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19:00:53 <mizmo> http://stg.fedoraproject.org/  <= full-width banner!
19:01:03 <mizmo> (when that updates in an hour it'll look a lot better, the artwork will extend out)
19:01:07 <Schendje> evening all :)
19:01:08 <mizmo> the new website is going live tomorrow morning
19:01:16 <Schendje> tomorrow morning?!
19:01:17 <tw2113> ooh
19:01:23 <mizmo> yeh
19:01:25 <nicubunu> i was talking earlier today with tatica, she could not attend but is sending kisses to everyone
19:01:38 * Schendje blushes
19:02:02 <tw2113> oh that maria
19:02:06 <mizmo> oh i forgot two items on the agenda too
19:02:11 <mizmo> so i wanted to say them now -
19:02:21 <mizmo> #1 ticket 15 for the lekhonee logo
19:03:03 <mizmo> #2 ticket 101 for system-config-kickstart icon
19:03:22 <WaspStung> ok
19:03:25 <mizmo> dottedfish_, did you pick up a ticket last week or are you waiting before you dive in?
19:03:31 * mizmo doesn't remember
19:04:30 <mizmo> well
19:04:37 <mizmo> let's start with the agenda on the list first
19:04:42 <mizmo> #topic next design bounty
19:04:54 <mizmo> okay so the next design team bounty is going to be the fudcon shirt design for fudcon tempe
19:05:01 <mizmo> rbergeron filed a ticket for it in our trac
19:05:06 <mizmo> i was hoping to have it posted by yesteday
19:05:16 <mizmo> but the new www.fpo has me busier than i thought at this point
19:05:25 <mizmo> so i was wondering if anybody else wanted to post the next design team bounty post
19:05:36 <mizmo> maybe we should set up a group blog on blogs.fedoraproject.org  to post them on?
19:05:40 <mizmo> then we're not all stuck on my laziness
19:05:44 <mizmo> what do you think?
19:05:51 <mizmo> if not, i can post it probably this friday or next mon
19:05:53 <Schendje> i could do it
19:05:58 <mizmo> Schendje, that would be awesome
19:05:58 <Schendje> i'd be happy to :)
19:06:08 <mizmo> Schendje, i can send you the source SVG gfx for the ninjas and whatnot
19:06:09 <Schendje> just send me a mail with all the stuff and i'll get it done
19:06:13 <Schendje> yep
19:06:14 <mizmo> okie doke
19:06:31 <mizmo> what do you think about setting up a team blog to post htem in?
19:06:39 <mizmo> since they are all in my blog right now, we can point at one URL they all live at,
19:06:39 <Schendje> hmmm
19:06:42 <mizmo> but if we post across different blogs
19:06:51 <mizmo> they are gonna be scattered unless we manually compile them
19:06:51 <nicubunu> can we technically have a group blog? other way than sharing the password?
19:06:56 <mizmo> nicubunu, yep we can
19:07:01 <Schendje> hmm im not sure
19:07:04 <mizmo> nicubunu, fedora-infra can add our fas names all into one blog if we want
19:07:06 <Schendje> we already have the Design Planet
19:07:14 <mizmo> Schendje, yeh but that doesn't store them in one site
19:07:24 <Schendje> mizmo: do you think a wiki page is too lazy/clumsy?
19:07:31 <mizmo> i would want to be able to point to this : http://mairin.wordpress.com/category/fedora-design-bounty/
19:07:31 <Schendje> do you think we'll have more than one running at the same time?
19:07:55 <mizmo> Schendje, i think a wiki is too clunky - the advantage to having a url like http://mairin.wordpress.com/category/fedora-design-bounty/ is that with one RSS feed you have all the posts, so systems like openhatch could eventually syndicate them
19:07:55 <nicubunu> the bounties on mizmo's blog were popular for coming from her, she is notorious
19:08:04 <mizmo> they don't want to syndicate all the planet fedora design posts i think
19:08:17 <Schendje> nicubunu: agreed, i'll need some retweets to reach people :)
19:08:18 <mizmo> more than one at a time - i'm not sure. if we had enough people to run them i don't see why not
19:08:22 <mizmo> they are definitely time-intensive to run
19:08:33 <mizmo> nicubunu, i think we all need to be equally notorious though :)
19:08:42 <Schendje> mizmo: yeah never mind that :)
19:08:51 <nicubunu> this won't happen
19:08:53 <Schendje> (the running at the same time thing)
19:09:57 <Schendje> i may not reach many people but if i dont write these posts i never will :D
19:10:01 <mizmo> Schendje, would you be willing to mail blogadmin@fedoraproject.org to set up a group blog for all the design-team FAS members?
19:10:11 <mizmo> and maybe post it there?
19:10:22 <Emichan> +1 group blog
19:10:27 <Schendje> can they set it up that fast?
19:10:31 <mizmo> yeh they can
19:10:40 <mizmo> you could probalby pop into fedora-admin and have it set up now
19:10:57 <mizmo> right now they don't do it by fas group, they do it by individual names, but just tell them to add all members in the design-team group
19:11:07 <nicubunu> so we can use that for cases like the release poster, when i posted on Emichan's behalf
19:11:19 <mizmo> nicubunu, yeh i think that's a great idea
19:12:01 <mizmo> i mean i think if it's a regular blog post, like the bounties, it should probably definitely go in the group blog
19:12:11 <mizmo> but if it's a one-off, it's up to you if you want to use your personal blog or the group blog
19:12:22 <mizmo> i hope that if we can maintain high quality content in the group blog hten we'll get it syndicated widely
19:12:30 <mizmo> get it added to graphics planet,for example
19:12:39 <mizmo> okay so let me see what the next topic is
19:12:55 <mizmo> #topic brand book ninja
19:13:01 <mizmo> so ian posted a mail to the list yesterday
19:13:06 <mizmo> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-October/003558.html
19:13:16 <mizmo> he's looking for someone to take over the fedora brand book and finalize the latest draft
19:13:27 <mizmo> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Brand_guidelines_%28draft%29
19:13:46 <mizmo> this is something i'd rather us not offer up for a bounty, i think it's an ongoing effort which makes it a bit complicated to have a bounty for (not a clean limited scope)
19:13:50 <nicubunu> this one is more than a regular ninja bounty, not fit for a newbie
19:13:54 <mizmo> exactly
19:14:06 <mizmo> is anybody interested in becoming the fedora brand book ninja / czar?
19:14:09 <Emichan> what exactly needs to be done on this?
19:14:19 * Schendje would if he wasnt busy with other stuff :(
19:14:23 <mizmo> "What I need is someone to step up and help complete the work on the
19:14:24 <mizmo> brand guidelines draft page to a point where we can get an OK from the
19:14:24 <mizmo> board and Legal, as well as help draft up changes to the trademark
19:14:24 <mizmo> guidelines page[2] as necessary. Most of the work on the SVGs themselves
19:14:24 <mizmo> has already been done, so it's just a matter of translating those
19:14:24 <mizmo> guidelines into words.
19:14:26 <mizmo> "
19:14:47 <mizmo> ianweller, are you around?
19:15:05 <nicubunu> write branding stuff in a language that will make legal happy
19:15:14 <mizmo> Emichan, it seems mostly, it's coding into words some of the changes we've made, then sending to the board and legal@fpo for approval
19:15:17 <nicubunu> is a bit scary
19:15:31 <mizmo> nicubunu, if you consider fedora legal = spot, it's not that scary :) he is very nice
19:15:46 <nicubunu> it looks like you have to know "the language"
19:15:55 <nicubunu> spot + fontana?
19:15:57 <mizmo> i think he can suggest rewordings as needed though
19:15:58 <mizmo> yeh
19:16:07 <mizmo> i think spot maintains the queue
19:16:18 <mizmo> im not sure if fontana is involved
19:16:47 <mizmo> Emichan, do you think its something you might be interested in?
19:16:56 <Emichan> I'd be willing to step up, but i'd like to know a bit more about what exactly needs to be done
19:17:14 <mizmo> Emichan, ooh awesome! maybe we can try to flag down ianweller so you can answer his questions , if not this meeting maybe next
19:17:17 <Emichan> I've written contracts before so i can wrangle up some legalese if needs be
19:17:19 <mizmo> Emichan, he did write up an email with a bit of a summary
19:17:19 <nicubunu> Emichan: ianweller should provide guidance
19:17:31 <mizmo> the email is here http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-October/003558.html
19:18:20 <Emichan> yeh, i saw the email but it's just a bit vague
19:18:43 <Emichan> it basically says the guidelines need to be completed, but i don't have a clear idea what's left to do...
19:19:19 <mizmo> fair enough
19:19:33 <Emichan> well, I can jump in as long as I can get ianweller to walk me through what's been done and what needs to be done :)
19:19:34 <ianweller> oops
19:19:35 <mizmo> #action get more details on brand book czar/ninjaing from ianweller for Emichan
19:19:38 <ianweller> hi all :)
19:19:39 <mizmo> oh there you are lol
19:19:45 <ianweller> i got distracted
19:20:30 <tw2113> need me to pin ianweller down?
19:20:31 <ianweller> Emichan: so the guidelines draft needs to be completed, and i think all the images on that page need reuploaded
19:20:37 <ianweller> tw2113: no :(
19:20:57 <tw2113> *kicks dirt*
19:21:00 <ianweller> Emichan: and then there also needs to be info on the font, and also on clearspace use. that's not on there as far as i remember
19:21:16 <Emichan> ianweller, is that going to be taken from the current guidelines?
19:21:27 <ianweller> Emichan: clearspace is actually the boundary in the SVGs, which i can email you
19:21:36 <ianweller> we doubled the required clearspace
19:22:04 <ianweller> Emichan: the other part is that there needs to be information on use for everything that isn't the fedora logo (foundations, fudcon, etc) in the trademark guidelines. we just need to draft up additions and present them to the board.
19:22:13 <ianweller> and since they're just guidelines they don't really have to be legalese
19:22:44 <ianweller> Emichan: but regardless, any help whatsoever would be a ton of... help :)
19:22:46 <mizmo> so fedora logo, four foundations logo, fudcon logo, fedora remix logo
19:22:47 <nicubunu> Emichan: i think you should reply you might be interested but want more precise details
19:22:50 <Emichan> ianweller, okay, sounds doable. I'll give it a shot if no one else wants to ;)
19:23:17 <mizmo> yay
19:23:22 <Emichan> ianweller, if you can email me with as much info as possible - that would be good :)
19:23:29 <mizmo> #info Emichan will be the new branding ninja
19:23:37 <mizmo> :-D
19:23:38 <ianweller> Emichan: sure!
19:23:48 <Emichan> mizmo, can i be the czar instead? i'm already a ninja! :)
19:23:49 * ianweller writes down on a sticky note
19:23:57 <mizmo> #info Emichan will be the new branding czar!
19:23:58 <mizmo> :)
19:24:08 <ianweller> i thought czaring required board approval   /me ducks
19:24:14 <mizmo> ianweller, conveniently, i'm on the board :)
19:24:17 <ianweller> keke
19:24:18 <nicubunu> czarette/
19:24:28 <ianweller> anyway that's all i had! thanks Emichan, i'll shoot you an email :)
19:24:30 <Emichan> czarina?
19:24:32 <ianweller> sorry i was late
19:24:43 <mizmo> it's all good we're fairly laid back here :)
19:24:44 <Emichan> ianweller - sounds good!
19:25:02 <mizmo> okay so the next topic i wannt bring up is WaspStung's lekhonee ticket
19:25:10 <mizmo> #topic lekhonee logo, ticket 15
19:25:23 <WaspStung> here
19:25:33 <nicubunu> is kushal aware about activity on his ticket?
19:25:39 <mizmo> WaspStung, is this the latest mockup? https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/15/logo007.png
19:25:53 <mizmo> im not sure, i haven't heard from kushal recently. have you talked to kushal, WaspStung?
19:26:02 <WaspStung> there is no activity from him
19:26:12 <WaspStung> yes thats latest one
19:26:22 <WaspStung> No i have not talked to him
19:26:24 <mizmo> i sent him an email with WaspStung cc'ed and didn't get a reply, but i didn't know if maybe he replied to WaspStung only
19:26:24 <mizmo> okay
19:26:31 <mizmo> nicubunu, have you heard from kushal lately?
19:26:53 <nicubunu> we talked about our latest photos this morning but i forgot about the logo
19:27:01 <mizmo> ah okay so he's around
19:27:11 <mizmo> it's a big time difference with us in the americas i think
19:27:14 <nicubunu> hope will remember tomorrow
19:27:16 * Schendje has only just recognized the pen tip, i thought they were two needles/pins and a bird's head in the middle
19:27:17 <mizmo> it's probably easier for you to be in the same time zone as him
19:27:31 <nicubunu> not the same but we are closer
19:27:34 <mizmo> i think i like the bottom right icon the best in https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/15/logo007.png
19:27:48 <mizmo> nicubunu, ah yeh thats what i mean- awake during the same hours hehe
19:27:51 <mizmo> or similar hours
19:28:13 <mizmo> i like the shading behind the letters in the top logo in here though https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/15/logo007.png
19:28:19 <WaspStung> What i wanted is to take branding off your back
19:28:40 <WaspStung> becouse i thought that redhad branding  rep contacted you
19:28:44 <mizmo> i think i like the bottom right logo because it looks like it's moving forward. when the pens point to the bottom left, it looks like you're moving backwards
19:28:51 <mizmo> WaspStung, oh don't worry about that, that wasn't really related
19:29:22 <WaspStung> correct
19:29:26 <Emichan> mizmo - i agree - the pen tips look better pointing up and right
19:29:38 <WaspStung> ok
19:29:50 <mizmo> i think maybe the little hook in the bottom right of the pen on the top could go though
19:29:56 <WaspStung> should i forget about the gray sentence?
19:29:57 <mizmo> so it melts into the clear ring
19:30:03 <nicubunu> my only question: is not it too close to the wordpress logo?
19:30:06 <mizmo> WaspStung, i think it's okay
19:30:13 <mizmo> nicubunu, that's something im a little worried about
19:30:22 <mizmo> because i don't think wordpress has blessed it as an official wordpress client
19:30:23 <nicubunu> from the distance both are blue W
19:30:29 <mizmo> and they own the trademark on their logo
19:30:34 <WaspStung> well thats what i wanted to do with this new version, get away of wordpress
19:30:37 <Emichan> another reason to go with the inverted tips
19:30:44 <WaspStung> well
19:30:53 <mizmo> lekhonee does livejournal too doesn't it?
19:30:54 <WaspStung> there is one thing about this wordpress similarity
19:31:02 <nicubunu> maybe change the color?
19:31:17 <WaspStung> first color now is different, secont not same typo and third i now made the tips not based on a W
19:31:29 <mizmo> the artwork is really stunning, WaspStung - so im sorry the trademark stuff is such a bother
19:31:37 <WaspStung> no problem
19:31:47 <WaspStung> i am here to make it good so we will work this out
19:31:53 <mizmo> let me sketch out an idea, one sec
19:31:57 <WaspStung> i will make some other color options
19:32:09 <mizmo> kushal is from India so one idea i had was to add the indian flag colors
19:32:12 <mizmo> orange and green
19:32:23 <WaspStung> thats nice
19:33:14 <WaspStung> ok. i will work on colors this week and i will also work more on the pen tip as you suggested
19:33:56 <WaspStung> also.. little by little i have been getting around the design guidelines and i am feeling more confortable doing stuff for gnomish things. i got into tango specs and stuff
19:36:19 <mizmo> WaspStung, awesome that's great news
19:36:26 <mizmo> it can be helpful too to poke around the icon sources
19:36:34 <mizmo> do you know about sparkleshare + the gnome icon git repos?
19:36:44 <mizmo> poking around the files there can be really helpful to learn how to put them together
19:36:45 <WaspStung> nope
19:37:00 <WaspStung> i have poke around the svg on my desktop icons
19:37:12 <mizmo> let me see if i can get you info, one sec
19:37:23 <WaspStung> but i will make investigation about sparkleshare
19:37:30 <WaspStung> ok
19:37:32 <mizmo> WaspStung, which version of fedora are you running?
19:37:47 <mizmo> http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/alexh/sparkleshare/  <= there's fedora repos for sparkleshare in f13 and f14
19:37:56 <mizmo> so if youre running beta you can install the f14 one
19:38:06 <WaspStung> ok
19:38:20 <mizmo> then the specific git repo for gnome icons is on gitorious, let me look it up quick for you (you just paste it into sparkle share wehn you start it up)
19:38:58 <mizmo> WaspStung, i think you just put "tango-icons/tango-icons" - the full url is here http://gitorious.org/tango-icons
19:38:59 <WaspStung> super
19:39:13 <WaspStung> got it
19:39:45 <mizmo> WaspStung, once you have a design that is close you'll want to post the svg sources to the ticket too
19:40:15 <WaspStung> yes, i have not posted svg becouse we are not close. but i will
19:41:01 <nicubunu> there is no problem posting SVGs in early stages, that way people can help from then
19:41:11 <WaspStung> that makes sense
19:41:17 <nicubunu> release early, release often
19:41:21 <mizmo> im having some trouble uploading my sketch to fedorapeople, im gonna post it to the ticket
19:41:46 <mizmo> if i had the svg i probably wouldn't have such a sloppy sketch you see :)
19:41:56 <WaspStung> haha
19:41:57 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/15/ideas-lekhonee.png
19:42:03 <WaspStung> sorry,.... :(
19:42:08 <mizmo> so the top one - is using the pen tips like arrows forward, no circle outline
19:42:12 <mizmo> WaspStung, it's no problem! no worries
19:42:29 <mizmo> the second one is making an L, using the pen tip as the | and the line it draws as the _
19:42:30 <WaspStung> good, understandable
19:42:58 <mizmo> so are you pretty confident you can move forward with this ticket?
19:43:05 <mizmo> if you ever feel like you're waiting on something
19:43:06 <WaspStung> totally
19:43:07 <mizmo> or want some feedback
19:43:09 <mizmo> please let us know!
19:43:29 <mizmo> okay the next ticket is ticket 101, for the kickstart icon
19:43:30 <WaspStung> i feel good, i want to finish soon so i gan move to something else tho
19:43:38 <mizmo> #topic ticket 101, kickstart icon
19:43:54 <mizmo> http://xorengineering.com/dev/icons/
19:43:57 <mizmo> is Bryan here?
19:44:00 * mizmo doesn't know his nick
19:44:30 <mizmo> i have a couple of concerns about this ticket -
19:44:33 <nicubunu> here jimmac did an awesome job on guiding him
19:44:46 <mizmo> i think we have to make sure the sources are posted upstream or in our design-team shared space
19:44:55 <mizmo> on system-config-boot, absolutely nicubunu
19:45:01 <mizmo> i think kickstart is still a work-in-progress tho
19:45:08 <nicubunu> yup
19:45:18 <mizmo> i like the robot metaphor, i think at 16x16 maybe instead of showing the whole arm, it would work better to just show the hand of the arm
19:45:32 <nicubunu> and kickstart still requires a lot of work
19:45:51 <mizmo> i think bryan is maybe looking for some more feedback/guidance
19:45:56 <nicubunu> agreed, in 16x16 is really hard to understand the image content
19:46:24 <mizmo> if 16x16 was just a robot hand on a box... it might work
19:46:39 <mizmo> then show the full arm at maybe 32=
19:46:40 <mizmo> 32+
19:46:50 <mizmo> can anyone think of more feedback to help Bryan?
19:46:54 <Emichan> yes you have to look quite closely to understand the icon
19:47:44 <nicubunu> sorry, but it looks like a crane and a box
19:48:53 <mizmo> maybe some kind of sparks should fly out
19:48:59 <mizmo> it's sort of the creation of a new box
19:49:50 <mizmo> okay
19:49:52 <nicubunu> i think now is a robotic arm moving a display
19:50:41 <mizmo> okay
19:50:47 <mizmo> i just sent bryan a list of these points
19:50:52 <mizmo> hopefully he won't be too discouraged
19:51:08 <mizmo> so the other two topics we have
19:51:11 <mizmo> #topic fedora rpg & open floor
19:51:28 <mizmo> the new www.fpo is taking every free time i have so i haven't made any progress on fedora rpg yet :(
19:51:41 <Emichan> I made a panda :)
19:51:56 <nicubunu> i wanted to draw my own panda but didn't liked the result so didn't send anything
19:52:21 <mizmo> i saw, i love the panda Emichan :)
19:52:38 <Emichan> I haven't made any panda accessories yet, but they're coming :D
19:52:47 <mizmo> wooo
19:52:53 <dottedfish_> quick question - icon requests... should icons be made fitting echo or tango
19:53:07 <mizmo> im going to try really hard this week to get a panda + Accessories done
19:53:09 <mizmo> dottedfish_, tango
19:53:10 <nicubunu> Emichan: i think your panda is a bit too symmetric
19:53:32 <Emichan> nicubunu - it's symmetric because it should be easier to dress that way
19:53:39 <nicubunu> at first we need 2-3 accessories, to prove it works
19:54:04 <mizmo> i think its good to be symmetric too - if all the pandas are symmetric then the accessories can be used on either body, right?
19:54:11 <mizmo> or are we redrawing for each panda?
19:54:18 <nicubunu> but so symmetric, he won't be able to hold a guitar, a beer or a flower
19:54:27 <Emichan> mizmo - i was thinking all panda parts interchangable
19:55:01 <mizmo> we switch up the coordinates maybe if needed right?
19:55:12 <Emichan> nicubunu - guitar, maybe not. beer or flower? i don't see why it can't hold one of those
19:55:35 <mizmo> i want the panda to have a toy panda :)
19:55:42 <Emichan> we can always do one arm up, one arm down and keep it consistent across all bodies
19:55:57 <mizmo> http://stg.fedoraproject.org/ <= shift+reload!!! check it!!!!
19:56:17 <nicubunu> hmmm... maybe i will manage this week to show a concept too for the panda
19:56:54 <Emichan> also, my panda is made up of several parts, that could be programmatically rejiggered if needed
19:56:55 * Schendje doesn't like the cut-off sides :(
19:57:03 * Schendje is also not sure what we can do about that :P
19:57:11 <nicubunu> mizmo: how big, in MB, is the page?
19:57:28 <mizmo> Schendje, cutoff?
19:57:36 <mizmo> nicubunu, im not sure :(
19:57:39 * mizmo installs yslow
19:57:43 <Schendje> mizmo: yeah at the left and right
19:57:50 <mizmo> Schendje, screenshot?
19:58:03 <Schendje> mizmo: i meant this:
19:58:04 <Schendje> <mizmo> it'll expand out to 1600x1200
19:58:04 <Schendje> <mizmo> after that... it just cuts off cleanly
19:58:08 <mizmo> oh
19:58:15 <Emichan> mizmo, it's the same for me as well
19:58:15 <mizmo> how many people have > 1600 though
19:58:18 <Schendje> do you think it's okay like this?
19:58:34 <Emichan> if anyone is using 1080p displays, they have greater than 1600
19:59:10 <dottedfish_> it looks weird
19:59:13 <mizmo> i can make them 1920 wide; it'll add to the file size though
19:59:17 <mizmo> dottedfish_, what resolution are you running at?
19:59:23 <dottedfish_> 2560
19:59:29 * Schendje tries to think of a better method but is failing spectacularly
19:59:29 <dottedfish_> but it wouldn't even fit 1920
19:59:51 <mizmo> Schendje, we could feather the left and right edges
20:00:01 <dottedfish_> I'd probably avoid stretching or go for a full fluid layout
20:00:19 <Schendje> dottedfish_: not sure the latter is doable for tomorrow morning ;)
20:00:35 <dottedfish_> true
20:00:50 <mizmo> dottedfish_, not possible
20:01:00 <mizmo> even if it was a full fluid layout the images won't magically grow
20:01:25 <dottedfish_> there are ways
20:01:29 <dottedfish_> css is the keyword :p
20:01:36 <dottedfish_> but out of simplicity I'd just avoid it
20:02:13 <mizmo> there isn't any way to make an image grow from it's initial resolution
20:02:33 <Emichan> might just have to go with a fixed size + bg unless you can make them tilable
20:02:35 <mizmo> you could maybe anchor the image to the right side of the screen, but that would look terrible when the layout is designed around the images + text in the center interacting
20:02:42 <dottedfish_> of course there is O.o just use image magic or something like that and multiple css for different resolutions
20:02:52 <nicubunu> what you can do is add a background that will look OK
20:03:02 <dottedfish_> should be done anyways - but I'd recommend only a few e.g. screen reader, mobile and web
20:03:18 <mizmo> im going to blow the width up to 2560 and feather the edges
20:03:28 <mizmo> it's going to be a big size hit though :(
20:03:34 <dottedfish_> there are still users with very low bandwidth
20:03:39 <dottedfish_> and it looks ugly anyways
20:03:49 <nicubunu> yeh, please don't increase the size
20:03:52 <dottedfish_> if the content doesn't match up what do you want with such a giant header
20:04:07 <nicubunu> it was already very slow on my 3G right now
20:04:09 <mizmo> there is nothing i can do to fix the problem without upping the size
20:04:20 <Emichan> make them the same width as the content and add a nice background
20:04:29 <dottedfish_> what problem? just align the header to the basic grid?^^
20:04:48 <nicubunu> +1 for the background
20:05:14 <mizmo> you cant do that
20:05:17 <mizmo> thats what we had before
20:05:21 <mizmo> the background doesn't match
20:05:47 <Emichan> it doesn't have to necessarily match - they are slides afterall
20:05:50 <mizmo> so there's an abrupt cut off between image and background
20:06:09 <mizmo> not all the photos make it possible to fix that without feathering - but the feathering looking pretty terrrible in 960px wide
20:06:11 <Emichan> you could have a different bg for each slide
20:06:17 <nicubunu> even with feathered edges?
20:07:01 <mizmo> that doesn't fix the problem
20:07:21 <mizmo> the feathered edges don't really look great
20:07:33 <mizmo> i think they are okay as a stopgap for the 3 people in the world who have > 2560 px wide
20:07:48 <mizmo> but i would hate for every site viewer to see the edges feathered, it just doesn't look good
20:08:00 <mizmo> if you lookat how the tablet photo was taken... there's not much else you can do though
20:08:31 <Emichan> mizmo - what's the problem with having smaller slides? an abrupt cutoff isn't necessarily bad, it's a slideshow afterall
20:08:45 <dottedfish_> a header like that is very uncommon for websites - even more uncommon for a linux website
20:08:56 <mizmo> Emichan, it didn't look as good, we had that for a few weeks on the staging site
20:09:02 <mizmo> Emichan, it looks okay, it just doesn't wow
20:09:10 <dottedfish_> I mean whats the point of promoting accessible OS's if you're bloating the frontpage with a giant header
20:09:15 <mizmo> dottedfish_, im not sure aspiring to look the same as other linux sites is really a great plan :)
20:09:22 <mizmo> well
20:09:29 <mizmo> you have to pick your battles
20:09:32 <mizmo> i want the site to look good
20:09:46 <dottedfish_> you do not need to look like other linux pages just to have a decent grid and design going
20:09:55 <mizmo> that is exactly what we have
20:09:57 <mizmo> we have a grid
20:10:01 <mizmo> we have a nice design
20:10:03 <mizmo> i need to get back to it
20:10:05 <mizmo> #stopmeeting
20:10:14 <mizmo> ill figure something out
20:10:20 * mizmo senses a late night :(
20:10:27 <dottedfish_> no, the heather doesn't match the grid right now and mh, most of the content areas as well :p
20:12:35 <finalzone> #fedora-art
20:12:38 <finalzone> oops
20:12:40 <dottedfish_> it doesn't matter what browser I use - I get significant grid mis-alignments which I believe are coded but I'd have to look at the code now and I'm kind of busy myself :/ but I can't even overlay any common grid type and even if I customize it it only matches up on a specific area of the frontpage
20:16:19 <mizmo> dottedfish_, the site template generally uses the 960 grid system. the slideshow banner is removed from the grid system as we wanted to it be full page width
20:16:50 <mizmo> dottedfish_, if you could send some screenshots showing the misalignments that would be very helpful. i see none on my end nor has anyone else reported them, the site's been in staging for close to 2 months now
20:16:59 <mizmo> we're going live tomm morning
20:17:13 <mizmo> #endmeeting