14:50:48 #startmeeting 14:50:48 Meeting started Tue Apr 27 14:50:48 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:50:49 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:50:58 #chair jadudm DarrenMiller 14:51:00 Current chairs: DarrenMiller jadudm mchua 14:51:15 * sdziallas waves 15:07:55 mchua: quick question 15:08:14 mchua: (and hello. that should go first) 15:08:42 hey kowenh! 15:08:47 morning johnsog! 15:08:50 how are you folks doing? 15:08:55 pretty good 15:08:57 (everyone else popping in soon?) 15:09:01 kowenh: re: question - shoot. 15:09:24 mchua: well, i got an email with follow up questions, should i just forward them to josef? 15:09:47 mchua: good morning 15:10:00 mchua: and after the next couple days i don't think i'll really be able to do much more work on the profile, so should i send out an email to the list saying that? 15:10:59 * mchua nods 15:11:05 kowenh: Yes and yes. 15:11:16 kowenh: I know the semester's winding down - that's one thing I wanted to address with everyone today 15:11:33 because iirc today and Thursday is pretty much it... johnsog, kowenh, is that right? 15:11:41 (and then release party, but that's all fun stuff) 15:12:08 yeah, that's probably it 15:12:46 mchua: ok. will do. thanks 15:13:06 kowenh: I think you've got it 95% of the way complete, honestly 15:14:15 mchua: i put a link to the wiki page that has things written for btrfs already too, at the end 15:15:48 * mchua nods 15:15:50 that's great. 15:32:55 * mchua scratches head. 15:33:15 hey johnsog and kowenh, do you know if others from the class will be online today? DarrenMiller and jadudm? 15:33:51 mchua: i don't think DarrenMiller or Jadudm will be on today 15:34:42 johnsog: Oh, okay. What's going on in the classroom? I was hoping to touch base with various teams, but nobody's on. 15:34:48 mchua: they're doing these video responses. and people are working on their cardboarduinos. there's like 8 of us in the lab at the moment 15:34:54 Ahhh, okay. 15:35:01 thanks - hard to see what's going on in Meadville from here. :) 15:35:07 so the profs are filming? 15:35:21 it's hard to see what's going on in meadville from here too :) 15:35:28 * mchua grins. 15:35:39 mchua:jadudm is about to get on 15:35:42 woo! 15:35:45 thanks johnsog! 15:36:11 hey jadudm. this week's the last week? 15:36:15 aye. 15:36:19 * mchua wanted to make sure we wound down and wrapped up well 15:36:38 and that each of the teams feels good about where they end up at the end of class on thursday 15:36:45 that we're giving them enough contact, etc. 15:36:46 We've encouraged groups to communicate with their community and bow out of their projects in a graceful way over the remainder of the week. 15:36:51 Awesome. 15:37:02 anything we can to do to follow up on that? 15:37:02 I think, overall, I'm pleased with where the teams went. 15:37:04 * mchua nods 15:37:06 same here 15:37:11 We're also having them record video shorts right now. 15:37:21 jadudm: i'd suggest they do that today if they can, so that the community has a chance to respond before thursday 15:37:27 So, they're doing 2-3 minute interviews with Darren in the other building, while I watch the big room and the soldering bits. 15:37:32 Oh. 15:37:35 That won't happen that fast. 15:37:36 jadudm: instead of a sudden "uh? wait? they... where... go?" thursday morning 15:37:38 * mchua nods 15:37:45 To do 40 people on video, we'll have to record both today and Thursday. 15:38:01 I'll try and mix down in time for the release, but Tuesday is the last day of the semester. 15:38:04 I should be able to pull it off. 15:38:16 * mchua nods. I know you guys are super busy, I don't want to pull you away from anything 15:38:33 They will be doing a reflection paper that we'll ask them to share back with the community as well. 15:38:35 jadudm: I suppose I should send a wind-down summary to the class list after class today? 15:38:38 * mchua nods 15:38:46 basically "what can we do from this side to help you proxy the wind-down well?" 15:38:50 Might be a good idea. 15:39:04 Short would be good (so they read it), and that sounds right. 15:39:10 By all means, volunteer us to help them with that process. 15:39:19 jadudm: ok. also worth pinging each team individually (private email) asking for wind-down on their specific projects, or will they be driving that? 15:39:20 That is, if you send it, point out that they can/should talk to us about how to close out their collab. 15:39:22 * mchua nods 15:39:24 can do 15:39:29 Drop it to fs102. 15:39:31 * mchua particularly concerned about the spins group 15:39:35 er, groups 15:39:38 Spins were hard. 15:39:38 * mchua nods 15:39:44 Yeah, sorry about that, scoped the problem *way* too big 15:39:50 I never managed to get SoaS running. 15:39:54 but it helped us see the horrible fuzziness of our current process. 15:39:55 I mean, I tried a lot of things. 15:39:56 sdziallas: ^ 15:40:03 jadudm: uh oh. okay, yeah, that might be... a.... problem 15:40:23 Aye. S'ok. Because I had some XOs, I was able to give a group or two machines, and they were able to at least experience the environment. 15:40:30 However, I have to write up some things about that. 15:40:36 As feedback to sdziallas and others. 15:40:41 * sdziallas waves, looks around. 15:40:50 jadudm: hullo! 15:40:56 It doesn't seem to be at a point that someone who isn't... well, running Linux and experienced with the command line can actually get this running easily. 15:41:02 * mchua nods 15:41:07 and mostly agrees, tbh 15:41:14 I had one or two students who really worked hard at it, to their credit, but we didn't get there. 15:41:24 So, Spins weren't a *bad* idea, they were more challenging than we expected. 15:41:30 ok - I think with the spins group I just have no idea what material they've been making 15:41:34 could use more firehoses of output from them 15:41:38 (Likewise, we expected live CDs to "just work" on every machine in the student's hands.) 15:41:43 for instance, i know one group interviewed a teacher who uses soas in her classroom 15:41:47 (who happens to be my aunt) 15:41:53 but I only saw that because I was in channel at the time 15:42:01 and that never made it to a mailing list, I don't think anyone knows that work has been done 15:42:05 etc 15:42:05 They' made very little, I expect... that is, the spin groups struggled the most, in part because they struggled to even use the software. 15:42:09 * mchua nods. 15:42:14 that would be useful to know too. 15:42:26 i mean, "help, we are being blocked" is a *great* thing to send to list, because then... we can... help fix it. 15:42:44 And we worked with them a fair bit locally, avoiding the normal feedback loop. That's a lesson learned in these mixed/community collabs: when problem solving is taking palce locally, it is invisible to the rest of the group. 15:42:49 * mchua nods. 15:43:04 Anyway. We're doing debrief before we should be doing debrief. 15:43:05 :) 15:43:09 * mchua nods 15:43:27 Feel free to drop a note to FS102, and I'll follow up as necessary. They're doing their video reflections, and their final reflections are due in roughly 1.5 weeks. 15:43:31 i'll send the "yay, community wrap-up!" email after class + after I take a look at what we (fedora-folks) know about the state of each project 15:43:35 can do. 15:43:40 thanks jadudm. anything else we can do for you folks? 15:43:51 * mchua will try to prep like a maniac for thurs especially, get a blog post up 15:44:57 not sure. send the email, see what happens. 15:45:00 we're mostly just keeping up. 15:45:34 * mchua nods. same. 15:45:40 ok, back to deliverables 15:45:45 * mchua waves, but around and pingable if needed 15:46:58 ok 15:47:16 gotta run...