19:06:01 <mizmo> #startmeeting 19:06:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Oct 12 19:06:01 2010 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:06:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:06:03 <mizmo> woo 19:06:06 <fabsh> yay! 19:06:14 <fabsh> mizmo: quick question 19:06:25 <mizmo> sure 19:06:31 <fabsh> any news on the rpg meeting? 19:06:53 <fabsh> i can't really commit to a timeslot because of rehearsals but i'd love to participate 19:07:21 <mizmo> i got a bunch of responses (thank you all :) ) 19:07:29 <mizmo> i am gonna go thru them tonight and figure out what time works best 19:07:37 <mizmo> i haven't gotten a chance to look yet tho :( 19:07:42 <mizmo> the responses are still rolling in 19:08:14 <fabsh> i hope i can make it to most of them but i have acting rehearsals a lot these days.... 19:08:20 <finalzone> finalzone here. hello all 19:08:27 <mizmo> it's all good, if you can't make it ill make sure to take good notes for ya 19:08:30 <mizmo> hey finalzone 19:08:31 <msourada> hi finalzone :) 19:08:34 <mizmo> we're just getting started 19:08:37 <mizmo> #topic cd/dvd artwork 19:08:39 <fabsh> mizmo: cool. thanks! :) 19:08:45 <mizmo> so alexander couldn't make it, but he sent his files 19:08:55 <mizmo> #link http://www.alexandersmirnov.ru/Sources/F14/media-artwork/ 19:09:21 <mizmo> what do you folks think about the designs? we good? 19:09:35 <fabsh> that rocks! 19:09:39 <nicubunu> i think we have the sleeves 19:09:48 <msourada> oh, they're totally awesome 19:09:56 <fabsh> i love the reflection! 19:09:59 <mizmo> he did such an amazing job 19:10:02 <mizmo> this is all print-ready 19:10:07 <finalzone> are there grayscale version? 19:10:20 <Emichan> looks great! :) 19:10:28 <nicubunu> do we need grayscale? 19:10:51 <mizmo> it doesn't look like it, but it should be easy to generate, he left all his files here 19:11:16 <mizmo> does anyone want to volunteer to greyscale for lightscribe? 19:11:17 <finalzone> nicubunu: think about place that cannot afford colours 19:11:27 <mizmo> probably best to greyscale the full color version 19:11:34 <mizmo> finalzone, greyscale is also good for lightscribe :) 19:11:57 <nicubunu> anything else than open in gimp and desaturate? 19:12:13 <finalzone> what about channel mixer? 19:12:19 <mizmo> nicubunu, i think that's about it lol 19:12:54 <mizmo> so we are in really good shape 19:12:57 <nicubunu> channel mixer is better but you have to know what ate you doing 19:12:59 <mizmo> alexander totally rocks 19:13:06 <fabsh> yep he does 19:13:15 * msourada agrees 19:13:18 <mizmo> #topic f14 artwork 19:13:21 <mizmo> msourada, i am halfway finished 19:13:25 <mizmo> i've been working on them since this morning 19:13:29 <mizmo> i should have them ready in a couple hours 19:13:33 <mizmo> i'll mail you a tarball url? 19:13:40 <fabsh> is is this the animated stuff? 19:13:43 <mizmo> yep 19:13:44 <Schendje> sorry, have what ready? 19:13:49 <Schendje> ah the walls 19:13:49 <fabsh> can we see? 19:13:50 <msourada> mizmo, awesome. Yup, tarball url would suffice 19:13:52 <mizmo> i have morning & day ready, i need to finish sunset and evening 19:14:06 <mizmo> fabsh, i have to upload them. it takes me a while because even with 4gb of ram the files are large and slow to work with :( 19:14:12 <mizmo> (the final files are like 1 mb each) 19:14:13 <fabsh> i installed f14 today. looks already great! :D 19:14:16 <mizmo> yay 19:14:30 <mizmo> but ill uploadthe final pngs to the wiki hopefully in a couple hours or so 19:14:37 <finalzone> are daytime wallpapers back if I understand? 19:14:38 <fabsh> mizmo: ok, you'll post them on the list i guess :) 19:14:43 <mizmo> fabsh, yeppers 19:14:51 <mizmo> finalzone, yep! we'll do morning / noon / sunset / night 19:14:53 <fabsh> awesome 19:14:57 <sijis> meeting? 19:15:01 <Schendje> sijis: yes 19:15:03 <msourada> so I'll package them probably tomorrow 19:15:15 <finalzone> at last 19:15:22 <mizmo> sijis, website is in two topics! 19:15:29 <mizmo> #topic release party posters 19:15:41 <mizmo> Emichan, did you have a chance to look at these? (there is still two weeks left so plenty of time) 19:15:53 <mizmo> oct 25 is the due date 19:16:02 <Emichan> I started them this weekend - I'm going to try to get something up for feedback later today 19:16:08 <mizmo> sweet :) 19:16:23 <mizmo> look forward to it! 19:16:24 <mizmo> okay 19:16:29 <mizmo> i think that's the rest of our f14 items 19:16:32 <Emichan> mizmo do you have the wallpaper sources posted anywhere? 19:16:41 <mizmo> Emichan, yep one sec i have the url handy 19:17:15 <mizmo> Emichan, http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/ 19:17:22 <Emichan> mizmo thanks 19:17:26 <mizmo> there will be updated ones with the morning / noon / sunset/ night though 19:17:30 <mizmo> hopefully by the end of today 19:17:45 <Emichan> yay :) 19:17:58 <fabsh> that is so awesome! 19:18:05 * fabsh is happy like a baby bunny 19:18:10 <mizmo> #f14 anything else? 19:18:15 <mizmo> can anybody think of anything we're missing for f14? 19:18:20 <Emichan> what about updated splash art? 19:18:43 <mizmo> is there anything about them we need to change? 19:18:54 <mizmo> so far the feedback we got on them has been overwhelmingly positive, i haven't seen a single complaint 19:19:05 <Emichan> with the wallpaper finalized, do we want to change them to go more with the new wallpapers? 19:19:08 <mizmo> but if you think they could use improvement now would be the time 19:19:14 <Emichan> just asking 19:19:16 <mizmo> hmm let me look 19:19:31 <fabsh> are you talking about anaconda? 19:19:32 <mizmo> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork 19:19:44 <mizmo> i think the common palette helps them hang together pretty well 19:19:47 <Emichan> for instance we're using the darker color scheme in the wallpaper 19:20:02 <mizmo> it's darker at night, but it's light in the morning 19:20:15 <mizmo> hehe the cleverness of day-night wallpapers 19:20:44 <fabsh> the anaconda stuff looks amazing 19:20:53 <fabsh> i was totally blown away by that today 19:21:04 <fabsh> having been somewhat idle here lately... 19:21:21 <mizmo> my favis the firstboot banner 19:21:24 * finalzone reminds oneself to look into graphical installer redesign 19:21:27 <mizmo> i think we're good 19:21:28 <Emichan> well i haven't seen the latest ones obviously, but the walls you had last week all had the darker color scheme 19:21:28 <fabsh> mizmo: +1 19:21:35 <mizmo> finalzone, yep that was a topic on devel-list this week 19:21:36 <Emichan> but the morning one was lighter in the middle 19:22:00 <mizmo> let me see how quickly i can upload wha ti got 19:22:09 <finalzone> mizmo: I am checking mail list right now 19:22:46 <Emichan> what's the deadline for packaging art for the next release? 19:23:21 <mizmo> let me see 19:23:23 <msourada> finalzone: I believe it's the flame about ubuntu installer... I gave up half-way reading through it... 19:23:46 <mizmo> Fri 15-Oct Emichan 19:23:47 <fabsh> lol 19:23:59 <fabsh> imho our installer is better looking :) 19:24:04 <mizmo> at FUDcon tempe the whole anaconda team is gonna be there brainstorming about a next gen anaconda UI 19:24:27 <Schendje> finalzone: can you give me a link? 19:24:32 <Emichan> we should have some design team people sitting in on that, no? 19:24:40 <fabsh> yep 19:24:51 <finalzone> Schendje: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-October/144105.html 19:24:54 <fabsh> devs brainstorming ui might look scary in the end ;) 19:25:01 <mizmo> Schendje is applying for sponsorship, i'll deifnitely be there 19:25:10 <fabsh> nice 19:25:17 <mizmo> tatica will be there too!! 19:25:25 * mizmo can't wait to meet tatica in-person 19:25:26 * Schendje hopes he can get in 19:25:28 * Schendje is expensive 19:25:30 <mizmo> hehe 19:25:39 * fabsh is cheap 19:25:39 <mizmo> but you are an intern 19:25:44 <mizmo> maybe you can apply for the fedora scholarship 19:25:54 * Schendje knows the redhat money is gone already :) 19:25:54 * finalzone is too busy in Vancouver and have to check budget =( 19:26:10 <mizmo> okay i think we are good for f14 then 19:26:16 <mizmo> i will have those wallpapers totally done by the end of today 19:26:25 <fabsh> nice 19:26:28 <msourada> cool 19:26:29 <fabsh> great work 19:26:33 <fabsh> f14 looks cool 19:26:45 <mizmo> some of the ones i have so far - http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%20Release%20Themes/F14/Wallpaper/animted%20comps/ 19:26:49 <nicubunu> msourada: i found entertaining that flame 19:26:49 * nicubunu has no life 19:26:52 <mizmo> night will probably be lightened a bit, sunset i still have to do 19:27:00 <mizmo> #topic f15 codename 19:27:05 <mizmo> i have no idea what is going on with f15's codename 19:27:09 <mizmo> i thought the deadline was oct 8 19:27:09 <mizmo> o_O 19:27:23 <msourada> nicubunu: I too, at first... today it's getting too deep (too many messages) for me 19:27:30 <mizmo> i'll email the logistics list now to see what is going on there 19:27:36 <sijis> wasn't the winner already determined? 19:27:50 <mizmo> sijis, it was supposed ot be oct 8 but there isnt any signs of it 19:27:52 <fabsh> not according to the wiki 19:28:07 <fabsh> says suggestion period hasnt opened 19:28:14 <mizmo> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_15 19:28:45 <fabsh> but there are names in there 19:28:48 <fabsh> wierd 19:28:50 <sijis> ohh. i was looking at F14's list.. DOH! 19:29:16 <mizmo> okay i just sent an email 19:29:21 <mizmo> okay 19:29:25 <mizmo> so next topic is the websites :) 19:29:29 <mizmo> #topic f14 new www.fpo 19:29:38 <mizmo> http://stg.fedoraproject.org/ 19:29:39 <fabsh> lol 19:29:46 <fabsh> i am still confused 19:29:49 <mizmo> pretty much all the strings are set, translation's already begun 19:30:05 <mizmo> same here http://stg.fedoracommunity.org/ 19:30:30 <fabsh> the websites look good to me, although i didnt have enough time to go into the details like grammar etc 19:30:35 <nicubunu> i feel the new website has a bit too much Red Hat branding 19:30:39 <msourada> http://stg.fedoraproject.org/ is sure to crash webkitgtk on f14, not sure why though... 19:30:46 <Schendje> nicubunu: only three logos on frontpage! ;) 19:30:47 <nicubunu> header, footer and sidebar 19:30:49 <mizmo> msourada, it's crashing? 19:31:03 <fabsh> msourada: works in chromium 19:31:03 <mizmo> Schendje, it's only two, the hosting provider rotates 19:31:07 <sijis> nicubunu: the sponsors list eventually will rotate 19:31:11 <Schendje> mizmo: 2.5 19:31:14 <msourada> mizmo, yup try opening it in f14's epiphany or midori 19:31:22 <mizmo> well red hat pays for me, i can't complain 19:31:31 * mizmo not running f14 19:31:33 <Schendje> mizmo: hehe yeah i'm okay with it, just joking 19:31:35 <mizmo> what does it say when it crashes 19:31:40 <nicubunu> and honestly " A Red Hat Community Project" does not sound well for PR... aren't we an open community? 19:31:43 <fabsh> chromium on f14 works 19:31:45 <msourada> fabsh: chromium isn't webkitgtk... 19:31:48 * Schendje is worried about the translations 19:31:52 <mizmo> nicubunu, how about A Red Hat sponsored community? 19:31:58 <fabsh> msourada: its webkit tho ;) 19:32:01 <Schendje> with longer words the entire thing breaks 19:32:07 <msourada> mizmo, probably bug in webkitgtk, I have to look in abrt... 19:32:09 <mizmo> Schendje, that's a css fix 19:32:22 <nicubunu> the current text sounds, IMO, as we are owned 19:32:27 <msourada> fabsh, yeah, but different svn revision, javascript, ... 19:32:28 <sijis> Schendje: yeah, that was brought up by finnish trans group today 19:32:31 <mizmo> nicubunu, does "A Red Hat sponsored community" work better? 19:32:43 <fabsh> mizmo: worse! 19:32:47 <mizmo> really? 19:32:47 <mizmo> :( 19:32:51 <mizmo> what should it say 19:32:53 <fabsh> that sounds like we are all in rh's pocket 19:33:07 <fabsh> i think whats on there is fine 19:33:09 <mizmo> "Sponsored by Red hat" 19:33:27 <mizmo> "A Red Hat sponsored community project" 19:33:29 <sijis> would it be better if we remove it and just depend on the footer link that say "read about RH and Fedora relationship.."? 19:33:29 <ianweller> i personally think having red hat in the footer is sufficient 19:33:30 * finalzone is impressed with typography: Cantarell and Comfortaa work well 19:33:31 <fabsh> it says that at the bottom 19:33:34 <msourada> mizmo, SIGSEGV... one of these days I'm going to fill a bug report about that... (and verify with F12 whether it's a regression) 19:33:44 <fabsh> sijis: +1 19:33:47 <fabsh> ianweller: +1 19:33:54 <mizmo> msourada, is it only stg.fpo that triggers it? 19:33:59 <mizmo> finalzone, yeh they were good choices 19:34:08 <Emichan> i agree - footer seems sufficient 19:34:46 <msourada> mizmo, stg.fedoracommunity seems to be ok 19:34:48 <nicubunu> the sidebar is OK too 19:34:59 <mizmo> msourada, no other websites trigger it? 19:35:11 <mizmo> we were asked to add the logo at the top 19:35:16 <msourada> mizmo, nope, I haven't noticed other websites yet 19:35:17 <mizmo> it's not really negotiable at this point, unfortunately 19:35:44 <fabsh> can we just add a logo? 19:35:57 <sijis> i think that would just look out of place 19:36:04 <mizmo> add which logo 19:36:05 <fabsh> being asked as non-negotiable... sopranos tactics! ;) 19:36:24 <fabsh> leave it as it is then, i'd say 19:37:05 <sijis> if you look at another page (for example) http://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/using/ 19:37:13 <mizmo> considering the % of $$ Red hat provides to the project (e.g., fudcon & travel funding) i think it's fair RH gets more space as a sponsor 19:37:16 <sijis> have 2 rh logos on it doesn't seem like too much 19:38:02 <nicubunu> is not about that... is that we reinforce the opinion people have about fedora being just a RHEL beta 19:38:12 <mizmo> how does having the RH logo enforce that? 19:38:30 <mizmo> does the tons of home user directed content not completely overweigh a 15x15 pixel RH logo? 19:38:40 <mizmo> none of the users or tutorials on the site have anything to do with rhel 19:38:45 <ianweller> hold on guys. 19:39:02 <fabsh> i think its fine as it is 19:39:18 <mizmo> i understand im compltely and totally non objective as my livelihood is provided by RH 19:39:19 <sijis> what if it says "a redhat sponsored project".. is that inaccurate 19:39:43 <Schendje> the current text seems fine to me, fwiw 19:39:57 <Emichan> fabsh +1 19:40:00 <mizmo> if RH wasn't paying my paycheck i probably couldn't afford to do even half the work i do on fedora now 19:40:07 <Emichan> the relationship between RH and fedora isn't a big secret 19:40:08 <sijis> i'm fine with it too.. maybe itsjust the actual text 19:40:29 <mizmo> i understand the concern about it furthering the misconception that fedora is just a rhel beta (and ricky brought that up last week) 19:40:33 * stickster points out, FWIW, that at our community Marketing FAD event, we had an independent marketing expert in attendance... he told us that Fedora 19:40:35 <stickster> oops 19:40:45 * stickster points out, FWIW, that at our community Marketing FAD event, we had an independent marketing expert in attendance... he told us that Fedora's link to Red Hat is seen as a great strength of Fedora, though not the only one 19:40:57 <stickster> And hiding that or de-emphasizing it is actually counterproductive for us 19:41:02 <mizmo> but i feel like the content of the website, is so overwhelmingly desktop-user oriented that i don't think there's a whole lot of room for RHEL confusion 19:41:26 <fabsh> stickster: depends on who the target is, imho 19:41:29 <mizmo> i understand my saying that is a lot less meaningful given where my dinner comes from 19:41:33 <mizmo> but i hope youll consider it 19:41:47 <fabsh> stickster: many community people seem to see it negative. that said, i think we shouldn't hide it too 19:42:32 <fabsh> i agree with mizmo, we need to empahize fedora as a desktop os to set it apart from rhel and we are doing that 19:42:33 <Emichan> rh may be a corporate overlord, but at least they're benevolent ;) 19:42:41 <stickster> fabsh: It doesn't, really -- Red Hat has a brand built on values that are very much compatible with us. If Red Hat is known by the person viewing the site, it's a positive. If they're not, we also end up helping educate them a little through the link, which is also a plus 19:42:53 <sijis> i agree.. RH provides a ton of funds towards making Fedora run 19:42:54 <mizmo> red hat's brand helps us too though, it legitimizes fedora a bit 19:42:54 <stickster> fabsh: Sorry, "doesn't depend..." 19:43:00 <mizmo> 'what's this free hippie thing?' 19:43:05 <Emichan> i think most people won't really notice it frankly 19:43:10 <stickster> mizmo: I think it's more that it's a very productive symbiosis. 19:43:10 <mizmo> 'oh red hat, i saw that on jim cramer the other night, that's a good company' 19:43:12 <finalzone> fabsh: fedora is more than desktop. I now use if for video editing =) 19:43:35 <nicubunu> that depends on the audience and target, around here a lot of people go to debian and run away from corporations 19:43:43 <fabsh> stickster: the only problem i see is that people think rhel is only for servers and crap on the desktop and the project that on fedora --- but we can't help that much either way 19:43:57 <fabsh> finalzone: which is desktop use ;) 19:43:58 <stickster> nicubunu: We can't really do anything about that, though. We shouldn't hide our relationships, that would be dishonest. 19:44:02 <ianweller> i feel like a discussion on whether or not we should have reduced or additional presence of red hat on our website isn't something we should discuss at this meeting, and maybe belongs on the list so we can talk about other things 19:44:26 * ianweller disclaims that he also gets a paycheck from red hat 19:44:29 <finalzone> fabsh: see how vague "deskto" has become =p 19:44:30 <fabsh> stickster: *they project -- sorry 19:44:32 <mizmo> nicubunu, if someone runs debian for that reason they will never run fedora or ubuntu 19:44:47 <fabsh> finalzone: its basically "anything not on the server or the phone" 19:44:55 <ianweller> but it just seems like this conversation is getting out of hand and it's seeming less and less like a design team issue 19:45:05 <fabsh> ianweller: +1 19:45:11 <mizmo> okay 19:45:17 <sijis> we can agree to disagree 19:45:17 <fabsh> we should discuss this at a pub sometime.... ;) 19:45:17 <mizmo> if anybody has lingering concerns please email me 19:45:50 <stickster> ianweller: +1, I think this is a "tempest in a teapot" issue. But I also disclose that I get my paycheck from Red Hat, although I would have said the same thing three years ago :-) 19:46:04 <mizmo> i can try to change things if folks have a good suggestion 19:46:09 <mizmo> so the next topic 19:46:18 <mizmo> #topic recruiting more designres 19:46:26 <mizmo> so diana martin did a study of our community a few months back 19:46:38 <mizmo> and one of the big things she noted is that around the time of a new release is the best time to recruit new community members 19:46:51 <mizmo> because we're starting out on a fresh release, people are less stressed, it's easier to join in then 19:47:02 <mizmo> so i was wondering if anybody had ideas on how we can recruit more designers into the project 19:47:20 <fabsh> lets blog that we want more people 19:47:26 <fabsh> also microblog it 19:47:38 <fabsh> i didn't know we wanted more people 19:47:44 <mizmo> we always need more designers :) 19:47:47 <fabsh> although it's obvious in hindsight ;) 19:47:50 <mizmo> we also traditoinally focus more on artwork 19:47:56 <mizmo> but we'll need UI design for the RPG project as well 19:48:00 <fabsh> what do we need? 19:48:02 <mizmo> (we also need artwork for it!) 19:48:13 <fabsh> can we mention the rpg publicly? 19:48:13 <mizmo> and we'll need UI design for maybe a potential anaconda/installer UI redesign 19:48:19 <mizmo> sure i don't see why not 19:48:21 <mizmo> although 19:48:24 <mizmo> i guess we don't have a name for it ye 19:48:25 <mizmo> yet 19:48:28 <fabsh> ok 19:48:34 <mizmo> we should probably have a name before we start talking too much about it 19:48:37 <fabsh> i'll give it some airtime on LO then 19:48:41 <fabsh> ok 19:48:42 <mizmo> just to lessen confusion 19:48:46 <mizmo> talking about the idea is fine though 19:48:54 * finalzone is looking about ubuntu installer documentation redesign 19:48:57 <mizmo> it's been talked about publicly in fedora for maybe a year now in various board meetings, etc 19:49:01 <finalzone> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-October/144105.html 19:49:03 <Schendje> "fabsh's world of wonders" 19:49:07 <fabsh> i like FreeWorld 19:49:08 <finalzone> oops, wrong link 19:49:16 <finalzone> https://docs.google.com/View?id=dfkkjjcj_101gnkrpg5v 19:49:21 <fabsh> Schendje: lol. sounds dirty.... 19:49:27 <Schendje> fabsh: exactly 19:49:49 <fabsh> Fedora's Wonderful World of Neckbeards ;) 19:49:59 <mizmo> ubuntu's installer fails for technical users though 19:50:02 <Schendje> fabsh: that doesn't sound any cleaner :P 19:50:04 <mizmo> as it has no lvm/raid support 19:50:07 <mizmo> or advanced partitioning 19:50:14 <fabsh> i discovered that this week 19:50:18 <fabsh> that is shocking! 19:50:28 <fabsh> ubufail 19:50:43 <Schendje> the things brought up on the mailing list don't exlucde those features though 19:50:51 <Schendje> exclude, sorry 19:51:26 <mizmo> right so anaconda will be awesomer ux-wise and feature-wise (although it already is the latter) 19:51:33 <fabsh> CommunityCraft? 19:51:45 <finalzone> does Ubuntu ever have installer in the league of Anaconda outside live media? 19:51:50 <fabsh> just throwing up things here. don't mind me.... ;) 19:51:59 <Schendje> mizmo: ux things are not features? :( 19:52:02 <Emichan> no wow refs please 19:52:12 <fabsh> true 19:52:15 <fabsh> damn it 19:52:16 <mizmo> Schendje, ux things are features, maybe it's better to say functionality 19:52:24 <mizmo> Schendje, because LVM is a functionality i would give up a smooth UX for 19:52:52 <Schendje> we can have both :) 19:52:56 <mizmo> so i guess we can do a blog campaign to get more designers 19:53:09 <mizmo> but i am concerned that once we get them coming to us we won't have anything for them to work on 19:53:11 <mizmo> like 19:53:13 <mizmo> there's tons of work 19:53:14 <fabsh> lets do that 19:53:19 <mizmo> but not a whole lot that's well-documented you know 19:53:26 <Schendje> mizmo: agreed i was thinking about that! 19:53:28 <mizmo> i dont want to be like, 'ooh come join us we are awesome' 19:53:33 <mizmo> and then they show up , 'uh now what' 19:53:41 <mizmo> and we're like, 'uh look around, and figure it out, have fun teehee' 19:53:49 <mizmo> :-/ 19:53:56 <mizmo> maybe we need to have a queue of bounties 19:53:58 <fabsh> i think we should encourage people to come to a meeting first 19:54:00 <mizmo> right now they take me a long time to do 19:54:03 <mizmo> oh thats true 19:54:10 <mizmo> because things-to-do pop up during the meeting all the time 19:54:11 <fabsh> the mailinglist can be scary 19:54:39 <fabsh> maybe we should link to the freenode webclient 19:54:44 <mizmo> yeh i think a lot of designers are more accustomed to forums 19:54:53 <fabsh> designers arent necessarily good at irc 19:54:59 <fabsh> yep 19:55:03 <mizmo> we could consider moving to another protocol 19:55:15 <Schendje> the web client is better though, right? 19:55:25 <mizmo> the web client works well enough 19:55:29 <Schendje> i mean for people who don't use irc 19:55:34 <fabsh> mizmo: i would only move if we get feedback that its too hard 19:55:36 <Schendje> it's pretty easy to jump in that way 19:55:46 <Schendje> otherwise you have to download one, configure networks, etc 19:55:56 <fabsh> yep. we shouldnt move on a whim without tangible feedback 19:56:06 <mizmo> kk 19:56:42 <mizmo> well i can keep doing bounties, ill probably be able to do one a month 19:56:48 <mizmo> christoph is pretty much finished with his 19:56:51 <fabsh> that helps 19:56:53 <fabsh> we cya 19:56:58 <fabsh> we can link to that 19:57:12 <mizmo> okay 19:57:20 <mizmo> i think the only topic left was RPG but we'll have a separate meeting for that 19:57:25 <mizmo> so we're pretty much done :) 19:57:29 <mizmo> any other things to discuss? 19:57:36 <msourada> IMHO main problem of mailing lists are web mail clients. I've never been able to easily follow a more rich conversation using gmail, but in evo it's usually smooth... 19:58:06 <fabsh> we need a name for that asap 19:58:21 <fabsh> msourada: other way round for me 19:58:26 <mizmo> fedora the gathering 19:58:27 <mizmo> bwahaha 19:58:31 <fabsh> lol 19:58:34 <fabsh> i like that 19:58:36 <mizmo> maybe we can identi.ca for suggestions fabsh 19:58:40 <mizmo> it should be maybe non fedora specific 19:58:43 <fabsh> we shouldnt have fedora in the name tho 19:58:45 <mizmo> we want other projects to use it too 19:58:46 <mizmo> yep 19:58:52 <fabsh> :) 19:58:59 <msourada> fabsh, lol I always get lost in gmail when the thread branches... sometimes even sooner :D 19:59:09 <nicubunu> i don't see the name as a priority 19:59:10 <fabsh> mizmo: i'll do that identica i mean 19:59:21 <nicubunu> is more important to see if we have a good concept 19:59:24 <fabsh> nicubunu: its important if we want to publicise it 19:59:35 <fabsh> to get more people on board 20:00:05 <mizmo> okei ia m gonna end meeting 20:00:06 <Emichan> plus a name makes it easier to discuss 20:00:09 <mizmo> in 3.... 20:00:12 <mizmo> 2 ... 20:00:17 <mizmo> 1 .... 20:00:21 <mizmo> #endmeeting