19:22:43 #startmeeting 19:22:43 Meeting started Sat Oct 2 19:22:43 2010 UTC. The chair is sdziallas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:22:43 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:23:04 Alright, so we're here gettinng things together for the upcoming Etherpad FAD. 19:23:30 awesome! 19:24:26 We're looking at the two following documents: 19:24:30 #link #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:24:30 15:23 < sdziallas> Alright, so we're here gettinng things together for the upcoming Etherpad FAD. 19:24:34 15:23 < computercolin> awesome! 19:24:35 Argh. No, not that. 19:24:38 Sorry folks. 19:24:45 #undo 19:24:45 Removing item from minutes: 19:24:53 #undo 19:25:53 #link http://john.primarypad.com/etherpadagenda 19:26:06 #link http://openetherpad.org/olinetherpad 19:26:55 oh 19:27:03 hehehe 19:29:22 #link http://doc.etherpad.org/pre-fad-meeting 19:29:52 So, somethign we'd like to figure out is the difference beetween the Google Code version and github version 19:30:06 A big goal from our end is to get etherpad packaged 19:30:17 we have a .deb package 19:30:19 The Github version has more bundled libraries so the Fedora people have avoided it 19:30:21 not an rpm 19:30:24 yeah 19:30:25 cool 19:30:35 yeah the bundled libraries, which ones do you have a problem w/ ? 19:30:46 Is the .deb good about bundled libraries 19:31:01 well, our packaging folks are not a fan of bundled libraries 19:31:22 Diff between google code / Github = isntallation, error support, quite a lot of bugs fixed- I would recommend reading all the commits frmo the network if you have time, it's 300+ I guess 19:31:37 Yeah, I've looked at that list and know its a bunch 19:31:42 okay 19:31:49 Roughly how many changes are related to new features? 19:31:52 40% 19:31:53 ? 19:31:55 yeah 19:31:58 50/50 19:32:04 plugin support is a big chunk of it 19:32:12 #chair computercolin sdziallas 19:32:12 Current chairs: computercolin sdziallas 19:32:29 #link http://doc.etherpad.org/pre-fad-meeting 19:32:30 So for you guys we need to remove Bundled libraries? 19:33:05 johnmclear1: yeah, that'd be awesome. well, we'd work on that too, I think. 19:33:10 okay great 19:33:11 yeah, for Fedora, we'd like to separate out libraries if they can't be found in the Fedora repositories and package them separately 19:33:12 i will add it to the pad 19:33:53 okay that is added under important issues 19:34:01 Cool, thanks! 19:34:02 so, Ideally if you guys can be working on some of the other important issues too 19:34:26 yup, the scala version issue is quite interesting and important for packaging 19:34:33 I assigned some people to some but if you have made a start or looked at some of the important issues already then go ahead 19:34:34 okay 19:34:43 so just put Team USA next to the ones you know you want to work on? 19:34:49 Still looking through it now 19:35:07 we are not going to focus on new features 19:35:18 yeah, most of the important issues aren't new features 19:35:28 its stuff we need to do cause of licensing or cause it breaks accessibility 19:35:46 wait, there are licencing issues? 19:35:54 yep, with import/export 19:35:55 cos.jar 19:36:04 #note we're tracking stuff in the etherpadagenda page 19:36:10 and already sun java, no one likes to be restricted to sun java :P so openjdk would be ideal 19:36:18 cool 19:36:22 johnmclear1: I've been running it with openjdk in Fedora. 19:36:39 cos.jar allows all the import export, or some of the formats? 19:36:42 yeah I read that, so we need to make sure it works on all distros w/ openjdk 19:37:00 cos.jar is for import only afaik, redhog has looked at the apache modules as a replacement 19:37:29 sdziallas: so you can help out w/ the openjdk stuff? 19:37:43 Hmm, was cos.jar part of the Google release? 19:37:53 sort of. 19:37:56 they disabled it 19:37:59 johnmclear1: I'm a Fedora person, so... uh. I'm not sure I can make sure it runs on other distros, but... mmm. Maybe we could get VMs up here. 19:38:03 but it's required for import 19:38:04 * sdziallas points to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad 19:38:09 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad 19:38:23 Licensing is also going to be an issue for Fedora packaging 19:38:30 (we're tracking the libraries from the original checkout that are giving us pain there) 19:38:47 Mark was Fedora on your list of distros? 19:39:07 we will have someone here from Fedora legal 19:39:36 ah, okay well we may have someone here from ubuntu (whatever their parent company is called) 19:39:44 #note licensing might me an issue, double-check that 19:39:50 #note there is a licensing issue with cos.jar, needs to be removed for packaging or alternate implimentation 19:39:59 (I'm just taking notes for the bot / logs.) 19:40:08 canonical ;) 19:40:17 that's the one 19:40:19 who is coming from Ubuntu? 19:41:03 I can't remember his name, hopefully he is joining us online 19:41:11 maybe its Michael Forrest? 19:41:25 I have a lot of people in my Etherpad contacts list ;/ 19:41:31 Nice 19:41:39 johnmclear1: so the cos.jar is only in the GIT repo, but not in the code.google.com check-in? 19:41:48 I think so 19:42:00 which reminds me, last time I checked the etherpad apt repo was offline 19:42:01 I think it got added but we knew it was an issue straight away 19:42:11 naw its online, pretty sure 19:42:18 I installed frmo it yesterday I "think" 19:42:22 although there are now new issues with it 19:42:37 it is important by the end of the weekend we have that package working and available 19:42:42 another thing we need is a list of low hanging fruit for new people 19:43:10 You could mark them on http://john.primarypad.com/etherpadagenda? 19:43:24 good point, will make our list 19:44:35 I'm not a JS programmer but I have a pretty good basic understanding of our users, so I can represent them. I can also fringe hack. :P 19:44:37 What is the Spot task? 19:45:35 Spot is an awesome Red Hat employee 19:45:58 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Spot 19:46:07 ahhh 19:46:27 Okay so he is going to work on licensing? 19:47:15 yeah, although if we have other work to do, me may leave it out for this package 19:47:26 okay 19:47:39 I think it would be really cool to get a package for RH Entreprise Linux 19:47:45 By other work do you mean work on the Etherpad package or on other projects/ 19:47:49 Would double as a CentOS package 19:47:54 Etherpad 19:48:09 Of course, Fedora before RH 19:48:41 Right, so that works pretty much perfect 19:48:59 perfect, sounds nice 19:49:08 * computercolin wonders whats perfect? 19:49:33 I put in the list for you guys to handle Fedora etc. packaging 19:49:38 and we will try get our .deb guys in 19:50:29 A lot of the issues around good packaging for both distros will be the same 19:51:12 yea, we will try to stagger them, teh deb package is done, afaik the only thing that is broken is the java dep 19:51:22 but that would be something we would discover on friday probably 19:53:11 you guys dont fancy doing the windows package too dya? 19:53:27 I'm pretty good w/ nsis but suck at understanding how jar works during those compile scripts 19:53:56 this is related to the windows installer 19:54:02 ? 19:54:08 yep 19:54:16 An interesting move for you all 19:54:33 To do a windows package? 19:54:52 -package +installer 19:57:29 gah net split? 20:06:36 okay, IRC client working again 20:14:56 im back 20:16:02 The foundation has some clients that are willin to pay for work to be done 20:16:13 hmm, interesting 20:16:16 It's nearly all JS dev work 20:16:26 front end stuff 20:16:30 yeah 20:16:47 features, styling? what kind of stuff 20:17:27 I will make a list 20:19:01 Any opinion on Etherpad deployments that aren't staying as open source (iEtherpad.com etc) - Name and shame? 20:19:01 & Drop sites from Etherpad Sites that aren't open source & or running Etherpad source from the foundation. 20:19:12 also we hope to demo Etherpad working on android over the weekend 20:19:40 zealous! 20:19:54 In terms of commerical sites, not so interested 20:20:08 Okay 20:20:15 They want to contract UI customizations I presume 20:20:22 Etherpad bouty? 20:20:25 *bounty? 20:20:30 yea I think a bounty is quite likely 20:20:34 I might ask Joe to head that up 20:20:39 Joe? 20:20:51 one of the hackers 20:21:26 I guess the thing is we link to Etherpad sites 20:21:41 and do we want to be linking to Etherpad sites that are not contributing their source back to the project 20:21:52 some of them are fixing things and not sharing, basically. 20:22:03 It's not a problem but it would be nice to get them involved 20:29:38 yeah, this is a valid point 20:29:48 frustrating when people don't contribute back 20:32:48 #endmeeting