16:04:23 #startmeeting F21-blocker-review 16:04:23 Meeting started Wed Oct 15 16:04:23 2014 UTC. The chair is roshi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:04:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:04:23 #meetingname F21-blocker-review 16:04:23 The meeting name has been set to 'f21-blocker-review' 16:04:24 #topic Roll Call 16:04:29 who's around? 16:05:00 * jreznik is around but again, running the other meeting :( 16:05:15 * roshi is here 16:05:22 no worries jreznik :) 16:05:30 * pwhalen is here 16:05:40 #chair pwhalen kparal adamw tflink 16:05:40 Current chairs: adamw kparal pwhalen roshi tflink 16:06:38 since I know adamw and kparal are here 16:06:39 ahoyhoy 16:06:55 * adamw is absolutely not tinkering with relval in the other window 16:07:51 kalev wanted to drop by and talk about getting GNOME 3.14.1 a freeze exception later 16:08:00 he'll be here in ~20mins 16:08:19 sounds good 16:08:33 onto: The Boilerplate 16:08:34 * kparal is here 16:08:37 #topic Introduction 16:08:37 Why are we here? 16:08:37 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:08:40 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:08:43 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:08:46 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:08:48 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:08:51 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:08:53 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Alpha_Release_Criteria 16:08:56 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:09:06 welcome kparal :) 16:09:13 we've got three proposed 16:09:17 first up 16:09:24 #topic (1145783) F21 install crashes on Intel firmware RAID with "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith'" 16:09:27 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1145783 16:09:30 #info Proposed Blocker, python-blivet, MODIFIED 16:10:40 this one's fairly slam-dunk-y 16:10:49 should be fixed in TC3, I believe, but there's another one right behind it 16:11:36 seems a blocker to me 16:11:38 i hit this doing my firmware RAID testing on...I don't remember, TC2? 16:12:11 * satellit joining late 16:12:22 welcome satellit 16:12:32 +1 from me 16:13:11 +1 16:13:16 hi satellit 16:13:21 +1 of course 16:13:59 +1 16:14:06 +1 16:14:10 proposed #agreed - 1145783 - AcceptedBlocker - This bug is a clear violation of the Beta criteria: "The installer must be able to detect and install to hardware or firmware RAID storage devices." 16:14:24 ack 16:14:28 * mattdm is here 16:14:33 * mattdm is sort of here, really 16:14:50 welcome mattdm (whatever percentage of you is here :p ) 16:15:08 ack 16:15:17 ack 16:15:19 #agreed - 1145783 - AcceptedBlocker - This bug is a clear violation of the Beta criteria: "The installer must be able to detect and install to hardware or firmware RAID storage devices." 16:15:25 oh, who's secretarying? I can if needed 16:15:29 I'll do the split from this one next 16:15:30 ack 16:15:33 ahoy mattdm section #1 16:15:37 thanks adamw 16:15:49 #topic (1150147) Parent of existing mdcontainer does not have mdmember format - "ValueError: member has wrong format" on Intel firmware RAID install of F21 16:15:52 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1150147 16:15:54 #info Proposed Blocker, python-blivet, MODIFIED 16:16:16 aaaand this is the othe rone 16:16:20 will be fixed in TC4/RC1 16:16:32 +1 for same reason 16:16:37 yup 16:16:46 +1 16:17:23 proposed #agreed - 1150147 - AcceptedBlocker - This bug is a clear violation of the Beta criteria: "The installer must be able to detect and install to hardware or firmware RAID storage devices." 16:17:26 +1 16:17:30 whee for recycling! 16:17:51 ack 16:18:13 ack 16:18:25 ack 16:18:39 #agreed - 1150147 - AcceptedBlocker - This bug is a clear violation of the Beta criteria: "The installer must be able to detect and install to hardware or firmware RAID storage devices." 16:18:54 last proposed 16:18:55 #topic (1148923) ValueError: this device's formatting cannot be modified 16:18:58 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1148923 16:19:01 #info Proposed Blocker, python-blivet, MODIFIED 16:19:46 * adamw reads 16:20:49 seems a non-gui install is failing for this 16:20:53 yeah, 'text' 16:20:53 no criteria listed in the bug 16:21:08 not sure if it's kickstart-driven text only, or also manual would hit it 16:21:12 shouldn't be too hard to try though 16:21:16 yeah 16:21:34 * roshi tests now with a text install 16:22:13 well, maybe you need some other factor to hit it too 16:22:49 ive done text installs, kickstarts on arm with no issue 16:23:07 "Apparently the gui code that intends to hide them isn't running during automated installations." 16:23:11 seem automated only? 16:24:15 well, i wasn't quite sure if that maybe should have said 'text' not 'automated' 16:24:27 but yeah, a manual text install doesn't seem to hit it 16:24:35 so if i was being a stickler i'd probably say -1/+1 for this 16:25:20 text install is working for me now 16:25:53 violates unattended installation - if it's reproducible 16:26:07 but I don't see any repro steps in the bug at first glance 16:26:34 "Any installation method or process designed to run unattended must do so." 16:26:46 oh, i was figuring it wouldn't happen if you did a GUI unattended install 16:26:48 but maybe i'm wrong 16:27:11 i'm +1 if we assume this applies to all automated installs, let's see if dlehman can clarify 16:28:12 sgtm 16:28:51 ive done 4 ks installs today, havent hit it 16:29:50 there've been a couple of bugs involving whatever the hell it is they're doing with this 'zram' thing 16:29:53 we probably should understand that 16:30:33 proposal: throw a +1 FE at it for now and it'll probably go away 16:31:02 works for me 16:31:06 +1 adamw 16:31:52 +1 fe 16:32:50 proposed #agreed - 1148923 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedFreezeException - It's not clear how widespread this is or how to reproduce it so rejecting it as a blocker. Accepted as a Freeze Exception. 16:33:19 ack 16:33:58 nack 16:34:08 i was meaning, make it AcceptedFE and leave blocker undetermined, don't reject it 16:34:12 we're punting on blocker 16:34:28 ah 16:34:34 I'll patch it 16:36:24 proposed #agreed - 1148923 - Punt AcceptedFreezeException - It's not clear how widespread this is or how to reproduce it so waiting to determine blocker status. Accepted as a Freeze Exception. 16:36:54 ack 16:36:59 hey kushal :) 16:37:10 ack 16:37:17 here's some background on these meetings in case you're not familiar: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting#In_Action 16:37:32 s/#In_Action// 16:37:45 #agreed - 1148923 - Punt AcceptedFreezeException - It's not clear how widespread this is or how to reproduce it so waiting to determine blocker status. Accepted as a Freeze Exception. 16:37:58 onto FEs - we've got 4 16:38:04 proposed, that is 16:38:20 roshi, Thanks. 16:38:34 * roshi couldn't remember if you'd ever been to one before 16:38:39 np 16:38:55 alright FE time 16:38:56 #topic (1141549) ABRT cannot report any detected kernel oops 16:38:56 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1141549 16:38:56 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, abrt, MODIFIED 16:40:34 it's on the live media and affects bug reporting there 16:41:05 oh, yeah, i've seen this 16:41:14 +1, we should fix it, though reporting kernel oopses manually isn't too hard 16:41:27 yeah 16:41:29 +1 from me as well 16:41:30 +1 16:41:56 +1 16:41:59 +1 16:42:39 proposed #agreed - 1141549 - AcceptedFreezeException - While manually reporting a kernel oops isn't terribly difficult it would be good to get this fixed. 16:42:39 +1 16:42:45 ack 16:43:00 ack 16:43:34 ack 16:43:35 #agreed - 1141549 - AcceptedFreezeException - While manually reporting a kernel oops isn't terribly difficult it would be good to get this fixed. 16:43:45 #topic (1103496) boot.iso 20140601 configuration screen is blank 16:43:45 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1103496 16:43:45 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, anaconda, NEW 16:44:54 oh, this one's back? 16:45:06 * satellit I have not seen this lately 16:45:33 that seems like the KDE bug 16:45:38 'screen stuck' bug 16:45:38 did workstation netinstall with workstation last night 16:45:53 yeah 16:46:02 so the *earlier* report is for boot.iso 16:46:03 are we shipping a boot.iso? 16:46:07 but the *recent* one is for kde live 16:46:12 ah 16:46:14 roshi: well, it's the same thing as the server/ws netinsts, really 16:46:25 so i'd say satellit's recent report of this is a dupe of #1142862 16:46:28 all of that seems to be under VirtualBox though? 16:46:33 we should probably have #1142862 in the proposed FEs, though... 16:46:45 true - but if they worked and boot.iso didn't in some magical land - I don't think we'd block on it since it's not a Product 16:46:47 kparal: have you seen that one lately? 16:47:00 I haven't run KDE since then 16:47:08 outside of KDE, no 16:47:24 KDE and mate lives installed ok for testing 16:48:20 seeing similar redraw issues on arm netinstalls, package install doesnt progress unless you move to a spoke (useradd or root pass), come back to the main screen and it shows a change. but it remains frozen again until completed 16:49:02 hmm 16:49:03 reboot button appears, but the progress bar remains incomplete 16:49:05 +1 if it's on our lives 16:49:18 it's odd that we seem to be getting reports mostly with KDE now, but pwhalen sees it on netinst... 16:50:01 i'm sort of feeling +1-y in general but very unclear on the specifics and how this and 1142862 differ / don't differ 16:51:51 i posted a screen in the other bug for reference - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1142862 16:52:23 if it turns out to be a bug in the installer -- do we have to accept it as a freeze exception before the anaconda team looks into it? 16:52:41 no, it only has to be FE for the fix to go through freeze 16:52:44 +1 from me 16:53:23 pwhalen: so for you it was just stuck in that state - the progress bar not moving? 16:53:50 right, stays stuck unless you move to one of the config spokes, come back to the main and it updates 16:54:08 * satellit usually one can find root and user spokes by change of cursor to "hand" 16:54:20 but then remains static until complete..and the reboot button appears.. installs worked 16:55:30 that sounds borderline blocker 16:56:46 well, the install *works* 16:56:51 it does 16:57:02 same here 16:57:32 more cosmetic, but it would be nice if it showed progress.. its just that bar and message right above that freeze 16:57:51 so we can either keep them as separate bugs and throw acceptedFE at both, or pick one or the other, or call 'em dupes 16:58:03 i'm really not clear whether we have two cases or one 16:58:08 me either 16:58:11 right 16:58:29 pick this one since it was proposed FE and mark the other a dupe 16:58:38 ? 16:58:46 gtk cause? (KDE and Mate) 16:59:34 roshi: sure, wfm. 17:00:32 proposed #agreed - 1103496 - AcceptedFreezeException - While this is a cosmetic issue it would be great to get the fixed pulled in despite freeze. 17:02:00 it's a bit more than just cosmetic, but sure, ack 17:02:05 ack 17:02:17 ack 17:02:52 #agreed - 1103496 - AcceptedFreezeException - While this is a cosmetic issue it would be great to get the fixed pulled in despite freeze. 17:03:38 #topic (1151429) preedit is visible in gnome-lock-screen for all ibus input methods 17:03:41 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1151429 17:03:43 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gnome-shell, NEW 17:05:32 so, has it been fixed since TC3, or is it netinst/Live-related? 17:06:02 oh, the original report mentions Live 17:06:13 so it seems like fixed since then 17:06:18 should be verifiable in TC4 17:07:30 +1 FE 17:08:09 +1, just in case 17:08:13 +1 17:08:32 ask for testing with TC4 when it lands 17:08:32 +1 17:09:33 oh, do we have someone doing secreatary duty? 17:09:36 me 17:09:39 ok, thanks 17:09:44 it was a note that i will do that 17:10:03 proposed #agreed - 1151429 - AcceptedFreezeException - Password input should obscure passwords regardless of input method. Please test again on TC4 when it lands. 17:10:32 ack 17:10:36 ack 17:10:50 ack 17:11:07 #agreed - 1151429 - AcceptedFreezeException - Password input should obscure passwords regardless of input method. Please test again on TC4 when it lands. 17:11:18 #topic (1149782) liveusb-creator creates non-booting Live USB 17:11:18 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1149782 17:11:19 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, liveusb-creator, NEW 17:11:30 just retested this 17:11:35 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Beta_TC3_Installation#USB_media 17:13:36 * satellit in TC2 used fat 32 USB with same results done from f21 Beta-TC3 install to HD 17:13:47 satellit: did you try what Luke asked you to try in the last comment? 17:13:48 so this is a bug with liveusb-creator, not the release? 17:14:07 * satellit looking 17:14:29 roshi: most likely, but it looks like Luke's still determining the cause 17:14:36 but this is bios boot not EFI 17:14:46 it's possible it winds up requiring changes to the image... 17:15:02 satellit: well, maybe he has a reason for it all the same...i'd still try it, but also note that you're doing a BIOS boot 17:15:04 possible shortened naming? 17:15:15 k 17:15:38 satellit: it's possible, but then Luke said he can't reproduce it 17:15:42 maybe we should all give it a go 17:16:03 checking it now 17:17:03 anyway, my instinct would be to punt at least till we're sure where the problem is 17:17:10 k 17:17:14 +1 punt 17:21:08 votes? 17:21:21 it might be time for the cattle prod 17:21:30 * roshi can't find his USB key on his desk, so verification of this is taking longer than expected 17:21:35 sure, +1 to punt -- voting on a FE fix before the fix is available (or at least a plan where / how to fix) is mostly pointless 17:21:43 yup 17:22:20 proposed #agreed - 1149782 - Punt - We'll delay FE discussion until the root cause and fix is available for discussion. 17:22:50 ack 17:23:17 ack 17:23:40 ack 17:23:46 sorry, was on a call 17:24:16 #agreed - 1149782 - Punt - We'll delay FE discussion until the root cause and fix is available for discussion. 17:24:29 that's it for FEs 17:24:45 call it a day or go over accepted blockers that are still NEW/ASSIGNED 17:24:48 > 17:24:51 ? 17:25:16 * adamw has a look 17:25:26 there's 3 new/assigned in the list 17:25:36 yeah 17:25:40 one of which shouldn't be 17:25:50 and that grubby one's been in POST forever 17:25:54 pwhalen: any news on that one? 17:25:56 1147998 has the fix pushed 17:26:42 right, needs to be pushed, which i think fesco is talking about now 17:27:14 oh, yeah? /me looks in 17:28:57 there was another bug that was a freeze exception, but dropped i would like to include in the next tc/rc as its now fixed .. looking for the bz 17:29:20 * satellit afk 17:30:05 roshi: can you update the cloud bug to note the fix? 17:30:13 yeah 17:30:15 roshi: and maybe ask whoever submitted the update to edit it and mark it as fixing the bug? 17:30:24 oh 17:30:33 mattdm: ^^ 17:30:36 we also should discuss FE status for GNOME 3.14.1 17:31:31 some of the bugs it fixes look FE-ish to me 17:31:44 what huh which? 17:32:10 update https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1147998 so that it's noted as fixed and now new :) 17:32:16 since you pushed the fix and all :) 17:32:20 would like to discuss this one - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1044778 17:32:30 this is the bootloader/reboot issue? I'm waiting for a tc including it to confirm 17:32:35 was an accepted freeze exception, build is now in f21 17:32:38 should i put it as "On qa" or something? 17:32:55 build here - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=585525 17:33:09 yeah 17:33:27 mattdm: if there's a bodhi update that ought to fix it, can you edit the update and mark it as fixing the bug? 17:33:35 mattdm: that way we don't have to manually shepherd it through the states 17:33:41 fixes a couple other outstanding bugs reported as well as enabling a group of new boards 17:33:57 pwhalen: so, what's to discuss? 17:34:05 oh, do you mean build is *not* in f21? 17:34:08 adamw: it's an edit to the kickstart - so nothing in bodhi I don't think 17:34:19 for the cloud boot bug 17:34:20 roshi: ah, i see 17:34:26 so yeah, have to amend the status manually 17:35:51 adamw, it was accepted and closed (fixed in rawhide).. the build is now in f21. and i didnt see it listed.. would like to ensure it gets pulled in 17:36:52 pwhalen: well, the status isn't always accurate, it may well have been built in f21 too 17:37:10 adamw no it's a spin-kickstarts hack 17:37:34 pwhalen: have you actually checked and seen that it's not in f21, or are you just not sure? 17:37:38 adamw, it hadnt 17:37:43 sure 17:37:51 ok, so in that case we can re-open and re-apply the FE status 17:37:56 ok, will do 17:38:04 oh, there's a meeting? 17:38:09 pwhalen: i can do it as secretary 17:38:10 * danofsatx didn't read his email :( 17:38:16 danofsatx: same time, same place ;) 17:38:22 adamw, why thank you :) 17:38:30 what day is it, anyhow? 17:38:57 danofsatx: I didn't ping you since I thought you had to be somewhere 17:39:20 something about "have to do this thing within 2 hours when I have to leave" 17:39:37 danofsatx: Geldof 17:40:03 I wanted to bring up GNOME 3.14.1, would it be a good time now? 17:40:11 yeah kalev 17:40:21 * adamw tried once already :) 17:40:28 so, there's a new point release for GNOME and barely missed the freeze 17:40:38 is it strictly a bugfix release? 17:40:45 bringing a month's worth of bug fixes -- would be awesome to have that in the release to get more testing 17:40:54 adamw: yep, we're in bug fix only mode upstream 17:41:37 I do have to be somewhere, but I just cancelled that. Stuck making F21 talk to Active Directory.....this is muy fun. 17:41:44 it's a pretty big update and touches a lot of components, so I wouldn't be comfortable pulling it in before it's gotten some good karma points 17:41:56 i'm probably +1 to it, then - as i mentioned, the list of individual bugs it fixes includes some that look like we'd want them in 17:42:24 so what I'd like to ask here is to pull it in for the next TC 17:42:39 well, after freeze we only do that for things that have been granted FE 17:42:39 and decide after seeing how it fares in updates-testing whether to push it to stable or not 17:43:10 i don't think we need to do that for GNOME, because it'll get plenty of testing from folks who already have f21 installed 17:43:18 u-t is enabled by default for branched, so they will get it despite the freeze 17:43:27 true 17:43:37 what i'd suggest is you file a bug for '3.14.1 in F21 Beta' and propose it as FE 17:43:47 and we can then vote async (with BZ comments) once karma comes in 17:44:04 sure, sounds good to me 17:44:37 also, if anyone wants to test it before it hits updates-testing, I have a secret repo that includes all the packages :) 17:45:20 kalev: you can suck it out of bodhi 17:45:32 bodhi -D (some EVR from the update) 17:46:42 or the update id 17:46:50 yeah, though it doesn't get one right away 17:47:01 ah, right. only after it's pushed to u-t 17:47:49 anyway, I just wanted to get this on everyone's radar 17:48:00 let's wait for it to hit updates-testing first and vote on the FE status then 17:48:12 works for me 17:48:13 would be good to pull it in this week _if_ we decided to include it 17:48:33 kalev: if you can CC the folks who usually show up at meetings and stuff on the bug it'll help get votes 17:48:36 otherwise we might not have time to fix up stuff if anything regresses 17:48:39 adamw: ok, will do 17:49:05 kalev: i'm thinking i might want to do a TC4/RC1 today since it seems like we have some significant bits to pull in - new anaconda build and this ARM grubby change 17:49:59 arr, would be great to have this pulled in for there but it hasn't even hit updates-testing yet :( 17:50:09 but then 3.14.1 can be pulled for the next one (if we +1 it) 17:50:54 sounds like a plan 17:51:48 ok, so... 17:52:17 that leaves one blivet bug and the udev bug in fedup as the blockers 17:52:28 systemd folks all seem to be at a conference in europe 17:53:03 seems there's a conference every month 17:54:47 anything else for us to discuss here? 17:56:08 don't think so, looks like we'll be on TC4 next, hope for RC1 once we can get the udev bug fixed (i'm expecting that'll be the last one) 17:56:18 works for me 17:56:21 i'll ping dlehman on the NTFS corruption bug 17:56:28 I'll close the meeting then 17:56:49 fix my irssi server... 17:56:54 thanks for coming all! 17:57:05 * roshi sets short fuse 17:57:47 btoom 17:57:54 thanks for running, roshi! 17:58:23 np - thanks for secretializing 17:59:08 #endmeeting