19:22:43 <sdziallas> #startmeeting 19:22:43 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Oct 2 19:22:43 2010 UTC. The chair is sdziallas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:22:43 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:23:04 <sdziallas> Alright, so we're here gettinng things together for the upcoming Etherpad FAD. 19:23:30 <computercolin> awesome! 19:24:26 <sdziallas> We're looking at the two following documents: 19:24:30 <sdziallas> #link #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:24:30 <sdziallas> 15:23 < sdziallas> Alright, so we're here gettinng things together for the upcoming Etherpad FAD. 19:24:34 <sdziallas> 15:23 < computercolin> awesome! 19:24:35 <sdziallas> Argh. No, not that. 19:24:38 <sdziallas> Sorry folks. 19:24:45 <sdziallas> #undo 19:24:45 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x2b7d31874bd0> 19:24:53 <sdziallas> #undo 19:25:53 <sdziallas> #link http://john.primarypad.com/etherpadagenda 19:26:06 <sdziallas> #link http://openetherpad.org/olinetherpad 19:26:55 <johnmclear1> oh 19:27:03 <johnmclear1> hehehe 19:29:22 <computercolin> #link http://doc.etherpad.org/pre-fad-meeting 19:29:52 <computercolin> So, somethign we'd like to figure out is the difference beetween the Google Code version and github version 19:30:06 <computercolin> A big goal from our end is to get etherpad packaged 19:30:17 <johnmclear1> we have a .deb package 19:30:19 <computercolin> The Github version has more bundled libraries so the Fedora people have avoided it 19:30:21 <johnmclear1> not an rpm 19:30:24 <computercolin> yeah 19:30:25 <computercolin> cool 19:30:35 <johnmclear1> yeah the bundled libraries, which ones do you have a problem w/ ? 19:30:46 <computercolin> Is the .deb good about bundled libraries 19:31:01 <computercolin> well, our packaging folks are not a fan of bundled libraries 19:31:22 <johnmclear1> Diff between google code / Github = isntallation, error support, quite a lot of bugs fixed- I would recommend reading all the commits frmo the network if you have time, it's 300+ I guess 19:31:37 <computercolin> Yeah, I've looked at that list and know its a bunch 19:31:42 <johnmclear1> okay 19:31:49 <computercolin> Roughly how many changes are related to new features? 19:31:52 <computercolin> 40% 19:31:53 <computercolin> ? 19:31:55 <johnmclear1> yeah 19:31:58 <johnmclear1> 50/50 19:32:04 <johnmclear1> plugin support is a big chunk of it 19:32:12 <sdziallas> #chair computercolin sdziallas 19:32:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: computercolin sdziallas 19:32:29 <sdziallas> #link http://doc.etherpad.org/pre-fad-meeting 19:32:30 <johnmclear1> So for you guys we need to remove Bundled libraries? 19:33:05 <sdziallas> johnmclear1: yeah, that'd be awesome. well, we'd work on that too, I think. 19:33:10 <johnmclear1> okay great 19:33:11 <computercolin> yeah, for Fedora, we'd like to separate out libraries if they can't be found in the Fedora repositories and package them separately 19:33:12 <johnmclear1> i will add it to the pad 19:33:53 <johnmclear1> okay that is added under important issues 19:34:01 <sdziallas> Cool, thanks! 19:34:02 <johnmclear1> so, Ideally if you guys can be working on some of the other important issues too 19:34:26 <computercolin> yup, the scala version issue is quite interesting and important for packaging 19:34:33 <johnmclear1> I assigned some people to some but if you have made a start or looked at some of the important issues already then go ahead 19:34:34 <johnmclear1> okay 19:34:43 <johnmclear1> so just put Team USA next to the ones you know you want to work on? 19:34:49 <computercolin> Still looking through it now 19:35:07 <computercolin> we are not going to focus on new features 19:35:18 <johnmclear1> yeah, most of the important issues aren't new features 19:35:28 <johnmclear1> its stuff we need to do cause of licensing or cause it breaks accessibility 19:35:46 <computercolin> wait, there are licencing issues? 19:35:54 <johnmclear1> yep, with import/export 19:35:55 <johnmclear1> cos.jar 19:36:04 <sdziallas> #note we're tracking stuff in the etherpadagenda page 19:36:10 <johnmclear1> and already sun java, no one likes to be restricted to sun java :P so openjdk would be ideal 19:36:18 <computercolin> cool 19:36:22 <sdziallas> johnmclear1: I've been running it with openjdk in Fedora. 19:36:39 <computercolin> cos.jar allows all the import export, or some of the formats? 19:36:42 <johnmclear1> yeah I read that, so we need to make sure it works on all distros w/ openjdk 19:37:00 <johnmclear1> cos.jar is for import only afaik, redhog has looked at the apache modules as a replacement 19:37:29 <johnmclear1> sdziallas: so you can help out w/ the openjdk stuff? 19:37:43 <computercolin> Hmm, was cos.jar part of the Google release? 19:37:53 <johnmclear1> sort of. 19:37:56 <johnmclear1> they disabled it 19:37:59 <sdziallas> johnmclear1: I'm a Fedora person, so... uh. I'm not sure I can make sure it runs on other distros, but... mmm. Maybe we could get VMs up here. 19:38:03 <johnmclear1> but it's required for import 19:38:04 * sdziallas points to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad 19:38:09 <sdziallas> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad 19:38:23 <computercolin> Licensing is also going to be an issue for Fedora packaging 19:38:30 <sdziallas> (we're tracking the libraries from the original checkout that are giving us pain there) 19:38:47 <johnmclear1> Mark was Fedora on your list of distros? 19:39:07 <computercolin> we will have someone here from Fedora legal 19:39:36 <johnmclear1> ah, okay well we may have someone here from ubuntu (whatever their parent company is called) 19:39:44 <sdziallas> #note licensing might me an issue, double-check that 19:39:50 <computercolin> #note there is a licensing issue with cos.jar, needs to be removed for packaging or alternate implimentation 19:39:59 <sdziallas> (I'm just taking notes for the bot / logs.) 19:40:08 <computercolin> canonical ;) 19:40:17 <johnmclear1> that's the one 19:40:19 <computercolin> who is coming from Ubuntu? 19:41:03 <johnmclear1> I can't remember his name, hopefully he is joining us online 19:41:11 <johnmclear1> maybe its Michael Forrest? 19:41:25 <johnmclear1> I have a lot of people in my Etherpad contacts list ;/ 19:41:31 <computercolin> Nice 19:41:39 <sdziallas> johnmclear1: so the cos.jar is only in the GIT repo, but not in the code.google.com check-in? 19:41:48 <johnmclear1> I think so 19:42:00 <computercolin> which reminds me, last time I checked the etherpad apt repo was offline 19:42:01 <johnmclear1> I think it got added but we knew it was an issue straight away 19:42:11 <johnmclear1> naw its online, pretty sure 19:42:18 <johnmclear1> I installed frmo it yesterday I "think" 19:42:22 <johnmclear1> although there are now new issues with it 19:42:37 <johnmclear1> it is important by the end of the weekend we have that package working and available 19:42:42 <computercolin> another thing we need is a list of low hanging fruit for new people 19:43:10 <johnmclear1> You could mark them on http://john.primarypad.com/etherpadagenda? 19:43:24 <computercolin> good point, will make our list 19:44:35 <johnmclear1> I'm not a JS programmer but I have a pretty good basic understanding of our users, so I can represent them. I can also fringe hack. :P 19:44:37 <johnmclear1> What is the Spot task? 19:45:35 <computercolin> Spot is an awesome Red Hat employee 19:45:58 <computercolin> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Spot 19:46:07 <johnmclear1> ahhh 19:46:27 <johnmclear1> Okay so he is going to work on licensing? 19:47:15 <computercolin> yeah, although if we have other work to do, me may leave it out for this package 19:47:26 <johnmclear1> okay 19:47:39 <computercolin> I think it would be really cool to get a package for RH Entreprise Linux 19:47:45 <johnmclear1> By other work do you mean work on the Etherpad package or on other projects/ 19:47:49 <computercolin> Would double as a CentOS package 19:47:54 <computercolin> Etherpad 19:48:09 <computercolin> Of course, Fedora before RH 19:48:41 <johnmclear1> Right, so that works pretty much perfect 19:48:59 <computercolin> perfect, sounds nice 19:49:08 * computercolin wonders whats perfect? 19:49:33 <johnmclear1> I put in the list for you guys to handle Fedora etc. packaging 19:49:38 <johnmclear1> and we will try get our .deb guys in 19:50:29 <computercolin> A lot of the issues around good packaging for both distros will be the same 19:51:12 <johnmclear1> yea, we will try to stagger them, teh deb package is done, afaik the only thing that is broken is the java dep 19:51:22 <johnmclear1> but that would be something we would discover on friday probably 19:53:11 <johnmclear1> you guys dont fancy doing the windows package too dya? 19:53:27 <johnmclear1> I'm pretty good w/ nsis but suck at understanding how jar works during those compile scripts 19:53:56 <computercolin> this is related to the windows installer 19:54:02 <computercolin> ? 19:54:08 <johnmclear1> yep 19:54:16 <computercolin> An interesting move for you all 19:54:33 <johnmclear1> To do a windows package? 19:54:52 <johnmclear1> -package +installer 19:57:29 <johnmclear1> gah net split? 20:06:36 <computercolin> okay, IRC client working again 20:14:56 <johnmclear1> im back 20:16:02 <johnmclear1> The foundation has some clients that are willin to pay for work to be done 20:16:13 <computercolin> hmm, interesting 20:16:16 <johnmclear1> It's nearly all JS dev work 20:16:26 <computercolin> front end stuff 20:16:30 <johnmclear1> yeah 20:16:47 <computercolin> features, styling? what kind of stuff 20:17:27 <johnmclear1> I will make a list 20:19:01 <johnmclear1> Any opinion on Etherpad deployments that aren't staying as open source (iEtherpad.com etc) - Name and shame? 20:19:01 <johnmclear1> & Drop sites from Etherpad Sites that aren't open source & or running Etherpad source from the foundation. 20:19:12 <johnmclear1> also we hope to demo Etherpad working on android over the weekend 20:19:40 <computercolin> zealous! 20:19:54 <computercolin> In terms of commerical sites, not so interested 20:20:08 <johnmclear1> Okay 20:20:15 <computercolin> They want to contract UI customizations I presume 20:20:22 <computercolin> Etherpad bouty? 20:20:25 <computercolin> *bounty? 20:20:30 <johnmclear1> yea I think a bounty is quite likely 20:20:34 <johnmclear1> I might ask Joe to head that up 20:20:39 <computercolin> Joe? 20:20:51 <johnmclear1> one of the hackers 20:21:26 <johnmclear1> I guess the thing is we link to Etherpad sites 20:21:41 <johnmclear1> and do we want to be linking to Etherpad sites that are not contributing their source back to the project 20:21:52 <johnmclear1> some of them are fixing things and not sharing, basically. 20:22:03 <johnmclear1> It's not a problem but it would be nice to get them involved 20:29:38 <computercolin> yeah, this is a valid point 20:29:48 <computercolin> frustrating when people don't contribute back 20:32:48 <sdziallas> #endmeeting