19:04:56 <mizmo> #startmeeting
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19:05:00 <mizmo> yay! okay
19:05:02 <maxamillion> wild
19:05:04 <msourada> cool
19:05:06 <wonderer> Ok, here we go...
19:05:09 <mizmo> so we have 60 minutes and 6 topics
19:05:15 <mizmo> #topic agenda
19:05:28 <mizmo> so let's give each topic 10 minutes
19:05:31 <mizmo> here's the topics:
19:05:36 <mizmo> #1: F14 artwork schedule
19:05:48 <mizmo> #2: LGM
19:05:53 <mizmo> #3: F14 artwork concepts
19:06:04 <mizmo> #4: design team ticket queue - especially EMEA shirt design
19:06:14 <mizmo> #5: design collaboration tools
19:06:20 <mizmo> #6: new www.fpo website
19:06:35 <mizmo> so some of these topics i thought were worth brining up (5 & 6) but if we dont get to them it's cool
19:06:37 <maxamillion> #info Topic item #1 - F14 artwork schedule
19:06:45 <mizmo> #topic F14 artwork schedule
19:06:51 <maxamillion> #info Topic item #2 - LGM
19:07:00 <mizmo> so poelcat drew up a schedule for us for F14 based on the F13 schedule:
19:07:00 <mizmo> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-design-tasks.html
19:07:09 <mizmo> has anyone had a chance to look at it?
19:07:10 <maxamillion> #info Topic item #3 - F14 artwork concepts
19:07:20 <maxamillion> (sorry, just doing this so the bot will pick them up)
19:07:22 <msourada> and we have key milestones without dates here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork#Key_Milestones
19:07:26 <mizmo> does anyone have concerns about how the schedule went for f13 that we should use to tweak f14's?
19:07:27 * tw2113 passes out clean koolaid and cookies
19:07:36 <maxamillion> #info Topic item #4 - design team ticket queue - especially EMEA shirt design
19:07:43 <mizmo> (thanks maxamillion)
19:07:54 <wonderer> timeline looks good for me so far.
19:07:56 <maxamillion> #info Topic item #5 - design collaboration tools
19:07:59 <tatica> me too
19:08:04 <msourada> I went quickly through poelcat's one and matched some of the dates
19:08:15 <mizmo> i was really really happy with how f13 went this time
19:08:19 <maxamillion> #info Topic item #6 - new www.fpo website
19:08:25 <msourada> yeah, it went rather good
19:08:36 <mizmo> more folks than ever pitched in i think
19:08:41 <msourada> yup
19:08:42 <mizmo> so we need to keep it up :)
19:08:43 <tw2113> lots of collaboration one single products instead of everyone doing their own thing
19:08:47 <mizmo> getting artwork in the alpha was a huge win
19:08:51 <fabsh> looked good to me, but i just started ;)
19:08:55 <msourada> yeah, totally
19:09:23 <mizmo> does anyone want to volunteer to copy the dates from poelcat's schedule (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-design-tasks.html) to the team wiki milestones page? (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork#Key_Milestones)
19:09:26 <nicubunu> so we want again artwork in alpha and final wallpaper in beta
19:09:29 <maxamillion> tw2113: +1
19:09:42 <mizmo> nicubunu, i think so, then we have a lot more time to get to all the collateral
19:09:52 <finalzone> the schedule looks good enough. of course design can be tweaked should delay occur.
19:09:57 <mizmo> would be even better to get the anaconda and firstboot artwork in the beta too
19:10:04 <msourada> mizmo, I done some of the in them privately, I'll start posting the dates now and we can check them, right?
19:10:22 <finalzone> also is the .ics available for Thunderbird?
19:10:23 <mizmo> msourada, sounds good!
19:10:24 <tatica> I can copy/paste the schedule
19:10:38 <msourada> Ok, starting with wallpapers timeline:
19:10:41 <mizmo> finalzone, i think poelcat can make that happen ill ask him
19:10:46 <msourada> Concepts submission deadline — 2010-07-06
19:10:55 <mizmo> #action mizmo to talk to poelcat to figure out what the ICS url is for the F14 artwork schedule
19:11:09 <finalzone> ok mizmo
19:11:11 <fabsh> is that yyyy-mm-dd?
19:11:18 <msourada> yup
19:11:27 <finalzone> international standard
19:11:28 <fabsh> ok, just making sure. thanks!
19:11:30 <mizmo> tatica, it looks like msourada is working on it
19:11:36 <fabsh> you never know... ;)
19:11:42 <tatica> jeje, I can see :D
19:11:49 <mizmo> #action msourada to copy F14 artwork schedule dates from peolcat's schedule to the f14 artwork wiki page
19:12:00 * liknus sorry for being late
19:12:09 <msourada> hi liknus
19:12:14 <liknus> hi all!
19:12:16 <mizmo> liknus, it's all good! we were just talking about the f14 artwork schedule and how things went in f13
19:12:23 * finalzone is greeting liknus
19:12:27 <liknus> nice nice :)
19:12:33 <mizmo> okay does anyone have any other schedule-related points to bring up?
19:12:43 <msourada> Southern_Gentlem, the "concept submission deadline" matches end of "conceptual design phase"
19:13:19 <mizmo> okay let's move on to the next topic then :)
19:13:20 <msourada> I'd like to discuss a bit the alpha wallpapers deadline.
19:13:22 <mizmo> oh okay
19:13:24 <mizmo> sure
19:13:32 <msourada> mizmo, not just only that :D
19:14:00 <mizmo> looks like the final date for the alpha wallpaper is 3 Aug 2010
19:14:14 <msourada> ok, so to the deadline: I suggest we push it a little bit back. It's set on the same date as packaging now, but that takes a while (making the package, doing the review, ...)
19:14:46 <msourada> I think about 3 or 4 days should be enough
19:14:51 <msourada> anyone against that?
19:14:57 <tw2113> +1
19:15:01 <nicubunu> +1
19:15:03 <mizmo> msourada, so if we make the wallpaper due July 31 so you have a few days to do packaging?
19:15:05 <finalzone> +1
19:15:10 <wonderer> msourada: +3...4 or -3...4
19:15:16 <mizmo> maybe july 30 would be better
19:15:16 <msourada> mizmo, yep
19:15:21 <mizmo> july 30 is a friday
19:15:24 <msourada> cool
19:15:34 <mizmo> cool sounds like a reasonable change to me
19:15:37 <wonderer> Ok, july 30 sound good.
19:15:42 <msourada> so seems noone is against, /me jots it down
19:15:51 <wonderer> +1
19:15:53 <mizmo> #agreed move deadline for wallpaper to July 30 to give msourade more time for packaging
19:16:03 <msourada> next is the Gathering feedback for Alpha wallpapers
19:16:06 <mizmo> (sorry about the typo)
19:16:26 <mizmo> we have the blog about alpha on Aug 3
19:16:27 <msourada> it obviously starts at the same date as the packaging of the wallpapers, the question is the end.
19:16:37 <mizmo> then beta is due, Sep 7
19:16:51 <mizmo> (i think again we should move sep 7 back a few days so you have time to package)
19:17:12 <mizmo> should we add another task specifically for feedback gathering?
19:17:36 <mizmo> if the blog post goes out aug 3, and the wallpaper is due say sep 3, then we should gather feedback until maybe no later than mid-august
19:17:50 <mizmo> 2 weeks to give feedback should be plenty of time, and that gives us at least 2 weeks to tweak the beta design in response
19:18:11 <msourada> yeah, sounds reasonable, maybe coincide it with the Prepare wallpaper for Beta start? (2010-08-17)
19:18:19 <mizmo> sounds great
19:18:26 <tw2113> i've been doing lots of social media networking lately and follow a lot of designers on twitter/identica, perhaps I could gather up some professional-ish feedback from them as well
19:18:31 <tw2113> not just linux followers
19:18:39 <mizmo> #agreed add new gather feedback task to the f14 artwork schedule: start 3 aug 2010, end 17 aug 2010
19:18:44 <msourada> tw2113, sounds great
19:18:46 <mizmo> tw2113, that would be amazing
19:18:51 <mizmo> yeh we should do more than just the blog tbh
19:18:55 <fabsh> tw2113: care to share that list somewhere?
19:19:06 <msourada> ok, next are the supplementary wallpapers
19:19:08 <fabsh> i'd like to follow them as well
19:19:12 <mizmo> blog, fedora forum, fedora-users list, identi.ca... maybe deviant art?
19:19:16 <msourada> basically we don't have any dates for that set
19:19:21 <tw2113> look at my following/follower list on those accounts
19:19:24 <mizmo> oh wait msourada
19:19:25 <tw2113> mostly twitter admittedly
19:19:26 <msourada> ok
19:19:33 <mizmo> we'll push the date for the beta wallpaper to give you packaging time too right?
19:19:35 <fabsh> tw2113: ok, will do thanks
19:20:05 <mizmo> right now it's sep-07, that's a tuesday, we'll move it back to the friday before, sep-03?
19:20:14 <msourada> I need more time only for the initial packaging, updating takes about day or so, but it's harder when there's freeze (we need to gather positive karma) :D
19:20:24 <mizmo> oh okay
19:20:34 <mizmo> so does sep 07 work then msourada?
19:20:40 <msourada> yup
19:20:44 <mizmo> okay cool no change then
19:20:54 <mizmo> let me note the social networking expansion
19:21:14 <mizmo> #agreed need to gather feedback for alpha wallpaper not just via blog - twitter/identi.ca, forums, users list, etc.
19:21:25 <mizmo> okay next scehdule concern, we need a supplementary wallpaper task added
19:21:27 <fabsh> i can help with that if needed
19:21:31 <mizmo> we definitely dont want to miss those
19:21:37 <maxamillion> does the artwork package get tagged as critpath-gnome?
19:21:39 <mizmo> fabsh that would be awesome :)
19:21:52 <mizmo> maxamillion, im not sure :( the thing is the package is a new package / new name every release....
19:22:06 <nicubunu> the supplementary wallpapers item is NOT dependent on anything
19:22:16 <maxamillion> mizmo: right, but as I understand it critpath is a moving target up until the freeze
19:22:16 <mizmo> yeh
19:22:31 <msourada> maxamillion, yup. It's in because of deps from gnome-desktop
19:22:40 <mizmo> i guess it would be good to get the supplementary wallpapers in time for beta just in case
19:22:51 <nicubunu> +1
19:22:55 <mizmo> there's a few tasks associated with the supplementals -
19:23:00 <mizmo> #1 gather potential wallpapers
19:23:10 <mizmo> #2 whittle potentials down to a select few (maybe 6-8?)
19:23:17 <maxamillion> msourada: ok, then there might need to be some coordination planning with the proventesters group for quick push through on the package since it will need the critpath "blessing"
19:23:20 <mizmo> #3 verify wallpaper licenses with authors / contact authors to thank them
19:23:23 <mizmo> #4 get 'em packaged
19:23:28 <stickster> maxamillion: I think content-only packages may be treated differently -- for example, fedora-release-notes might be in that category too
19:23:35 <maxamillion> stickster: ahhh ok
19:23:36 <msourada> maxamillion, ah yes
19:23:49 <stickster> maxamillion: msourada: Definitely deserves some clarification though
19:23:51 <maxamillion> stickster: hadn't thought about the code vs. content bit
19:23:56 <maxamillion> I *
19:23:56 * stickster eof, sorry mizmo
19:24:09 * maxamillion apparently also is uncapable of typing
19:24:21 <mizmo> does some one want to take up the task of figuring out the critpath issue?
19:24:26 <msourada> ok, so for #4 we want probably the same date as beta package - i.e. 2010-09-07
19:24:30 <maxamillion> mizmo: I will
19:24:34 <mizmo> cool thanks maxamillion
19:24:38 <maxamillion> anytime :)
19:24:39 <stickster> maxamillion++
19:24:41 <msourada> mizmo ^^ (my message)
19:24:54 <mizmo> #action figure out critpath blessing for artwork packages in f14
19:24:58 <mizmo> msourada, that seems reasonable
19:25:12 <mizmo> i think for contact with the artists we need to allow at least a week if not more, they can be hard to get in touch with
19:25:23 <msourada> now the question are the other three. How much time we want to leave for #2 and #3?
19:25:23 <mizmo> im not sure how we will do the selection for the wallpapers
19:25:33 <mizmo> i dont know if we really want to do a vote....
19:25:56 <nicubunu> the person coordinating the supplementals can work in parallel with the process for default graphics
19:26:01 <nicubunu> mizmo: set a coordinator and it's his/her call
19:26:02 <mizmo> i can tell you how we did it for RHEL if it helps -
19:26:09 <msourada> Southern_Gentlem, for #3 leave about, say 10 days?
19:26:17 <mizmo> we had four people involved in the process create flickr galleries of their favorites
19:26:17 <msourada> sorry, that was for mizmo
19:26:20 <mizmo> then we met and talked about them
19:26:30 <fabsh> nicubunu: maybe also have some input on the mailing list?
19:26:39 <mizmo> and there was one coordinator who picked the final set, he ended up using a few from each person's gallery
19:26:44 <mizmo> are we okay with using flickr for this process?
19:26:56 <mizmo> it's closed source :( and they can be jerks about accounts
19:27:04 <nicubunu> fabsh,: surelu, to it transparently, maybe have a 3 people group making the call
19:27:07 <mizmo> but it's really easy to create galleries of cc-licensed images there
19:27:19 <fabsh> nicubunu: +1
19:27:22 <mizmo> is anyone here today willing to be the coordinator for the supplemental wallpapers?
19:27:26 <nicubunu> i'm not happy with flickr
19:27:45 <mizmo> okay let's not use flickr then
19:27:47 <nicubunu> too bad we don't have tha gallery instance running any more
19:27:49 <finalzone> is there an open source alternative for flickr?
19:27:59 <nicubunu> but we can use the wiki
19:28:05 <mizmo> well gallery would be hard to use too... i mean really we could send around emails or wiki pages with the URLs to graphics we like
19:28:07 <nicubunu> there won't be many images
19:28:16 <daniel_berryhill> what about picassa?
19:28:23 <mizmo> but it's hard to review - you have to look through the images one-by-one by clicking on the links, or the submitter has to upload every single image manually
19:28:36 <mizmo> can mediawiki galleries display remote images?
19:28:40 <fabsh> picasa is just as closed, right?
19:28:40 * mizmo didn't think they could
19:28:49 <mizmo> does picasa run on linux?
19:28:55 <nicubunu> daniel_berryhill: picasa is the same thing as flickr, same downsides
19:29:14 <nicubunu> picasa = picasaweb
19:29:20 <mizmo> ah okay
19:29:31 <mizmo> oh let me do this real quick
19:29:33 <msourada> i'd go the wiki way
19:29:34 <mizmo> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork#Key_Milestones
19:29:41 <mizmo> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-design-tasks.html
19:29:48 * mizmo learning the wonders of zodbot :)
19:29:53 <mizmo> okay cool
19:29:53 <wonderer> I would wish we can have all in the wiki. That would be ONE place for all...
19:29:56 <mizmo> let's do the wiki then
19:30:10 <mizmo> it would be really nice if the wiki could display remote images... maybe there is a way to make it happen
19:30:22 <mizmo> so.... do we have any volunteers to coordinate the supplemental wallpapers? :)
19:30:31 <mizmo> how many do we think we need? 6-8 I'm thinking?
19:30:41 <msourada> yeah, that sounds reasonable
19:30:52 <nicubunu> i don't think i am fit for selecting, as i may send image proposals
19:30:56 <mizmo> #agreed 6-8 wallpapers for the supplemental wallpaper set
19:31:08 <kambu> (total newbie asks): why not distribute wallpapers in aplha and pick the default from there?
19:31:31 <mizmo> #agreed supplemental wallpaper packaging due date should be 2010-09-07
19:31:32 <tw2113> this is not for the default kambu
19:31:33 <msourada> I'm not very confident about selecting either. Maybe we could go through the set on a IRC meeting?
19:31:40 <kambu> ah ok
19:31:43 <nicubunu> kambu: because we don't have a way  to measure wallpaper usage
19:31:52 <mizmo> yeh we can go through together on irc msourada
19:32:01 <finalzone> has anyone tried jalbum as flickr alternative?
19:32:05 <kambu> I meant a collecting feedback on the wiki
19:32:15 <mizmo> nicubunu, i think we'll all probably submit some :) so i dont think anyone will be impartial. i think that's okay
19:32:20 <fabsh> mizmo: i can coordinate if you find no one else
19:32:36 <fabsh> are we talking mainly photos here?
19:32:40 <maxamillion> mizmo: you mean we're going to get this packaged?  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F13-concept-rocketlines.png  ... or this planning for F14 supplemental?
19:32:43 <mizmo> kambu, is jalbum open source?
19:32:51 <mizmo> maxamillion, it's for f14 supplemental
19:32:59 <kambu> not sure. lemme check
19:33:08 <nicubunu> fabsh: we can also have illustrations, like in f12
19:33:12 <maxamillion> mizmo: ah, ok ... I just couldn't resist posting the link :D
19:33:17 <fabsh> nicubunu: ok
19:33:19 <mizmo> hehe
19:33:41 <mizmo> http://alternativeto.net/desktop/flickr/
19:33:45 <wonderer> I think we have to have a tool where we all can collaborate with. jalbum & Co is more or less a singleuser tool I think.
19:33:54 <msourada> mizmo, so how does it sounds to make the decision on our usual meeting, that will take place at 2010-08-27? (more than week before packaging) Is that enough time to make sure the licensing is OK?
19:34:04 <finalzone> mizmo, that is the page I was looking
19:34:07 <wonderer> wiki is for now in my eyes for collective use a good start. not ideal, but workable.
19:34:31 <mizmo> msourada, if we package them sep-7 then i think 8-27 should be enough time
19:34:50 <msourada> ok, if noone is against we can decide on that date
19:34:51 <nicubunu> +1, wiki for f14, for f15+ we can think at something better
19:34:53 <mizmo> #agreed we will use the wiki to organize submissions for the f14 supplemental wallpapers
19:35:11 <mizmo> fabsh, mainly photos i think, yeh
19:35:15 <wonderer> +1, wiki for f14, for f15+ we can think at something better
19:35:21 <fabsh> mizmo: cool
19:35:32 <mizmo> fabsh, right now gnome comes with its own set of alternative wallpapers, they're kind of nature-y flowers / water / forest kinds of things
19:35:40 <kambu> mizmo: Jalbum is not completely open source
19:35:43 <mizmo> fabsh, it's a good opportunity for us to show off our own style instead of just copy upstream
19:35:43 <kambu> http://jalbum.net/developer/license
19:35:53 <fabsh> mizmo: i get you
19:35:58 <tw2113> i think it'd be nice to get some variety instead of always including the usual gnome provided ones
19:36:03 <mizmo> kambu, it is partially open source though i think that is cool
19:36:06 <nicubunu> like targeting the categories we talked about in f12
19:36:11 <mizmo> #info jalbum is partially opensource (jalbum.net)
19:36:20 <msourada> mizmo, we're dragging a bit behind time... can we agree on the 8-27 and move to next milestone?
19:36:26 <mizmo> yep let's move on msourada
19:36:35 <tw2113> +1
19:36:40 <kambu> +1
19:36:42 <mizmo> #agreed 8-27 due date for deciding the supplemental wallpapers (at the design team meeting in IRC)
19:36:45 <nicubunu> +1
19:36:50 <finalzone> +1
19:36:52 <wonderer> aehm oes jalbum use flash...?!
19:36:55 <mizmo> fabsh, should i pencil you in as coordinator?
19:37:03 <fabsh> mizmo: sure :)
19:37:14 <msourada> ok, so do we want to leave some time before the meeting closed for submissions, so that people can get familiar with it?
19:37:15 <mizmo> #agreed fabsh will coordinate the f14 supplemental wallpapers effort
19:37:28 <msourada> with *them
19:37:43 <mizmo> msourada, go over how to submit the wallpapers before the end of this meeting?
19:38:31 <mizmo> #agreed 8-26 due date for all wallpaper submissions (to be decided on at 8-27 meeting)
19:38:32 <msourada> ok
19:38:35 <mizmo> er that's supplemtnal wallpaper submissions
19:38:38 <finalzone> wonderer, I think jalbum uses jquery or somehing
19:38:39 <msourada> yep
19:39:14 <mizmo> we should try to contact the authors by maybe aug 30
19:39:18 <mizmo> then we have a week to hear back from then
19:39:25 <wonderer> hmm. 38min. and not come over agenda #2 :-) nice :-D
19:39:30 <mizmo> so i think we have a date for all the supplemental tasks now
19:39:39 <mizmo> #agreed contact wallpaper authors by aug 30
19:39:44 <mizmo> lol well this is a big item :)
19:39:51 <mizmo> msourada, did you have any other schedule concerns?
19:40:00 <fabsh> mizmo: leave at least a week, i did this for oggcamp promo material, it takes time
19:40:01 <nicubunu> wonderer: agenda #1 is a hard one
19:40:06 <wonderer> :)
19:40:07 <msourada> mizmo, ok, so lets see the rest of the milesones. In wiki we have I've set separate items for GRUB/Syslinux, Firstboot/Anaconda, KDM/KSplash. In poelcat's schedule there are just beta and final splashes...
19:40:35 <mizmo> fabsh, yeh i did for some wallpapers for rhel :) we'll have aug 30 - sep 7, hopefully enough
19:40:44 <msourada> mizmo, would it be better to change the milestones and go with poelcat's?
19:40:56 <fabsh> mizmo: ok. will give my best :)
19:41:04 <mizmo> msourada, maybe have one milestone, splashes completed, and list the individual splashes after the milestone name in parentheses?
19:41:31 <mizmo> fabsh, we could push the decision back a week from aug 27 to give you another week to get confirmation from the artists if you'd be more comfortable with that?
19:41:47 <wonderer> hy poelcat. just in time ;-)
19:42:11 <poelcat> i felt something change in the force so I came
19:42:12 <fabsh> mizmo: might be worth it if we can afford that
19:42:16 <msourada> mizmo, sounds reasonable. Do we want to have beta and final, or just go directly to for final? I don't think we made many changes to the splashes in the past
19:42:29 <mizmo> msourada, i think for the splashes we need to get them into beta -
19:42:49 <mizmo> msourada, there was a last-minute issue that came up with the anaconda ones for f13... so i had maybe 2 hours to fix it :)
19:42:51 <tw2113> poelcat that would be me, i had pizza recently
19:42:52 <mizmo> it sucked
19:43:03 <poelcat> tw2113: TMI
19:43:05 <poelcat> ;-)
19:43:07 <mizmo> if they'd been in beta it would have been a lot more easily fixed
19:43:17 <msourada> mizmo, ok. So I'll use both the beta deadline and final deadline from poelcat's schedule. Sounds good with anyone?
19:43:22 <mizmo> +1
19:43:27 <fabsh> +1
19:43:40 <tw2113> +1.1
19:43:42 <finalzone> +1
19:43:48 <mizmo> agreed: splash milestones collapsed into one splash item as per poelcat's schedule, using beta deadline
19:43:50 <mizmo> grr
19:43:53 <mizmo> #agreed: splash milestones collapsed into one splash item as per poelcat's schedule, using beta deadline
19:44:14 <poelcat> IOW I don't need to change anything, just leave as is?
19:44:30 <mizmo> poelcat, we have a few changes we went over before you joined :)
19:44:39 <poelcat> okay, i can read logs after
19:44:43 <mizmo> poelcat, cool :)
19:44:48 <msourada> mizmo, I don't have any more milestone items I want to discuss
19:44:52 <mizmo> okay cool
19:44:58 <mizmo> any last comments on the f14 schedule?
19:45:21 <nicubunu> yup, have them early, even if they won't change
19:45:52 <mizmo> nicubunu, msourada: do you guys want to take the rest of the meeting to talk about lgm?
19:46:00 <mizmo> (we have abut 15 min left)
19:46:04 <nicubunu> no, only 5 minutes
19:46:15 <tw2113> here's the link to their presentation anyway http://blip.tv/file/3697979
19:46:24 <tw2113> go watch it, cause i said to :)
19:46:24 <mizmo> nicubunu, okay 5 minutes then :)
19:46:27 <nicubunu> all the links are at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-June/002551.html
19:46:29 <msourada> hehe... nicubunu, do you think you can fit inside the 5 mins? :D
19:46:31 <mizmo> #topic Fedora design team at LGM
19:46:56 <nicubunu> it was the largest LGM ever with the strongest Fedora presence ever
19:46:56 <mizmo> overall how do you guys think your presentation was received?
19:47:04 <mizmo> i saw the video on blip, it was great
19:47:06 <nicubunu> very well
19:47:14 <msourada> yep, I think so too
19:47:23 <nicubunu> people coming after and saying "you are doing it right"
19:47:28 <mizmo> yay :)
19:47:32 <nicubunu> non-fedora people
19:47:41 <finalzone> ^_^
19:47:43 <msourada> It's probably a good idea for the design team to attend on a regular basis on LGM
19:47:46 <tw2113> we are leaders
19:47:56 <nicubunu> and people coning the next day and sayiong they talked over beers about how we are doing it right
19:48:24 <mizmo> do you knwo where lgm will be next year?
19:48:26 <nicubunu> and people inspired by me saying "the process is more important than the result"
19:48:28 * mizmo hopes montreal again
19:48:32 <msourada> and lots of people have been asking us how we manage to do the artwork in collaborative way
19:48:44 <nicubunu> is not known yet, it may be in Asia
19:48:57 <mizmo> ooh maybe japan ^^
19:49:00 <nicubunu> Canada is a candidate too
19:49:03 <finalzone> tokyo?
19:49:03 * wonderer hopes to attend next time, too ... make the anime croud bigger ;-)
19:49:04 <msourada> yup, some people are very hyped about Vietnam (me among them :D)
19:49:18 <finalzone> lets hope it will be Vancouver
19:49:20 <mizmo> sweet
19:49:34 <mizmo> i think its good for our team's process to get recognition
19:49:38 <fabsh> this is making me jealous :)
19:49:53 <tw2113> it can be hard to beat to our own drum when it's so easy to do the same as everyone else
19:49:53 <mizmo> actually maybe the next topic should be about some of the collaboration tools i wanted to talk about
19:50:09 <msourada> I believe liknus set up some wiki page for the formal proposals of the next LGM (he was really productive there)
19:50:12 <tw2113> but we stick to our morals with the topic of freedom
19:50:13 <mizmo> there's some floss projects we might be able to test out to get some better/easier collaboration going
19:50:18 <wonderer> maybe we also could present next time more of our work itself.
19:50:21 * nicubunu personally for getting to talk with andyfitz and garrett
19:50:40 <mizmo> nicubunu, had you ever met them before in person?
19:50:51 <nicubunu> mizmo: it was the first time
19:51:02 <mizmo> oh wow lol
19:51:30 * msourada discovered andyfitz going to be working in prague, so I'll have probably more chances to meeting him. Hi said I'm his only friend there :D
19:51:43 <mizmo> oh that's awesome!!!!
19:51:45 <msourada> s/hi/he
19:51:51 * nicubunu sad to learn andyfitz is going to novell too
19:51:56 <tw2113> mizmo you're listed as our rock star in their presentation
19:52:02 <mizmo> he's going to novell?
19:52:04 * mizmo did not know that
19:52:21 <msourada> mizmo, yup, that's why he's going to be in prague, they have their office there
19:52:27 <mizmo> cool
19:52:29 <tw2113> andyfitz drank the koolaid? :(
19:52:31 <fabsh> wow... interesting move at this time
19:52:50 <mizmo> aiight!
19:53:12 <mizmo> thanks msourada and nicubunu you guys did an awesome job at LGM and blogging about it too
19:53:24 <mizmo> what is pierros' nick?
19:53:24 <nicubunu> pierros was awesome too
19:53:25 <tw2113> my word they blogged about it
19:53:29 * msourada blushes :D
19:53:31 <tw2113> mostly nicubunu but they all helped
19:53:32 <mizmo> is he here?
19:53:48 <nicubunu> don't think so
19:53:54 <msourada> tw2113, nicu totally likes to blog his pictures :D
19:54:08 <mizmo> ah okay
19:54:09 * tw2113 nods
19:54:13 <mizmo> well let's try to squeeze one more topic in
19:54:25 <mizmo> #topic design collaboration tools
19:54:30 <mizmo> i want to show you something i set up last week -
19:54:40 <mizmo> http://linuxgrrl.com/drupal/
19:54:45 <mizmo> http://linuxgrrl.com/drupal/forum/1
19:54:53 * sijis loves drupal
19:54:54 <mizmo> it scrapes our mailing list and presents it in blog and forum format
19:55:11 <mizmo> i think using an app like this might make it easier for us to communicate and get more designers to participate
19:55:11 <fabsh> that's pretty cool! :)
19:55:11 <maxamillion> mizmo: is that what lmacken put together?
19:55:24 <wonderer> my question here is do we have some concepts what "this" tool should do and what not?
19:55:32 <mizmo> i think mailing lists are really hard to do productive design discussions on  (if any of you are subscribed to fedora-users this past week you'll know what im talking about :( )
19:55:38 <fabsh> this is also good for linking to mailing list posts in a nice way
19:55:39 <mizmo> maxamillion, noppers it's a drupal plugin thing i set up really quick
19:55:48 <maxamillion> mizmo: interesting .... :)
19:55:52 <mizmo> wonderer, yeh, kylebaker did a blog post about some ideas for it last week
19:56:00 <mizmo> oh let me link those
19:56:04 <mizmo> #link http://linuxgrrl.com/drupal/
19:56:06 <mizmo> #link http://linuxgrrl.com/drupal/forum/1
19:56:14 <msourada> mizmo, I think the header is too big
19:56:16 <tw2113> this is more for easier reading right? not really posting?
19:56:20 <mizmo> #link http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/kybaker/2010/05/21/creative-open-sorcery/
19:56:28 <wonderer> we should collect them in the wiki ...
19:56:29 <msourada> mizmo, but otherwise looks like a good idea
19:56:30 <fabsh> this helps when discussing topics from the mailing list in other forums
19:56:37 <mizmo> msourada, it's easily tweaked, i just stole the style from an old mockup, it's thrown together really quickly
19:56:40 <tw2113> oops, i see "add new comment"
19:56:45 <mizmo> if you have ideas for a better header let's use it
19:56:49 <mizmo> tw2113, it's read-only right now
19:57:00 <mizmo> if it seems like something we think could work, i can turn on the ability to post as well
19:57:02 <mizmo> but the problem is
19:57:06 <mizmo> it's running on my personal server
19:57:12 <nicubunu> do we have time for another agenda item/
19:57:12 <nicubunu> ?
19:57:14 <mizmo> so you would have to sign up for an account on my drupal
19:57:23 <msourada> mizmo, I don't have one, I just noticed it is occupying too space on my screen :D
19:57:27 <mizmo> nicubunu, we can squeeze another one in, what's up
19:58:16 <msourada> mizmo, we should probably squeeze in the emea t-shirts...
19:58:22 <mizmo> yeh
19:58:22 <mizmo> okay
19:58:26 <mizmo> #topic emea tshirts
19:58:31 <mizmo> let me see if i can find the ticket number
19:58:42 <mizmo> i had thought tatica put together a design for them a couple of weeks ago, tbh
19:58:46 <nicubunu> do we have any design for that?
19:58:53 <msourada> 126
19:58:56 <msourada> mizmo ^^
19:59:01 <msourada> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/126
19:59:04 <mizmo> it's emea fudon in zurich
19:59:05 <tw2113> i need to get going
19:59:07 <mizmo> fudcon
19:59:09 <mizmo> later tw2113
19:59:10 <tw2113> GREAT turnout everyone
19:59:15 <mizmo> #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/126
19:59:28 <mizmo> tatica, do you have the url for your shirt design?
19:59:32 <tatica> yes
19:59:42 <nicubunu> it will set the graphic style for 2010
19:59:57 <tatica> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/F14/
20:00:11 <nicubunu> why tatica's design isn't in the ticket?
20:00:19 <mizmo> ah here we go
20:00:21 <mizmo> #link http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/F14/floral-mosaic-tshirt.png
20:00:28 <tatica> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/F14/floral-mosaic-tshirt.png
20:00:31 <mizmo> tatica, did they pick a design from that mockup?
20:00:35 <tatica> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/F14/floral-mosaic-tshirt-1.png
20:00:47 <mizmo> #link http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/F14/floral-mosaic-tshirt-1.png
20:01:00 <mizmo> tatica, did you talk to Marcus Moeller about this design?
20:01:03 <tatica> I still need to add the fudcon logo in the back
20:01:05 <nicubunu> if i remember, they liked a couple
20:01:21 <tatica> but I don't have the sources, and wasn't online the weekend
20:01:28 <mizmo> #action tatica to add a fudcon logo to the back of the floral mosaic shirt
20:01:55 <tatica> oka
20:01:56 <mizmo> tatica, i'll update the ticket to include a link to http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/F14/floral-mosaic-tshirt-1.png ?
20:01:57 <fabsh> tatica: really nice design, btw :)
20:02:05 <tatica> sure
20:02:39 <mizmo> tatica, cool when do you think you can finalize the design for them?
20:02:44 <mizmo> or do you need someone to help out?
20:02:56 <tatica> I just need the svg fudcon logo
20:02:57 * wonderer allways loves the black ones...
20:03:04 <mizmo> ohhh let me email that to you right now tatica
20:03:08 <tatica> oka, thx :D
20:03:09 <mizmo> #action mizmo email fudcon source to tatica
20:03:16 <mizmo> cool
20:03:19 <nicubunu> tatica: take it from the svg of the full t-shirt in the wiki
20:03:20 * msourada loves the black ones the best as well :D
20:03:21 * tatica looks how mizmo love the #action
20:03:24 <mizmo> lol
20:03:32 <mizmo> i think it will make the logs easier to read in the end
20:03:37 <fabsh> black shirts rule
20:03:37 <mizmo> (hopefully)
20:03:38 <mizmo> okay
20:03:42 <tatica> lol
20:03:44 <mizmo> #agreed black shirts rule
20:03:51 <mizmo> okay any final bizness?
20:03:53 <wonderer> :)
20:03:55 <mizmo> 4...
20:03:58 <mizmo> 3...
20:04:01 <mizmo> 2...
20:04:03 <mizmo> 1...
20:04:04 <nicubunu> black/white/blue: is a money problem and organizers decide
20:04:16 <mizmo> liftoff
20:04:21 <mizmo> thanks for coming everybody :)
20:04:26 <mizmo> #endmeeting