19:00:41 <mizmo> #startmeeting 19:00:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Aug 17 19:00:41 2010 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:41 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:47 <mizmo> #topic rollcall 19:00:49 <mizmo> who's around! 19:00:55 * mizmo Máirín Duffy 19:00:58 * msourada Martin Sourada 19:01:13 * Schendje is here :) 19:01:13 <inkscaper> Alexander Smirnov 19:01:21 <mizmo> hey inkscaper :) 19:01:22 * sijis is sorta around 19:01:46 <mizmo> okay cool 19:01:52 <mizmo> so msourada suggested a first agenda item 19:01:54 <mizmo> :) 19:02:00 <mizmo> #topic f14 alpha banner for website 19:02:20 <mizmo> i'd like to propose we officially bless inkscaper's banner to be used for f14 alpha. the url is here: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1a/Fedora14-alpha-release-banner-envelope-cc.png 19:02:25 <mizmo> what does everyone think? 19:02:42 * msourada thinks it looks awesome, so +1 19:03:00 * Schendje likes it too 19:03:05 <Schendje> that's comfortaa, right? 19:03:09 * fredpyo is here too :D 19:03:11 <mizmo> yep! and cantarell 19:03:11 <msourada> yup 19:03:12 <Schendje> it looks like comic sans somehow O_o 19:03:12 <mizmo> hey fredpyo ! 19:03:51 <mizmo> okay 19:04:06 <mizmo> it seems like we have agreement on the alpha 14 banner by inkscaper 19:04:23 <mizmo> #info https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1a/Fedora14-alpha-release-banner-envelope-cc.png f14 alpha banner approved 19:04:29 <mizmo> #action send f14 alpha banner to websites list 19:04:36 <inkscaper> :) 19:04:38 <mizmo> #topic f14 deadlines 19:04:50 <mizmo> (great job, inkscaper! you always do great work with these banners!) 19:04:57 <mizmo> let me check our deadlines 19:05:03 <mizmo> i am pretty sure we have one this thurs for supplemental wallpapers 19:05:23 <mizmo> Thu 19-Aug Supplemental Wallpaper Submission Period Ends 19:05:46 <mizmo> So we have until Tue 07-Sep to decide which supplemental wallpapers we want to use, and how to package them 19:05:53 <mizmo> fabsh, ^^ 19:06:08 <mizmo> the feedback period for the alpha f14 wallpaper ends today 19:06:23 <mizmo> there was a lot of discussion on my blog post of fredpyo's mockups this week 19:06:44 <mizmo> http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/fedora-14-artwork-progressing/#comments 19:07:07 <msourada> mizmo, AFAIK the F14 slipped due to late alpha... are these dates reflecting the slippage, or are we going with are original schedule? 19:07:08 <mizmo> we only have until Fri 10-Sep to prepare a beta wallpaper :-/ 19:07:16 <mizmo> msourada, this is according to poelcat's latest email to us 19:07:24 <msourada> mimzo, ah, ok 19:07:24 <mizmo> im not sure if he adjused the dates or not 19:07:36 <mizmo> #action mizmo to ask poelcat if dates are adjusted for slippage on design team aschedule 19:08:21 <mizmo> i am very worried right now about the wallpaper 19:08:27 <mizmo> because it seems folks aren't super happy with it 19:08:47 <mizmo> and we only have until sep 6 to get the splashes done - but we kind of need a beta wallpaper design for those to happen 19:08:48 <mizmo> :-/ 19:09:15 <msourada> I'm using what we shipped in alpha, can't say it very good usability-wise, but it's slick... 19:10:12 <mizmo> yeh 19:10:13 <mizmo> :-/ 19:10:30 <mizmo> i got some comments to the effect of 'good for a splash background, not good for daily wallpaper use - i can't find my icons' 19:10:45 <msourada> btw. federico's are imho too much saturated and blurry and shortlord's has an awesome idea, but the logo is a showstopper, and it looks unfinished 19:11:22 <finalzone> hello everyone 19:11:28 <msourada> mimzo, I have only a few icons on my desktop and in the left part, so no problems, but I can imagine it's causing problems for people with more cluttered desktop 19:11:31 <msourada> hi finalzone 19:11:51 <mizmo> hey finalzone 19:11:53 <msourada> er... s/mimzo/mizmo 19:11:56 <mizmo> we are just talking about dates 19:11:59 <mizmo> we've got a lot coming up :-/ 19:12:13 <mizmo> is anybody interested in taking a stab at the splashes (mostly firstboot and anaconda) for f14? 19:12:32 <msourada> btw. I like the coloring in alpha wallpaper, I think we could stay with that shade of blue for F14 19:13:14 <Emichan> I'll put together a few designs for the splashes 19:13:22 <fredpyo> I read some of the comments on the planet, and I will try to make something closer to the original concept... less blurry, saturated and aggresive... 19:14:07 <mizmo> Emichan, that would be awesome! 19:14:11 <mizmo> fredpyo, okay great! 19:14:12 <Emichan> :D 19:14:21 <mizmo> #action Emichan to take a stab at the beta splashes for f14 (anaconda & firstboot mostly) 19:14:25 <Emichan> mizmo, are there guidelines/reqs for the splashes? 19:14:28 <mizmo> #action fredpyo to do more iterations 19:14:33 <msourada> I recall I read something bad about F13 anaconda banners -- people seem to think the grayscale at start is depressing... we should probably not do it again... 19:14:38 <mizmo> Emichan, sort of! the best guidelines/reqs are the sources from f13 19:14:45 <mizmo> msourada, yeh i agree 19:14:55 <Emichan> kay, i'll take it from there. 19:15:40 <mizmo> Emichan, let me grab a link for you 19:16:05 <mizmo> Emichan, so they are outlined here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_Artwork#Final_Designs 19:16:11 <mizmo> syslinux, anaconda, firstboot 19:16:28 <Emichan> thx mizmo! :) 19:16:43 <mizmo> Emichan, don't worry aobut the formats for now, work on the best design, and with syslinux i can help you convert it down to 16 colors 19:16:57 <msourada> oh, and mizmo, after you ask poelcat about the slippage, can you also update the dates in wiki (so they're in sync)? Or anyone else volunteering? 19:17:45 <Emichan> mizmo - sounds good. no greyscale, right? ;) 19:17:56 <mizmo> msourada, sure 19:18:05 <mizmo> #action mizmo update dates in wiki if poelcat needs to update them 19:18:13 <mizmo> Emichan, yeppers we don't want to depress folks :) 19:18:20 <mizmo> okay 19:18:22 <mizmo> #topic open floor 19:18:27 <mizmo> does anyone have anything they'd like to bring up 19:18:46 <mizmo> i just did a post on the fedoracommunity.org design today, and the rest of the week i'm going to be focusing a lot more on the www.fedoraproject.org design 19:18:57 <mizmo> (i've been away at linuxcon last week so no progress there since) 19:19:51 <msourada> nothing really, just maybe mention I'm updating a bit the new nodoka designs, help and suggestions from other design team members are welcome :) (ref: http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2010/08/some-progress-on-nodoka.html) 19:20:09 <mizmo> oh i saw that, it is looking very slick msourada 19:20:37 <msourada> mimzo, thanks, I've received mostly positive feedback in the comments as well :) 19:20:41 <Schendje> wow are we changing the anaconda splash? :O 19:20:51 <Emichan> msourada, very nice! :D 19:20:53 <inkscaper> msourada +1 19:21:17 <msourada> thanks folks :D 19:21:38 <finalzone> those colours will be used on future enhancement for installer 19:21:52 <mizmo> Schendje, yeh we update it every release usually 19:21:59 <Emichan> are we planning a gtk theme update for f14? 19:22:07 <Schendje> mizmo, ok i undertand :) 19:22:12 * mizmo isn't aware of a gtk theme update in the works 19:22:18 <Schendje> mizmo, i just think it's sad because it's so beautiful :D 19:22:41 * msourada is reading mizmo's blogpost 19:23:42 <mizmo> lol 19:23:50 <mizmo> i think we need to do another design team bounty soon 19:23:52 <msourada> Emichan, desktop folks are in charge of choosing gtk theme... I hadn't heard anything about moving away from clearlooks... 19:23:54 <mizmo> but im not sure what to do as a bounty yet 19:24:43 <Emichan> msourada, ah ok. seems like a refresh might be nice, but... 19:25:41 <msourada> Emichan, yeah... clearlooks is even older than the current nodoka... Well if we provide them something complete and polished, they might consider it, but sadly we, as the desing team, don't have any power in this area... 19:26:25 <mizmo> it's always worth making a proposal though msourada 19:26:29 <Emichan> msourada, :( 19:26:32 <mizmo> the worse that will happen is mclasen says he'd rather not switch 19:26:55 <msourada> mizmo, about design bounty -- how about something for design suite? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning/Long_Term_Goals 19:26:57 <Emichan> it just looks a bit... retro to me 19:27:11 <finalzone> is there a way to convince mclasen to reconsider 19:27:15 <finalzone> ? 19:27:37 <Emichan> mizmo, did we ever get that Summer Coding t-shirt request filled? or is it too late now? 19:28:07 <obfpen> mizmo, the northam mockup is missing the H (nortam) in its link 19:28:33 <mizmo> Emichan, i'm not sure let me look it up 19:29:02 <mizmo> finalzone, sure, just talk to him :) 19:29:11 <msourada> mizmo, finalzone, well, they switched from nodoka to clearlooks in the past already and since then both current nodoka and current clearlooks looks mostly the same as they did back then... so here's no luck. No sure about murrine or something like that. Would be a refresh, but I don't know about a theme featuring murrine that I'd like more than nodoka or clearlooks 19:29:22 <Emichan> i think that the t-shirt design was mentioned before as a potential bounty 19:29:27 <mizmo> msourada, for that would the ninja write up tasks under each category? 19:29:34 <mizmo> (that might be a bit heavy for a first-timer) 19:30:02 <mizmo> #action mizmo to ask quaid if a t-shirt design is still useful 19:30:11 <mizmo> Emichan, i think it'd be a great task for it, i''ll make sure quaid still needs it 19:30:28 <Emichan> although summer is almost over, i think the request also mentioned possibly being able to reuse the design for other seasonal coding events? 19:30:43 <mizmo> yeh 19:30:51 <Emichan> let's get some more ninjas! can you ever have too many? ;) 19:30:59 <mizmo> i dont think so lol 19:31:05 <msourada> mizmo, I thought something about do some research on available apps, propose workflow and do a tutorial.. but yeah, that's perhpaps too much for a first-timer :( 19:31:06 <mizmo> we need as many as we can get :) 19:31:33 <Emichan> plus, it seems like the design bounty should involve actual design 19:32:14 <Emichan> it's more fun than doing write-ups ;) 19:33:05 <mizmo> yeh 19:33:14 <mizmo> having a nice finished product that can be used as a portfolio piece 19:33:20 <msourada> Emichan, mizmo, hrm, than, how about some icons? E.g. the wiki uses combination of echo and gnome-icon-theme and it would be perhaps good to use either one or another... 19:33:20 <mizmo> i think is an important part of a design bounty 19:33:35 <mizmo> msourada, if it's a pre-defined set of say 20 icons maybe? 19:33:45 <mizmo> but if the person has to go out and hunt the icons needed, i dont think it's suitable for a newcomer 19:34:17 * finalzone is currently enhancing his icons design skill 19:34:49 <msourada> I'm not sure how many. If he'd be going for gnome look, than it would be probably only those on front page, otherwise it would be the warnings/infos... 19:35:08 * mizmo looks at the open tickets 19:36:14 <Emichan> if the t-shirt doesn't work out, maybe we can use some f14 promo material as bounty-bait? 19:36:39 <Emichan> not sure what's needed, but a little extra doesn't hurt... 19:36:58 <mizmo> this might be fun, a release party kit https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/11 19:37:05 <mizmo> to get folks ready for f14 release parties :) 19:37:54 <Emichan> how much work would be involved with that? how many items? 19:38:18 <mizmo> Emichan, i don't think so much and so many 19:38:29 <mizmo> a release party poster template probably 19:38:31 <mizmo> directional signs 19:38:57 <mizmo> maybe little folding signs for tables if you are meeting at a restaurant and want to reserve tables 19:39:22 <Emichan> flyers and invitations too, surely 19:40:10 <mizmo> well the poster can double as a flyer problem 19:40:12 <mizmo> invitations is a great idea 19:40:31 <Emichan> omg party hats! ;) 19:41:17 <Schendje> Emichan, ninja bandanas 19:41:40 <Emichan> Schendje, fedora ninja stars! 19:41:55 <finalzone> needs more kunoichi =p 19:42:14 <mizmo> lol 19:42:17 <mizmo> name badges 19:43:08 <Emichan> balloons, actually... didn't we just do some of those? 19:43:36 <mizmo> yep 19:43:43 <msourada> Emichan, yeah, and they turned up pretty well :) 19:43:45 <Schendje> http://noname.math.vt.edu/swag/SDC10417.JPG :D 19:44:05 <mizmo> i guess the bounty would just consist of producing any missing designs, and maybe linking to the ones that would be helpful that already exist (like the print-ready ballooon pdfs) 19:45:01 <mizmo> well 19:45:07 <mizmo> i think we have two good possibilties for the next bounty now :) 19:45:21 <mizmo> is anybody around looking for some tasks to work on? 19:45:47 <Schendje> mizmo, i still need to start working on join.fpo, but i've also been away 19:46:17 <mizmo> Schendje, i still need to work on the help section :) 19:49:23 <msourada> btw. have you noticed this font? http://blog.symbian.org/2010/06/09/monotype-imaging-contributes-chinese-font-to-symbian-foundation/ 19:50:12 <msourada> I've tried it and it's actually slick, but seems to have some missing glyphs (not sure how obscure kaji those were). Maybe something to consider as using for headlines for CJK? 19:50:38 <msourada> s/kaji/kanji/ 19:50:40 <mizmo> i haven't seen it, but it looks maybe a little sketchy? 19:50:45 <mizmo> like a comic kind of font? 19:50:52 <msourada> A little 19:51:21 <Emichan> it does look a bit hand-written 19:51:59 <finalzone> it appears so 19:52:16 <mizmo> im not sure if a hand written look goes with comfortaa 19:52:24 <Emichan> mizmo, I agree 19:52:46 <Emichan> although it's definitely nice to have different styles of CJK fonts 19:53:03 <mizmo> yeh 19:53:10 <mizmo> it's definitely a font we should try to get packaged 19:53:13 <Emichan> I haven't seen too many that look very different 19:54:46 <finalzone> I may take care of packaging 19:55:10 <finalzone> the name is myuppygb right? 19:55:12 <mizmo> finalzone, that would be awesome :) 19:55:13 <msourada> the problem of CJK is probably the vast amount of used glyphs... it's perhaps too daunting task to design a new CJK font and the old ones are usually not libre... 19:55:22 <mizmo> myuppy it seems 19:55:51 <msourada> MYuppyGB 19:56:12 <finalzone> the SIG fonts are awesome so I might continue to package more fonts in a future 19:57:05 <Emichan> finalzone, great! :D more fonts! \o/ 19:57:32 <msourada> yeah, more fonts, more fun! 19:58:11 <Emichan> btw, has anyone made any progress on gnome-shell theming? 19:59:15 <finalzone> I haven't got a chance yet. I think using Nodoka colour scheme on gnome-shell will be interesting 20:00:52 * finalzone write notes about packaging fonts listed on mizmo blog 20:00:56 <Emichan> I've been playing with it, and there's a log of quirks with the specifics of the css implementation 20:00:59 <msourada> finalzone, btw. for the new nodoka designs I'm basically using grey + blue from echo colour palette... :D 20:01:16 <Emichan> lot of quirks, not log ;) 20:02:15 <finalzone> msourada, awesome. I also really like echo palette I used on some personal project as well 20:03:58 <fabsh_> arrrgh! 20:04:01 <fabsh_> damit! 20:04:08 <fabsh_> i missed the meeting 20:04:10 <fabsh_> fuck!!! 20:04:22 <fabsh_> mizmo: sorry...... :( 20:04:23 <msourada> fabsh_ an hour late? :D 20:04:36 <mizmo> fabsh_, its okay 20:04:41 <mizmo> fabsh_, we're still logging 20:04:42 <fabsh_> friend called and had me go through her job application 20:04:45 <mizmo> fabsh_, the supplemental wallpaper deadline is thurs 20:04:51 <fabsh_> i know 20:05:03 <fabsh_> i still have about half a dozen to put in 20:05:08 <fabsh_> will do that asap 20:05:20 <fabsh_> i think the amount looks pretty good 20:05:54 <fabsh_> managable as well 20:06:10 <finalzone> it is, there were a lot of pictures for wallpapers it was hard to choose one 20:06:11 <mizmo> kk 20:06:13 <mizmo> :) 20:07:36 <fabsh_> have we decided how many we want? 20:14:26 <mizmo> fabsh, nope 20:14:27 <mizmo> :) 20:14:33 <mizmo> i think how many we want may be a factor of how many we got 20:14:45 <fabsh> ok, i guess we can do that after the deadline 20:15:12 <fabsh> when are we planning to have the voting? 20:15:34 <mizmo> let me look 20:15:37 * Schendje is leaving now, bye all! :) 20:15:49 <finalzone> see you, Schendje 20:15:57 <fabsh> Schendje: seeya 20:16:10 <mizmo> Thu 19-Aug Thu 19-Aug Select Official Supplemental Wallpaper 20:16:11 <mizmo> Fri 20-Aug Fri 03-Sep Verify Supplemental Wallpaper Licenses 20:16:24 <mizmo> i think we practically have until sept 3 20:16:32 <fabsh> ah ok 20:16:36 <mizmo> so i think we should maybe talk through the wallpapers next meeting 20:16:40 <mizmo> which is tues aug 24 20:16:48 <mizmo> that'll give us time to get 'em packaged and verify licenses 20:16:48 <fabsh> i wont be available on the 20th, thats my birthday 20:16:54 <mizmo> okie doke 20:16:59 <mizmo> i can run the process if you dont mind 20:17:04 <mizmo> or we could move the meeting that week 20:17:06 <mizmo> to wed or mon 20:17:08 <fabsh> and i'm leaving for two weeks to italy on the 29th 20:17:08 <sijis> is meeting still running? 20:17:29 <fabsh> i can do tuesday 20:17:32 <mizmo> sijis, i need to stop the bot 20:17:39 <mizmo> tuesday aug 24 20:17:43 <fabsh> 24th looks good to me 20:17:45 <fabsh> yeah 20:17:46 <mizmo> sweet 20:17:49 <mizmo> #endmeeting