statement anywhere?
19:34:33 <nicubunu> mizmo: no
19:34:44 <Schendje> mizmo: no afraid not
19:34:46 <mizmo> i think having a concept in mind before mocking stuff up would make the submissions stronger
19:35:02 <mizmo> i kind of thought that was in the writeup for the task as well :-/
19:35:03 <nicubunu> Daniel is in the dark, waiting for a metaphor suggestion, i think
19:35:11 <mizmo> we gave him one i thought
19:35:22 <mizmo> i remember getting robyn's approval for one we came upwith during a meeting
19:35:27 <Schendje> yeah
19:35:29 <Schendje> the oasis?
19:35:40 <mizmo> yeh
19:35:41 <Schendje> how do you want to do that with the logo though?
19:35:53 <mizmo> ‣ Schendje will ask Daniel to brainstorm 2-3 concepts, no sketches or
19:35:53 <mizmo> only rough sketches if any, no formal artwork.
19:36:02 <mizmo> ‣ Ask Daniel to run concepts by the team before doing another iteration
19:36:15 <nicubunu> oasis = source of life and hope in the middle of the desert = fedora
19:36:34 <Schendje> nicubunu: oh yeah i see how, but am worried about messing with the logo
19:37:05 <mizmo> so i think it would be good to ask daniel to submit text-only ideas before submitting another design
19:37:09 <mizmo> or is this putting too much work on him?
19:37:25 <Schendje> hmm
19:37:32 <nicubunu> let's do the brainstorming together with him on list
19:37:56 <Schendje> nicubunu: that sounds good actually
19:37:58 <mizmo> the issue, conceptually, with the current mockup
19:38:10 <mizmo> is that it looks like a sunset, but we don't want fedora to sunset, cuz that kind of implies it's ending
19:38:28 <mizmo> the oasis idea i think has a bit more positive connotation
19:39:04 <Schendje> hmm i didn't look at it like that at all tbh
19:39:28 <nicubunu> can't we have a nice and friendly drawing with the oasis, no fedora logo in it, just a place where friends meet?
19:39:41 <mizmo> the tricky thing about symbolism is that it's cultural and different people read different meanings
19:39:49 <Schendje> nicubunu: yes maybe it's better to just leave the logo out?
19:39:52 <mizmo> nicubunu+
19:39:53 <mizmo> well
19:39:58 <mizmo> one complaint we've gotten about fudcon shirts though
19:40:04 <mizmo> is that they have the fudcon logo, but not the fedora logo
19:40:10 <nicubunu> we will have the fudcon logo anyway, and the fedora logo on the back
19:40:14 <mizmo> and for some contributors, they are the only fedora-related t-shirts they have
19:40:15 <Schendje> well yeah but we can have it anywhere
19:40:22 <Schendje> doesn't have to be in the actual illustration
19:40:27 <mizmo> true
19:40:44 <nicubunu> the zurich design has fudcon on the front and fedora on the back
19:42:06 <mizmo> okay so that's one idea, include the fudcon tempe logo, the fedora logo, and an oasis illustration separately
19:42:06 <Schendje> i was thinking we could do a silhouette maybe...
19:42:12 <Schendje> leave the cacti out because they're a bit too much
19:42:30 <Schendje> it would look a lot like the ubuntu uds shirts
19:42:30 <mizmo> i vaguely remember robyn specifically requesting no cacti i think
19:42:41 <mizmo> what do uds shirts look like
19:42:43 <Schendje> not that that's bad, just for info
19:42:48 * Schendje fetches link
19:43:16 <Schendje> for uds meerkat: http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/shirt.png
19:43:17 <mizmo> hey msourada, we approved the f15 schedule, you did a great job with it
19:43:42 <mizmo> ah something like that but with the mountains, Schendje?
19:43:48 <Schendje> yes
19:43:49 <msourada> mizmo: hi! Cool. Sorry I wasn't on the meeting, I just returned from aikido practice.
19:44:02 <mizmo> msourada, it's all good you left great notes to go by
19:44:29 <mizmo> could we do somtehing interesting with the shape in the back rather than a circle?
19:44:41 <Schendje> mizmo: possible, yes
19:44:48 <Schendje> darnit, i can't find the UDS Natty shirt
19:44:51 <Schendje> but it was similar
19:44:57 <Schendje> only with a narwhal tail silhouette
19:45:07 <Schendje> quite nice imo
19:45:29 <nicubunu> i don't know the desert, does it have interestingly shaped clouds? or only clear sky?
19:45:50 <mizmo> what if we put silhouettes in the fudcon logomark
19:46:04 <mizmo> nicubunu, usually slim & very wide, low-hanging clouds
19:46:30 <nicubunu> silhouettes of what?
19:47:46 <mizmo> maybe the mountains & a wolf?
19:48:08 <fabsh> nicubunu needs to watch more westerns :D
19:48:18 <nicubunu> we are allowed to modify the fudcon logo like that?
19:48:40 * nicubunu is not a big fan of westerns
19:48:49 <mizmo> well
19:48:55 <mizmo> if its done well maybe we can :)
19:48:57 <fabsh> nicubunu: :(
19:49:02 <mizmo> but it has to look great
19:49:43 <ianweller> the fudcon logo is not as protected as the fedora logo in what we require of it
19:50:09 <Schendje> mizmo: yes i thought of that too
19:50:09 <Schendje> might be a good idea
19:50:09 <Schendje> how does everyone feel about the mountains?
19:50:09 <Schendje> it's obviously arizona
19:50:10 <Schendje> but maybe a bit of a cliche
19:50:11 <Schendje> they make sense as a "monument" kind of thing though
19:50:11 <Schendje> landmark, i mean
19:50:12 <mizmo> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/09/500x_21j3lmv.jpg chocobo!
19:50:15 <Schendje> sorry that i keep dropping out :(
19:50:15 <Schendje> can someone fpaste last minute for me?
19:50:27 <ianweller> as far as i'm concerned, as far as people are OK with the way it's being portrayed, it's not a huge problem
19:51:24 <mizmo> well nicubunu had the one point that it's nice to have a design that can be reused throughout the year
19:51:40 <fabsh> Schendje: http://fpaste.org/QOFH/
19:51:49 <Schendje> thanks fabsh
19:51:54 <nicubunu> so we can have the fudcon logo with silhouettes specific to the particular location?
19:53:00 <mizmo> that could work maybe
19:53:44 <mizmo> it's not a super strongconceptthough
19:53:52 <nicubunu> or we can reuse only the style, not necessarily the design
19:53:53 <mizmo> it'slike, 'look atthe fudcon souvenir shop'
19:54:25 <mizmo> i think we should make an effort to produce more street-wearable t-shirts
19:54:33 <fabsh> +1
19:54:34 <mizmo> like threadless designs
19:55:01 <mizmo> a desert scene, just a pretty illustration, might be okay, but it can't look like clipart
19:55:09 <mizmo> am i being too picky?
19:55:19 <nicubunu> nope
19:55:52 <fabsh> picky is good
19:58:07 <fabsh> damn it!
19:58:23 <fabsh> i forgot to do a sketch for the rpg badge... :/
19:58:46 <Schendje> hmm this topic swallowed the meeting
19:58:52 <Schendje> mizmo: shall we move on?
19:58:53 <fabsh> lol
19:58:55 <mizmo> yeh
19:59:16 <mizmo> except
19:59:26 <mizmo> can someone commit to sending an email to Daniel on the list with what we discussed?
19:59:36 <mizmo> positive / uplifting / helpful is the tone we want :)
19:59:45 <mizmo> i could see how this could be quite discouraging for him and im worried
19:59:50 <nicubunu> Schendje is his mentor on this task
20:00:01 <Schendje> nicubunu's right, i should do that :)
20:00:09 <mizmo> kk
20:00:17 <Schendje> mizmo: yeah we're being very picky ;)
20:00:28 <mizmo> but i mean
20:00:32 <mizmo> we want a nice t shirt
20:00:35 <Schendje> oh of course!
20:00:39 <mizmo> +1
20:00:42 <Schendje> it's the fudcon t-shirt
20:00:46 <Schendje> it *should* be very good
20:00:53 <mizmo> #topic install user experience
20:01:01 <mizmo> so this is what i've been mostly owrking on the past week
20:01:12 <mizmo> the main wiki is here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign
20:01:27 <mizmo> i started a convo with the installer guys on it on their mailing list, anaconda-devel https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2010-November/msg00130.html
20:01:36 * nicubunu won't go to tempe, so if the t-shirt is ugly, he will not have to wear it
20:01:45 <Schendje> nicubunu: lol :D
20:02:10 <mizmo> what i've been mostly doing
20:02:16 <mizmo> is asking the installer team *tons* of questions
20:02:17 <mizmo> and documenting them
20:02:29 <mizmo> i also did a few install run-throughs and documented those, with finalzone's help
20:02:33 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Current_Install_Process_Analysis
20:02:41 <mizmo> i found out a few things talking to the installer guys
20:02:50 <mizmo> - we may be able to change the font in syslinux (and potentially grub)
20:03:02 <fabsh> yay!
20:03:12 <mizmo> there's a format we have to convert the fonts too, but i found a program that will run the conversion, and pjones on the installer team is willing to test fonts out for us
20:03:28 <mizmo> it's not going to be pretty -- i think syslinux is 640x480 blown up and stretched out on widescreen monitors
20:03:35 <mizmo> it'll be like this (one sec whilei get the URL)
20:03:44 <Schendje> that's not ugly, that's retro ;)
20:04:19 <fabsh> we need a new boot thingy
20:04:24 <fabsh> linux sucks
20:04:26 <mizmo> well this is opensuse's http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt321/Blue_Life/SUSE_LINUX-2.png
20:04:26 <Schendje> a new boot thingy?
20:04:26 <fabsh> uggh.....
20:04:28 <fabsh> ;)
20:04:45 <fabsh> yeah, you know...... thingy splash booty
20:04:56 <mizmo> this is ubuntu's http://static.howtoforge.com/images/usb_startup_disk_ubuntu_8.10/big/7b.png
20:05:00 <fabsh> Kurulumu? Oo
20:05:08 <mizmo> you can see, ubuntu switched the font out, to one that is more of a pixel-based font so it looks crisp & clean
20:05:28 <fabsh> ubuntu's is stylish. but their logo and font sucks... ;)
20:05:35 <Schendje> isn't that the old one?
20:05:50 <mizmo> it may be old, but it demonstrates switching out the font
20:05:58 <fabsh> yeah. the old logo sucked, now the font sucks... lol
20:06:27 <fabsh> can we have pandas on skateboards ala android?
20:06:28 <mizmo> i guess for a while they were carrying some unapproved-by-upstream patches to make that happen
20:06:34 <mizmo> but now upstream might be okay with it
20:07:13 <mizmo> well
20:07:33 <mizmo> when we're in syslinux we're in a degraded mode that only has access to 'truecolor' which is a very limited palette, and only 640x480 pixels
20:07:53 <mizmo> the main reason we need syslinux though, is to let people access diagnostic/troubleshooting tools when an install goes wrong
20:07:58 <fabsh> 16 colour pandas? :P
20:08:00 <mizmo> so one of the proposals i put together, has a timeout
20:08:11 <mizmo> so if you dont hit anything on the keyboard you'll be skipped right past syslinux
20:08:13 <mizmo> let me grab the mockup
20:08:30 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/8/8a/Installux-syslinux-prop1-interrupt-nointerrupt_animated.gif
20:09:15 <Schendje> so when that's done counting, where does it go?
20:09:18 <mizmo> then this is what it would look like if you interrupt https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/5/5e/Installux-syslinux-prop1-interrupt_animated.gif
20:09:31 <mizmo> Schendje, if you've got a live usb stick, it will go to plymouth. if you're in a dvd, it'll load anaconda
20:09:44 <Schendje> cool :)
20:09:55 <Schendje> i think it's a pretty good solution
20:10:27 <mizmo> unfortunately im not 100% sure syslinux will let us lay it out like that by default :( but the installer team is willing to try it
20:10:29 <fabsh> nice
20:10:34 <fabsh> looks fab
20:10:56 <mizmo> fabsh, lol coming from you thats a big compliment ;-)
20:11:00 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Whiteboards  i set up a whiteboard page on the wiki
20:11:04 <mizmo> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Whiteboards  <= whiteboards for anaconda
20:11:09 <fabsh> mizmo: :D
20:11:13 <mizmo> so if you have any ideas or mockups or sketches feel free to upload 'em there
20:11:36 <mizmo> okay it seems we've run over a bit
20:11:47 <mizmo> the other topic was the RPG
20:11:51 <mizmo> i haven't had any time to work on it
20:12:01 <mizmo> but im going to carve out thursday to put together some mockups
20:12:04 <mizmo> of the little widget
20:12:19 <fabsh> i'll try as well
20:12:25 <fabsh> totally forgot, sorry
20:12:36 <fabsh> been really busy with acting rehearsals and such lately
20:12:57 <nicubunu> i think nobody worked on the game in the last week
20:13:20 <mizmo> i feel like this is the first week i've been able to get things done
20:13:34 <mizmo> i had one week where i was at multipledifferent conferences
20:15:23 <fabsh> ok, gotta run
20:15:35 <fabsh> i need to relax, my brain is falling apart
20:16:20 <mizmo> yeh
20:16:22 <mizmo> time to scoot
20:16:27 <mizmo> #endmeeting