19:08:09 <ianweller> #startmeeting Design Team Weekly Meeting
19:08:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun 15 19:08:09 2010 UTC.  The chair is ianweller. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:08:14 <ianweller> #chair mizmo
19:08:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: ianweller mizmo
19:08:19 <ianweller> #topic roll call
19:08:21 * ianweller 
19:08:22 <nicubunu> first item IIRC, checking the f14 artwork status
19:08:43 <ianweller> who all is here
19:08:46 * msourada is present
19:08:48 <Schendje> i am :)
19:08:51 * nicubunu present
19:08:52 <fabsh> hello
19:08:58 * finalzone is present
19:09:01 <Schendje> (how do i do the * thing?)
19:09:05 <inkscaper> hi all!
19:09:06 * mbenitez mbenitez hello all!
19:09:08 <Schendje> * is irc noob :(
19:09:11 <ianweller> Schendje: /me
19:09:17 <kylebaker> hey
19:09:18 * pcon waves
19:09:18 * wonderer just plowing through ... have some work to do, sorry...
19:09:20 * Schendje thanks ianweller
19:09:27 <ianweller> if you roll in later, just say hi
19:09:32 <nicubunu> agenda:http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-June/002629.html
19:09:35 <ianweller> #topic new www.fpo design for F14
19:09:39 <ianweller> who's on this one?
19:09:56 <fabsh> sorry, no idea about that
19:10:18 <nicubunu> mizmo is owning that IIRC
19:10:38 <ianweller> ok we'll wait on her, if she shows
19:10:54 <ianweller> #topic F14 schedule - reminders about upcoming deadlines
19:11:20 <ianweller> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork#Key_Milestones
19:11:22 <fabsh> oops....
19:11:58 <ianweller> so just a reminder that the concepts submission deadline is July 6, which is three weeks from today
19:12:06 <ianweller> and that's for the main wallpaper
19:12:14 <nicubunu> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-design-tasks.html
19:12:19 <fabsh> i won't be joining in, too much on my plate ATM
19:12:44 <nicubunu> we had something nice from jaymeayres
19:13:02 <ianweller> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork_Theme_Concepts
19:13:19 <ianweller> so, if you would like to submit another concept, you still have three weeks.
19:13:22 <ianweller> anything more on this subject?
19:13:32 <ianweller> from the mo email:
19:13:33 <ianweller> "-- We need some guidelines / writeup for the supplemental wallpaper
19:13:33 <ianweller> process. It should include licensing & theme guidance and maybe some
19:13:34 <ianweller> general what-makes-a-good-wallpaper guidelines. "
19:13:47 <fabsh> i am on that one
19:13:52 <ianweller> ok cool
19:13:53 <fabsh> just tell me where it has to go
19:14:04 <fabsh> and point me to someone i can ask for help
19:14:16 <ianweller> #action fabsh guidelines for supplemental wallpaper process
19:14:19 <nicubunu> fabsh: an independent wiki page, we will probably reuse it for later releases
19:14:19 <ianweller> fabsh: we can talk after the meeting
19:14:19 <kylebaker> I think something basic not too indepth
19:14:31 <nicubunu> fabsh: as the rules will be generic
19:14:37 <fabsh> ianweller nicubunu thanks
19:14:44 <fabsh> makes sense
19:14:59 <fabsh> i can do that. i'll chase it up and write up a page draft
19:14:59 <ianweller> also, ""-- New script for collecting supplemental wallpapers
19:15:00 <ianweller> -- We need someone to own feedback collection for the F14 artwork
19:15:12 <fabsh> i know nothing about that, sorry
19:15:29 <ianweller> what's the current method of receiving feedback on F14 artwork? just design-team@?
19:15:41 <nicubunu> also comments on blogs
19:15:54 <ianweller> ok.
19:16:01 <daniel_berryhill> which blogs?
19:16:10 <ianweller> daniel_berryhill: blogs on planet that mention the artwork
19:16:12 <nicubunu> known members of the team
19:16:15 <msourada> mizmo knows about the script...
19:16:27 <nicubunu> usually when mizmo blogs she get the most replies
19:16:29 <fabsh> i guessed that
19:16:37 <nicubunu> compared with me or msourada at least...
19:16:57 <daniel_berryhill> Okay, I just wanted to know where to look!
19:17:11 <nicubunu> planet and FWN
19:17:16 <ianweller> daniel_berryhill: do you want to take this on? :)
19:17:24 <nicubunu> i usually report those posts on FWN
19:17:28 <daniel_berryhill> Collecting feedback?
19:17:47 <ianweller> daniel_berryhill: yeah
19:17:54 <ianweller> nicubunu: good to know :)
19:18:18 <daniel_berryhill> I could handle that, but I'm not very familiar with the places to gather feedback.
19:18:54 <ianweller> nicubunu or msourada: would either of you mind helping daniel_berryhill with the process?
19:19:14 <nicubunu> daniel_berryhill: the mailing lists, comments on our blogs and other people's blogs
19:19:31 <daniel_berryhill> Okay, I can probably handle that.
19:19:44 <daniel_berryhill> Is it still okay if I submit some designs?
19:19:54 <ianweller> sure
19:20:03 <nicubunu> maybe fedoraforum.org, but in the past didn't have much luck with that
19:21:07 <ianweller> anything more on this topic?
19:21:22 <fabsh> not from me
19:21:30 <fabsh> will give news on my progress next week
19:21:36 <finalzone> perhaps Adamw might give a hand for design feedback
19:22:01 <ianweller> we'll move on then, if there's anything more we can bring it up at the open floor at the end.
19:22:10 <nicubunu> so finalzone has to talk with adamw
19:22:26 <finalzone> I will
19:22:32 <ianweller> #action finalzone to talk to adamw for design feedback
19:22:43 <ianweller> #action daniel_berryhill to handle feedback collection for F14 artwork
19:22:50 * ianweller pulls up the trac queue
19:23:23 <ianweller> #topic trac queue
19:23:28 <ianweller> we have... a *lot* of open tickets.
19:23:46 <nicubunu> we had the students helping a bit with cleaning
19:23:52 <daniel_berryhill> We need to clear some of them.  Most them have already had the work done.
19:24:18 <nicubunu> but lacking feedback from the requester
19:24:27 <kylebaker> I think it will be easier when we get the fedora design website up
19:24:29 <notKlaatu> i believe in the past i have done some of those tickets (could have been something else) and tried to turn those in, but never heard back from the person who issued them.
19:24:45 <daniel_berryhill> Yeah.  That's what I mean.
19:25:01 <notKlaatu> ah sorry was typing didn't see what you'd said.
19:25:14 <nicubunu> were those tickets imported from the wiki?
19:25:31 <notKlaatu> asking me?  yes, i believe so
19:25:33 <wonderer> there she is ;-)
19:26:13 <ianweller> a few were, but i remember doing that by hand and there weren't *that* many
19:26:41 <nicubunu> anyway, i think we may start closing very old tickets
19:26:43 <ianweller> i would be one for saying that if something has been done and waiting for feedback for three months, we just go ahead and close it.
19:26:52 <ianweller> they can reopen it if they want...
19:27:03 <wonderer> +1
19:27:07 <fabsh> sounds good
19:27:15 <finalzone> +1
19:27:20 <msourada> +1
19:27:21 <nicubunu> issue a warning and then close them after 2 weeks is the requester does not reply
19:27:23 <notKlaatu> sounds quite reasonable.
19:27:41 <msourada> +1 to nicubunu
19:27:42 <fabsh> +1
19:27:48 <ianweller> nicubunu: on all tickets older than 3 months, including ones that aren't done?
19:28:31 <notKlaatu> no just the ones that are done but have no feedback from owner.
19:28:32 <nicubunu> maybe a bit longer for those without activity from the team?
19:28:51 <ianweller> as a "do you still need this"
19:28:56 <ianweller> 6 months?
19:28:56 <pcon> i would still update all the ones that have had no activity for over 3 months
19:29:02 <pcon> there may not be any need any more for it
19:29:08 <mizmo> whoah
19:29:09 <mizmo> hum
19:29:13 <ianweller> hi mizmo :)
19:29:14 <mizmo> was there a netsplit?
19:29:19 <ianweller> you pinged out
19:29:37 <mizmo> http://fpaste.org/ege0/
19:29:42 <mizmo> weird
19:29:53 <ianweller> whoa.
19:29:55 <mizmo> all righty then
19:30:04 * ianweller gets what happened so far for mizmo
19:30:13 <mizmo> is the meetingbot thing running?
19:30:16 <ianweller> yup
19:30:25 <mizmo> okay cool
19:30:33 <mizmo> sorry guys i guess i fail at irc
19:30:35 <ianweller> we're on trac tickets
19:31:01 <mizmo> cool
19:31:08 <mizmo> did the emea fudcon one get closed out?
19:31:11 <mizmo> that was the last ticket we talked about
19:31:28 <nicubunu> ianweller started it
19:31:31 <ianweller> #126?
19:31:39 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/126
19:31:40 <mizmo> yep
19:32:32 <mizmo> so the last status i have on that ticket
19:32:38 <mizmo> is from june 7
19:32:39 <mizmo> from marcus
19:32:40 <mizmo> http://www.santafetex.com/
19:32:40 <mizmo> I tried to contact them but did not get an answer *yet.
19:32:40 <mizmo> Do you think it could also be an option to print the shirts in the USA
19:32:40 <mizmo> and to deliver them to Switzerland afterwards?
19:32:40 <mizmo> What would be the costs per shirt?
19:32:47 <mizmo> i dont know if that is an option or not though
19:33:28 <mizmo> so ill email him back now and ask if he got in touch with them
19:34:11 <nicubunu> i expect the organizers to be able to find a good printing place locally... they won a bid after all...
19:34:33 <mizmo> they complained that the design was printed on the side of the shirt
19:34:40 <mizmo> but i told them most printers will do this if they silk screen
19:34:44 <kylebaker> how many do they generally get printed
19:34:47 <mizmo> but they didnt seem comfortable asking the printers for that?
19:34:58 <mizmo> it depends kylebaker, i think 100 for fudcon boston last time i printed them
19:35:06 <nicubunu> kylebaker: enough for those who pre-register
19:35:07 <mizmo> we usually have a registration wiki page so we know exactly how many shirts
19:35:23 <nicubunu> probably 100-150
19:35:44 <kylebaker> Not enough to get the great online deals
19:36:00 <kylebaker> you need 1000's
19:36:02 <mizmo> yeh
19:36:10 <mizmo> well okay
19:36:14 <mizmo> so i updated that ticket
19:36:49 <mizmo> lets grab another ticket
19:36:56 <mizmo> we'll try to do one new ticket a week per meeting
19:37:59 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/55
19:38:10 <mizmo> this is for GSoC ribbon/badges for hackergotchi
19:38:20 <mizmo> we usually have badges for hackergotchi for events, summer of code, things like that
19:38:29 <mizmo> i think we should make this ticket instead to make a template for hackergotchi ribbons
19:38:40 <mizmo> so someone could install modata, open up the template, and make the badge say whatever they need
19:38:42 <mizmo> what do you think?
19:38:46 <mizmo> does anyone want to take the ticket?
19:39:14 <Schendje> i can
19:39:21 <mizmo> Schendje, awesome!
19:39:25 <Schendje> ..i think! :)
19:39:33 <mizmo> oh btw i dont know if you guys talked about this before but Schendje did an awesome job on the biweekly design bounty :)
19:39:53 <mizmo> does anyone have ideas for the next biweekly design bounty?
19:39:54 <nicubunu> Schendje: ask for help on the list if needed
19:40:04 <Schendje> nicubunu: will do!
19:40:18 <Schendje> one thing though
19:40:26 <Schendje> do we need these fast?
19:40:30 <nicubunu> mizmo: something from the queue?
19:40:36 <mizmo> Schendje, there's no rush on the hackergotchi banners
19:40:41 <Schendje> cause i will be out of order until wednesday next week
19:40:45 <Schendje> oh ok :)
19:40:46 <nicubunu> Schendje: no, as we are not in gsoc
19:40:50 <mizmo> Schendje, the first thing you'll want to do though is claim the ticket and write a little note that you'll be working on it
19:40:53 <mizmo> do you know how to do that?
19:41:01 <Schendje> no
19:41:17 <Schendje> but ill look it up and otherwise ask
19:41:20 <Schendje> no problem
19:41:27 <mizmo> Schendje, first you have to log into trac. there's a red login link in the upper right corner: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/55
19:41:45 <zodbot> Ticket notification - designteam: Ticket #126 (task closed): FUDCon EMEA 2010 <https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/126#comment:6>
19:41:51 <mizmo> Schendje, once you are logged in, there is a 'reassign to:' radio button on the bottom. check it, and put your fedora user account name there
19:42:43 <mizmo> Schendje, and hit submit and it should be assigned to you
19:42:50 <Schendje> ok, thanks
19:43:19 <mizmo> okay
19:43:25 <mizmo> so one idea i had for the next design team bounty
19:43:32 <mizmo> was these slides robyn put together (very very quickly):
19:43:45 <mizmo> http://wordshack.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/marketing-slides-on-the-fly/
19:44:31 <mizmo> maybe its too challenging for a first try at fedora though
19:45:44 <mizmo> does anybody have anything else they'd like to bring up?
19:46:02 <wonderer> I think its not only to update THAT deck of slides ... maybe its about thinking to put some ideas on which graphics, photos *hint* and Design-Templates we can build for each Release cycle.
19:46:05 <fabsh> nope, I'm all out. got enough work scheduled :)
19:46:15 <mizmo> wonderer, yeh exactly
19:46:22 <mizmo> fabsh, are you going to be working on the supplemental wallpaper stuff?
19:46:28 <mizmo> fabsh, there is a new script that rigeld2 wrote for us
19:46:42 <wonderer> only some "background", nothing more. It also would lead to "the archive" I / we have in mind for quite a while.
19:46:50 <mizmo> so you just give the script a csv with all the URLs of the photos, photo license, description, author, and it auto uploads them to the wiki all at once
19:47:03 <mizmo> wonderer, it should be generic enough we could use it at any event
19:47:10 <mizmo> there was one we had for fudcon berlin remember that?
19:47:15 <mizmo> we had it on the projector up on the wall
19:47:17 <fabsh> mizmo: yep
19:47:20 * mizmo wonders what happend to it
19:47:30 <mizmo> fabsh, do you need a copy of the script?
19:47:36 <fabsh> mizmo: haven't heard the details on the script at all
19:47:45 <fabsh> sure, that would be ace
19:47:48 <mizmo> fabsh, okay ill send out an email on it and include a copy
19:47:56 <fabsh> awesome! thanks! :)
19:48:12 <mizmo> fabsh, basically all folks need to provide us to sumbit a wallpaper is the full resolution photo URL, their name & email address, the title of the photo, and the license of the photo
19:48:21 <kylebaker> great work to jaymeayres on the wallpaper
19:48:28 <wonderer> mizmo: yeah I used that one for some presentations... but also for other slides we need pictures and generit graphics which only should be "upgraded" to the new release. That can save time ;-)
19:48:32 <mizmo> fabsh, if you start asking for that from would-be submitters, and keep it in a spreadsheet, it'll make it easy to pull them in
19:48:44 <fabsh> mizmo: ok, will do
19:49:07 <fabsh> I will write up the wiki page on that this week
19:49:11 <mizmo> sweet
19:49:17 <mizmo> all right
19:49:27 <mizmo> wonderer, do you have a copy of that slide deck?
19:49:38 <mizmo> wonderer, i think if we make the presentation a design team bounty, it would be a good resource to include the berlin deck
19:49:41 <wonderer> mizmo: not now. will look for it.
19:49:46 <mizmo> wonderer, okay great
19:49:49 <mizmo> any other business?
19:50:11 <mizmo> (im sorry this isnt going so smoothly today, i had a 2:30 meeting run over and then network issues) :(
19:50:24 <mizmo> okay cool i think we're good then
19:50:29 <mizmo> #stopmeeting
19:50:38 <fabsh> no worries. i am slightly distracted myself by brazil winning
19:50:39 <nicubunu> mizmo: we skipped the first item since it was yours
19:50:47 <mizmo> oh we can go back
19:50:49 <nicubunu> www.fp.o design
19:50:57 <mizmo> oh right
19:50:58 <mizmo> so that,
19:51:12 <wonderer> :)
19:51:18 <mizmo> im going to be crazy for the next two weeks, we have the Red Hat Summit event next week and im doing a lot of stuff for that
19:51:25 <mizmo> so around june 28 :)
19:51:35 <mizmo> im going to be spending a lot of time on a www.fpo redesign
19:51:41 <mizmo> ive been talking to sijis from websites team about it
19:51:48 <mizmo> our website isn't very impressive,
19:51:53 <wonderer> mizmo: do not forget to poke paul for shooting some pics!!!
19:52:06 <mizmo> it was first designed to be a small set of static pages that don't take up a lot of KB so we didn't get slashdotted during releases
19:52:15 <nicubunu> mizmo: the front page really needs love
19:52:24 <mizmo> our bandwidth is a bit better now, but the website is still pretty sparse and not really impressive especially compared to otehr distros
19:52:32 <fabsh> mizmo: i agree
19:52:36 <mizmo> so far, on the website front, we have the new spins.fpo
19:52:38 <mizmo> and the new get.fpo
19:52:53 <mizmo> but i think the whole theme needs a new look, the template/frame around the site
19:52:53 <kylebaker> it should be sparse but very easy to use/dl
19:53:06 <nicubunu> i think the very first page everyone sees is important
19:53:08 <mizmo> the front page needs more content so people know what fedora is and might want to download it
19:53:17 <mizmo> a download button on the front page i think would be a good addition too
19:53:21 <wonderer> mizmo stickster: http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/en/presse/bildmaterial.html take a look at that ...we need pics of THAT quality ...
19:53:42 <mizmo> wonderer, im going to have my camera there so ill do my best to get photos of the fedora booht
19:53:48 <kylebaker> right explanation and easy way to download
19:53:52 <nicubunu> wonderer: we need to carry our gear at the event...
19:54:03 <mizmo> i think for the www.fpo redesign, first thing i want to do is a little 'post mortem' of the new get.fpo design
19:54:08 <mizmo> see what worked, what didn't, what we can learn
19:54:20 <mizmo> then start outlining the content for the site
19:54:34 <mizmo> and start mocking up some new templates and wiki / blog them to get feedback
19:54:41 <mizmo> so if anybody is interested in helping out
19:54:41 <nicubunu> wonderer: and need a few of us workinf as a team for each photo
19:54:42 <stickster> mizmo: wonderer: I will try to take pics too, but like mizmo I'll be pretty busy :-)
19:54:48 <notKlaatu> there was some pro-looking photographer at SELF.  i can inquire about what is happening to those photos and see if i could get some of the fedora related stuff.
19:54:54 <wonderer> mizmo: please have a quick look at http://www.braincache.de/wp/2010/04/08/better-event-photos/ and http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/en/presse/bildmaterial.html befor the summit so you all have an idea of the look & feel.
19:54:56 <mizmo> the www.fpo redesign is gonna go full speed starting the end of june so watch for it :)
19:55:00 <mizmo> wonderer, sure
19:55:08 <mizmo> okay folks i gotta run to my next meeting
19:55:13 <wonderer> nicubunu: shure!
19:55:14 <mizmo> does anybody know how to turn the meetingbot off? it's ignoring me
19:55:33 <mizmo> notKlaatu, that would be awesome
19:55:39 <wonderer> mizmo: and poke stickster that he sends me the presskit :-)
19:56:09 <wonderer> mizmo: i think endmeeting...
19:56:13 <mizmo> #endmeeting