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19:01:19 <mizmo> #topic F14 wallpaper
19:01:25 <mizmo> okay so we were just chatting on this
19:01:33 * nicubunu has limited battery so may drop off earlier
19:01:35 <mizmo> i think Emichan's aurora is gorgeous
19:01:46 <mizmo> and we should use it, maybe for f15
19:01:48 <Schendje> +1!
19:01:52 <jsmith> +1
19:01:55 <jsmith> I like it :-)
19:01:57 <mizmo> but it's not matching the vortex thingy so well unfortunately
19:02:05 <Schendje> the composition on her latest wallpaper is kind of awkward though
19:02:07 <msourada> ok, I'd like to say I like mizmo's last concept but prefer the colours of this one:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-wallpaper-remix-em-dark.png
19:02:10 <Schendje> mizmo: yeah, that
19:02:17 <mizmo> and i think her lens flare mockup looks fantastic, but i think maybe a bit too similar to ubuntu light
19:02:18 <finalzone> hello everyone
19:02:19 <mizmo> but it needs something
19:02:20 <mizmo> hey finalzone
19:02:21 <nicubunu> msourada: +1
19:02:28 <mizmo> msourada, lemme look
19:02:36 <mizmo> oh yeh
19:02:39 <mizmo> her color work is very nice
19:02:44 <mizmo> so what ill work on this pm
19:02:48 <mizmo> and i've already started working on it
19:02:48 <jsmith> Yeah, lose the lense flare, but have less contrast than the earlier ones :-)
19:02:52 <nicubunu> the lens flare is too much like gimp's default
19:02:57 <mizmo> is toning down the contrast on the proposal i sent last night
19:03:02 <Schendje> also, it's a lense flare
19:03:03 <mizmo> i can use the colors from em's dark remix
19:03:35 <mizmo> how are you feeling about the effects? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-beta-wallpaper-mizmo-3.png
19:03:42 <mizmo> there's 5 layers of them in the xcf
19:03:44 * Schendje will also see what he can do
19:03:54 * jsmith is fine with them (for beta)
19:03:55 <Schendje> about time i started working on the default wall
19:04:01 <mizmo> Schendje, well we're kind of down to the wire right?
19:04:01 <jsmith> Could use a bit of adjustment for the final
19:04:02 <msourada> the effects are cool and nice
19:04:07 <mizmo> does it have to be packaged today to make beta?
19:04:25 <mizmo> or is it just a change freeze?
19:04:27 <msourada> when is the freeze?
19:04:32 <mizmo> msourada, i think it's today ...
19:04:33 <finalzone> I think the effects are distracting, maybe lights on cristals could be toned down
19:04:55 <mizmo> finalzone, i was gonna fill in the white parts of the crystals so they are silver or light blue rather than white
19:04:56 <msourada> mizmo, if beta freeze is today, we'll need to break it...
19:05:01 <mizmo> aughh
19:05:12 <mizmo> i dont think theyll break freeze for artwork :(
19:05:25 <mizmo> well
19:05:38 <mizmo> we can take more time then
19:05:41 <mizmo> make sure we get it right
19:05:51 <mizmo> and promote the heck out of it to get the feedback we would have if it were in beta
19:05:55 <msourada> well... if not, it will be sitting in updates-testing till the freeze ends...
19:06:18 <mizmo> msourada, if i got you something in a few hours, could you package it to see what happens? or you think not worth it?
19:07:01 <msourada> mizmo, btw. I'm not sure how it was in F13, but since alpha freeze for f14, even outside of freeze we need to follow the usual update procedure. Which means -- everything sits in updates-testing for a week, unless it gets enough +karma
19:07:25 <mizmo> wait
19:07:28 <nicubunu> we can give it karma, test and +1
19:07:30 <mizmo> so there's a freeze before the freeze?
19:07:37 <mizmo> oh
19:07:42 <mizmo> if you get enough karma it doesnt have to sit
19:07:43 <mizmo> okay
19:07:47 <mizmo> so its really important we karma-ize
19:07:53 <msourada> mizmo, I'll go to sleep in about 3 hours, if you make it before then, I can add it to package today
19:08:00 <mizmo> msourada, okay cool
19:08:12 <mizmo> ill get some kind of version of it out - so everyone just note
19:08:20 <mizmo> ill try to get martin something to see if we can ge ta change into the beta
19:08:30 <mizmo> it doesn't mean it's waht we're going with for the final, more we have some different for people to see and think about
19:08:43 <msourada> mizmo, the freezes are for composing alpha/beta/final and have tighter rules -- only alpha/beta/final release blockers are pushed. Outside of freeze since alpha release everything needs to go through updates-testing
19:08:45 <mizmo> it doesn't mean tweaks and updates to the wallpaper aren't appreciated (they are :) )
19:08:52 <mizmo> okay
19:09:05 <mizmo> well our original due date for packaging was today on the schedule
19:09:12 <mizmo> so i think maybe we're okay?
19:09:19 <mizmo> aiight
19:09:39 <mizmo> Schendje, so if you have any ideas for it please feel free to play
19:09:44 <msourada> might be... does any one has F14 schedule by hand (the general one)? Or should I google the beta freeze date...
19:09:48 <mizmo> ill send msourada *something* in a couple hours
19:09:49 <Schendje> mizmo: absolutely
19:09:56 <mizmo> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule
19:10:15 <mizmo> 2010-09-14 	 Beta Change Deadline
19:10:19 <mizmo> 2010-09-28 	 Beta Release
19:11:03 <jsmith> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-design-tasks.html
19:11:38 <mizmo> Package: Beta Wallpaper  	Fri 2010-09-10  	Tue 2010-09-14
19:11:43 <mizmo> so our original date was today
19:11:51 <mizmo> im no tsure why we'd set a date that wouldn't work
19:11:51 <msourada> oh, so it is today... ok... I'm negative we'll make it in... Even if I manage to submit an update before the freeze, I highly doubt we gather enough carma for it to be pushed to stable before freeze takes effect...
19:12:16 <nicubunu> how much karma do we need?
19:12:22 <mizmo> this is very confusing to me
19:12:33 <mizmo> why does our schedule give today as the date if it's highly improbable we could ever make it :(
19:12:35 <mizmo> this is bad
19:12:36 <msourada> mizmo, maybe we forgot about the update thingie? Also I believe in past we were usually breaking the freezes...
19:12:50 <mizmo> i didnt think we ever had a freeze break for artwork
19:12:54 <mizmo> well
19:13:02 <mizmo> nicubunu, i think we need 3 or 4?
19:13:15 <mizmo> msourada, if you sent the bodhi link out ill get folks here in the office to testit
19:13:20 <mizmo> and karma-ify
19:13:20 <msourada> mizmo, well we didn't, but I vaguely recall I used to ask for freeze break for the artwork updates..
19:13:30 <jsmith> msourada: If it's a matter of karma, we can instruct rel-eng to pull that update into the RC
19:13:32 <nicubunu> so we don't find 4 people awake to give a +1?
19:13:58 <mizmo> nicubunu, i can :)
19:14:07 <mizmo> the US is a bit earlier so people aer still around
19:14:17 <nicubunu> unfortunately i won't be available, but i count on you mizmo
19:14:23 <mizmo> :)
19:14:26 <mizmo> okay
19:14:32 <mizmo> let's move on then, we have a plan for the wallpaper
19:14:37 <nicubunu> ok, so we should focus on having the image and packaging it
19:14:43 <mizmo> #topic supplemental wallpapers
19:14:43 <msourada> nicubunu, I'm not 100 % sure how much we need. Default is 3, least is probably 1, unless we're critical path, which we hopefully aren't, but definitelly were in past...
19:15:04 <msourada> http://mso.fedorapeople.org/packages/F14/RPMS/
19:15:04 <mizmo> msourada, did you get the images nicubunu got the late okay for?
19:15:09 <mizmo> they were desert images i think
19:15:17 <msourada> yup, in the above link
19:15:23 <mizmo> i see on the list you got marc's xml slideshow
19:15:24 <mizmo> okay great
19:15:29 <mizmo> i have the rpm installed, haven't tested yet
19:15:35 <mizmo> is there a bodhi link for it to karma it?
19:15:43 <msourada> About an half an hour I also tested it on KDE.
19:16:16 <msourada> mizmo, nope, this is pre-release. I'd like to push it together with the beta wallpapers if we got the today.
19:16:32 <nicubunu> msourada: it was about 2 images made by Hamed Saber
19:16:46 <msourada> nicubunu, yep, they're in now.
19:16:50 <mizmo> okay cool
19:16:52 <mizmo> great :)
19:16:55 <mizmo> msourada++
19:17:10 <mizmo> okay
19:17:14 <mizmo> #topic f14 splashes
19:17:21 <msourada> wait a bit
19:17:30 <mizmo> k whatsup
19:17:40 <msourada> does any one think this kind of attribution looks allright? http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=design-team.git;a=blob;f=laughlin-backgrounds/Attribution
19:18:11 <mizmo> #topic supplemental wallpapers
19:18:16 <nicubunu> we promised also attribution in the background chooser, how we stay with that?
19:18:30 <mizmo> i think for the default, myself & Emily
19:18:39 <mizmo> and I think Alexander too should be credited
19:18:48 <mizmo> (if it gets updated)
19:18:50 <msourada> nicubunu, I tried to put something in the XMLs but it's not displayed :( In KDE it is present.
19:19:07 <nicubunu> msourada can't we provide the full URL  from flickr?
19:19:09 <msourada> mizmo, yeah, I'll add those
19:19:40 <msourada> nicubunu, There aren't full URLs in the wiki, are there? I just gathered together what I've found
19:19:43 <mizmo> yeh putting the original uRL we got them at might be nice
19:19:46 <mizmo> they should be msourada
19:19:54 <mizmo> folks were required to submit with the source url
19:20:26 <nicubunu> when i contacted authors i had to spend 1-2 minutes for each searching the URL
19:20:48 <msourada> well, to be fair, it wouldn't look very nice in the KDE background chooser, in gnome its not present at all, but in the attributions file it would be ok
19:21:32 <mizmo> yeh attributions file should be fine
19:22:21 <msourada> can anyone gather those URLs so that I can add them?
19:22:42 * mizmo will be working furiously on the wallpaper :( can anyone else volunteer?
19:22:48 <Schendje> i can
19:23:03 <nicubunu> my battery dies in 30 minutes :(
19:23:06 <Schendje> i'll do it in a few minutes
19:23:09 <msourada> Schendje, that would be cool.
19:23:31 <mizmo> nicubunu, nice seeing you nicu :(
19:23:42 <mizmo> i will see you later this week right?
19:23:45 <mizmo> in zurich
19:23:49 <nicubunu> sure
19:23:52 <mizmo> yay
19:24:03 <mizmo> okay anything else on the supplementals msourada ?
19:24:11 <msourada> mizmo, nope, that's all
19:24:13 <msourada> thanks
19:24:27 <mizmo> kk
19:24:33 <mizmo> #topic splashes for f14
19:24:41 <msourada> Oh, Schendje: when you have the URLS, send them please to the list, I might miss it on IRC as my F14 tends to freeze
19:24:49 <mizmo> okay so based on what we discussed last week i put these together form Emily and Alexander's images
19:24:58 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork
19:25:03 <mizmo> and spot has packaged them in fedora-logos
19:25:14 <mizmo> there is an issue with the syslinux one though, im working with jlaska to try to get it fixed
19:25:20 <Schendje> msourada: will do!
19:25:52 <mizmo> #topic open floor
19:26:07 <nicubunu> so we have all splashes done?
19:26:18 <mizmo> nicubunu, yep :) except for the syslinux bug but im working on it
19:26:43 <msourada> this is the first time we'll have anything in beta, right?
19:26:51 <nicubunu> so what is still needed for the release?
19:26:54 <mizmo> for splashes, yep
19:26:55 <msourada> er... s/anything/everything/
19:27:12 <mizmo> for final release we'll need a final updated wallpaper im sure
19:27:24 <mizmo> but we'll be alot less stressful this time around other wise :)
19:27:24 <msourada> yep, that's probably
19:27:28 <msourada> probable
19:27:30 <mizmo> one thing we might wanna work on is the DVD / CD artwork
19:27:33 <mizmo> hey Emichan
19:27:47 <Emichan> hi sorry i'm late :)
19:27:56 <mizmo> it's all good
19:28:07 <nicubunu> we still like you Emichan :)
19:28:29 <Emichan> :) i hope so - otherwise i'd be a sad panda :(
19:28:39 <mizmo> http://pandix.org/404.html
19:28:45 <mizmo> DO NOT WANT
19:28:46 <msourada> btw. have you noticed the countdown banner by inkscaper? Looks great!
19:28:46 <mizmo> :)
19:28:47 <nicubunu> oh... i remembered something about supplemental wallpapers
19:28:51 <mizmo> msourada, it does
19:28:56 <mizmo> go for it nicubunu
19:29:08 <msourada> what is it nicubunu?
19:29:18 <nicubunu> we had at least mizmo and jimmac IIRC talking about possible edits on the images
19:29:29 <nicubunu> didn't saw anyone playing with that
19:29:40 <mizmo> ah
19:29:41 <mizmo> maybe for final
19:29:47 * mizmo hasnt had time :( :( : (
19:29:53 <msourada> aah, that one... I agree with mizmo
19:30:00 <nicubunu> yes, for final at with no stress, at a calm pace, having fun
19:30:11 <Emichan> i resized most of them - did a vignette on gnarled
19:30:59 <mizmo> oooh sweet
19:31:03 <Emichan> marc stewart took the wm off of dutch skies
19:31:08 <mizmo> oh tahts right
19:31:12 <mizmo> we are probalby in good shape then
19:31:17 <mizmo> i dont remember which one jimmac had mentioned
19:31:39 <nicubunu> i believe he talked about a vignette on my magic forest
19:31:52 <mizmo> ah okay
19:32:10 <nicubunu> but this is IMO a way to get people involved and playing
19:32:12 <Emichan> the only ones i didn't touch were the ones by hamed
19:32:20 <Emichan> we hadn't heard from him yet
19:32:34 <mizmo> okay
19:32:42 <nicubunu> Emichan: we heard from Hamed yesterday and his images are in
19:32:49 <mizmo> #action for final release, touch-ups needed on Hamed's images in supplemental
19:33:02 <Emichan> nicubunu i heard! yay! i just haven't gotten his images resized/retouched yet
19:33:07 <Emichan> i did the rest last week
19:33:18 <msourada> mizmo, about the wallpapers -- I believe the updates-testing is enabled by default on F14 branched, so most people would get it even if it didn't make freeze
19:33:24 <mizmo> Emichan++
19:33:30 <mizmo> msourada, ah okay
19:33:39 <mizmo> msourada, so are we okay without all the karma?
19:33:53 <nicubunu> karma never hurts
19:33:58 <mizmo> hehe
19:34:13 <mizmo> one thing i wanted to mention
19:34:20 <mizmo> inode0 from the north american ambassadors has been working on fedora lanyards for NA events. they sent us a digital proof today:
19:34:26 <mizmo> http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Fedora%20Collateral/Lanyards/lanyardproof.pdf
19:34:35 <msourada> mizmo, if you want it on the CDs/DVDs we need it before freeze. I'm not sure if we'll make it even with the karma (not sure how this works, especially if you're on tight schedule)
19:34:38 <mizmo> it's going to be a silver ribbon, and we did a punch-thru on the fedora logo f so it'll be silver
19:34:54 <mizmo> msourada, i think we're okay without the supplementals being on the cds/dvds
19:35:17 <mizmo> it might be nice to replace the gnome default ones at some point, but this is only our first try at supplementals
19:35:19 <msourada> mizmo, however, it will get into updates-testing irrespective of freeze, only the push to F14 branched main repo would wait till freeze end
19:36:14 <mizmo> oh okay
19:36:16 <msourada> mizmo, the supplementals are generated from the same source package, so technically it's the same update as the default ones
19:37:00 <mizmo> how many folks here are gonna be in zurich later this week?
19:37:18 * nicubunu in zurich
19:37:21 * Schendje will be!
19:37:22 * mizmo zurich :)
19:37:43 <nicubunu> we will also  have Dave Crossland from Cantarell
19:37:47 <mizmo> oh nice
19:37:51 <Schendje> oh cool
19:38:02 * Emichan is jealous :(
19:38:12 <Schendje> you're gonna do two sessions, right mizmo?
19:38:18 <nicubunu> and jreznik will be there
19:38:26 <mizmo> Schendje, i think so.... i know im gonna do the inkscape mockups talk
19:38:32 <mizmo> i think we are gonna have a design team meetup too
19:38:40 <mizmo> but its not really a talk more of a discussion
19:39:06 <finalzone> I am still having for Dave to update his Cantarell license
19:39:08 <nicubunu> unfortunately i will arrive in Zurich late Friday morning/almost noon
19:39:13 <finalzone> before packaging
19:39:31 <mizmo> Emichan, are you planning to go to FUDcon Tempe in Jan?
19:39:56 <msourada> looks like there'll be a lot people from design :-D I wish I wasn't such a lazybum... now I have to worry more about my studies than FUDCon...
19:40:28 <mizmo> we will take lots of photos :)
19:40:32 * finalzone is too busy on west coasts
19:40:33 <Emichan> mizmo - i'm definitely keeping it in mind - i want to go - just have uncertain life issues, so we'll see ;)
19:40:38 <nicubunu> without msourada there, how can i check anime stores?
19:40:38 <msourada> looking forward them
19:40:46 <mizmo> Emichan, it's all good
19:40:51 <msourada> nicubunu: ROFL
19:40:59 * mizmo notes she has room for a roommate - hard to find other women roomates at these sorts of things lol
19:41:04 <mizmo> (at Tempe)
19:41:17 <mizmo> nicubunu, Swiss anime stores = chocolate anime figures?
19:41:29 <mizmo> nicubunu, you get stuck with me, so it's on to the hello kitty stors
19:42:14 <Schendje> swiss money looks awesome btw!
19:42:15 <nicubunu> mizmo: i NEED to buy some hello kitty stuff...
19:42:22 <mizmo> nicubunu, for your models?
19:42:22 <Schendje> kind of like monopoly-cash :D
19:42:33 <nicubunu> mizmo: for a friend
19:42:35 <mizmo> hk stuff is a good present for women :)
19:42:37 <Emichan> mizmo - i'll see what i can do :D
19:43:06 <mizmo> we need to do another design ninja post
19:43:18 <mizmo> i think with f14 wrapping up now it'll be a good time
19:43:38 <mizmo> i think the next one in the queue is the logo & tshirt design for the fedora summer coding program
19:44:04 <Emichan> s/summer/fall ?
19:44:14 <mizmo> i think for next year at this point lol
19:44:21 <mizmo> although maybe they will do one for the southern hemisphere summer
19:44:30 <mizmo> the gnome women's program is doing one for the southern hemisphere summer, dec-mar
19:45:00 <mizmo> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWomen/OutreachProgram2010 :)
19:45:19 * Schendje still doesn't believe seasons are switched in the south
19:45:28 <Schendje> it's impossible
19:45:47 <mizmo> Schendje, i hear the toilets flush the opposite direction too
19:45:57 <Schendje> mizmo: now that, i believe
19:46:04 <Schendje> mizmo: but that's where i draw the line
19:46:05 <mizmo> i think tatica is close to the equator, not sure if she's far south enough to verify
19:46:23 <tatica> o/
19:46:27 <mizmo> lol
19:46:33 * tatica is not here... is just a bot
19:46:40 <mizmo> lol
19:46:42 <Schendje> do bots have toilets?
19:46:57 <tatica> lol... toilets don't flush oposite afaik, but we only have 2 seasons
19:46:57 <mizmo> and if they *did* have toilets, would they flush clockwise or counter-clockwise?
19:47:03 <mizmo> ah
19:47:04 <mizmo> hehe
19:47:20 <tatica> rain and drought :\
19:47:24 <nicubunu> i think the toilets there smell like roses
19:47:28 <mizmo> maybe its the aussies pulling a fast one on us with the toilet rumors
19:47:43 <Schendje> that sounds like a reasonable explanation
19:48:01 <tatica> bur right now the world is so crazy that the seasons invert completely
19:48:22 * nicubunu has 5 minutes of battery, will probably disappear suddenly
19:48:45 <msourada> hrm... isn't rain and drought related more to the continental vs. oceanic weather?
19:49:02 <Schendje> in australia, nicubunu's battery would be at 95%
19:49:05 * nicubunu has to check the weather in Zurich
19:49:30 <nicubunu> i forgot my charger at the office... was in a TERRIBLE rush today
19:49:58 <msourada> about toilet rumors -- I believe it's Coriolis force that makes it rotate... so gr... my head just overheated :D
19:50:19 <nicubunu> quantum toilets?
19:50:38 <msourada> nicubunu, nope, that's classical mechanics.
19:50:51 <mizmo> nicubunu, thats okay, better to forget your charger than your brain (i forgot my brain this morning lol)
19:51:39 <msourada> when moving on rotating body there's a force that acts perpendicural to both your velocity and axis of rotation
19:52:16 <Emichan> the coriolis effect is tiny - it doesn't affect sinks/toilets/etc
19:52:19 <Emichan> ;D
19:52:28 <msourada> Perpendicular...
19:53:17 <msourada> well, it's cerainly not big :D
19:53:47 <Emichan> no! nicubunu left us! :'(
19:53:50 <mizmo> wahhhh
19:54:56 <mizmo> good news, the syslinux splash is owrking now
19:55:04 <mizmo> it was a 'non-artwork-related' error hehe
19:55:12 <mizmo> so f14 splashes <= done and DONE! woohoo
19:56:14 <Schendje> yay!
19:56:16 <Emichan> rock!
19:56:25 <finalzone> coolio
19:56:57 <msourada> ok, coriolis effect would play a role if you were flushing a perfectly still watter :-D so bathtubs flash in the same direction on both hemispheres under usual conditions :D
19:57:09 <msourada> cool!
19:57:11 <Schendje> damn, the weather in zurich isn't looking that great :(
19:57:17 <mizmo> oh noooooos
19:57:22 <msourada> s/flash/flush/
19:57:23 <mizmo> guess we'll have to stay inside an eat choclates
19:57:29 <Schendje> only solution
19:57:38 <Schendje> plus, y'know, i'm a ninja and unaffected by rain
19:57:43 <Schendje> BRING IT ON, CLOUDS
19:57:49 <mizmo> hehe
19:57:52 <msourada> lol
19:58:04 <mizmo> when you see clouds, you whip out a camera and make them into a wallpaper lol
19:58:10 <Schendje> lol
19:58:16 <mizmo> design ninja strikes again
19:58:47 <Schendje> i've only been to switzerland once, when i was a kid
19:58:59 <Schendje> only thing i remember was the biggest toblerone bar i've ever seen
19:59:08 <mizmo> oh man really
19:59:17 <mizmo> halfline will be veyr happy to hear that
19:59:19 <Schendje> needless to say, i'm looking forward to visiting again :D
19:59:20 <mizmo> is toblerone made there?
19:59:24 <Schendje> could be
19:59:28 * Schendje looks
19:59:53 <Schendje> yep!
19:59:57 <Schendje> or at least, it was created there
20:00:05 <mizmo> heheheheh
20:00:07 <mizmo> muahahahahahaha
20:00:19 * mizmo is definitely coming back to boston with a huge toblerone bar
20:00:23 <Schendje> i saw one this size: http://www.benwick.de/temp/toblerone.jpg
20:00:25 <mizmo> i hope they will allow it through US security
20:00:27 <Schendje> dunno if that's the biggest
20:00:31 <mizmo> hahaha
20:00:35 <mizmo> see he looks canadian
20:00:39 <mizmo> i always thought toblerone was canadian
20:00:51 <mizmo> because when you go to canada from the US, there is always tons of toblerone in the duty free shops
20:02:30 <Schendje> Toblerone is manufactured exclusively in the Swiss city of Bern-Br�[8]
20:02:37 <Schendje> wow, really? O_o
20:02:50 <Schendje> why don't i live there
20:03:46 <mizmo> hehe
20:04:02 <Schendje> ...are we still in the meeting btw? :D
20:04:14 <msourada> I believe so
20:04:19 <mizmo> oh haha
20:04:21 <mizmo> goodbye meeting
20:04:22 <Schendje> cool
20:04:23 <mizmo> #endmeeting